TheGeneral

July 30th, 2013 at 4:46 PM ^

Yeah, I'm watching it more and this girl was hurt! Looking at how weak her knees were when she is resting against the speaker it's clear. She wouldn't think to feign weak in the knees at that moment. I'm getting seriously angry at the PD now since I don't expect better from Ohio.

4godkingandwol…

July 30th, 2013 at 4:49 PM ^

... I'd expect a 1 year suspension for striking a woman.  My guess is he'll get a 1-2 game suspension.  Without video evidence, OSU would make him wear two wrist bands.  We'll see what happens.  I'd be shocked if it's anything more than 1-2 games. 

MGoManBall

July 30th, 2013 at 4:55 PM ^

After trolling 11W the comment that sums up ALL of Ohio fans:

 

he will get at least 2 games!! When it comes to hitting and abusing women, Meyer dont mess around!!

 

Oh man, hit a girl and Meyer is going to come DOWN on you! You'll have to sit out the Buffalo game AND the San Diego State game!

/facepalm

B-Nut-GoBlue

July 30th, 2013 at 5:02 PM ^

What a dumb douche bag.  What a mighty, MAN he is, Carlos; he should be proud.  Also, what a bunch of jackasses in that bar, standing against the wall.

TheGeneral

July 30th, 2013 at 5:06 PM ^

I have to admit I checked out 11 warriors responses to this and that fan base is disgusting. I'm sure they have their good guys too but all I see is concern over football games. Sick

dahblue

July 30th, 2013 at 5:08 PM ^

Man, I've watched so much CCTV footage in my day (as a former hospitality guy).  Always hated it.  It never clearly showed what you want to see, but gives you a general idea.  

My takeaways...He stepped back toward her to give her a smack...and then ran off.  While not the beating initially reported, it's still a battery.  Even if he were a regular Joe, I don't know if charges would be pressed until the victim demanded.  Nonetheless, expect a one-game suspension.

You can hear Urban now, "While we are pleased that CPD has decided no charges are proper in this incident, we do not like the way that Carlos conducted himself.  We expect more from our young men and any violence against women shall not be tolerated.  As such, we will suspend him for our season opener against the vaunted University of Buffalo Bulls."

TheGhostofChappuis

July 30th, 2013 at 5:39 PM ^

The level of denial and delusion from OSU fans is just unbelievable. I guess when you have so few moral standards to begin with, it isn't that difficult to lose the rest in allegiance to a sports team.  Pathetic.

BlueTuesday

July 30th, 2013 at 5:55 PM ^

1. That looked like far more than a slap. 2. He was pointing his finger right in her face just prior to her attempting to slap him. 3. He had to lean in to make contact.

Yep, pretty much a punk in my my book. That slap wouldn't fly here in SW Michigan. He would have got his ass beat by about 5 dudes.

 

TheGeneral

July 30th, 2013 at 6:12 PM ^

It's really worse than all that. He invites himself up there, you see no motion from her inviting him. Granted we can't hear what she says but we can watch her actions. She moves as far back as she physically can until she is completely out of room. He ADVANCES up into her space into her ear. When a conversation clearly isn't going well that alone is an aggressive act. Things escalate and he sticks his finger in her face, every one of us knows that is an aggressive act. She only then RESPONDS with aggression in the form of a slap. He then turns around, ADVANCES and strikes her. People can down play it all they want calling it a slap since we can't see the contact. But 2 things are clear 

1)she was hurt

2)he showed aggression long before he struck her 

DirkMcGurk

July 30th, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^

Looks like your classic face palm. Now it is uncalled for and unacceptable, but the reaction by the girl and friends is your classic drunken college girl over reaction and sloppy crying.

That being said Urb has a policy that he thought so highly of that he painted it on a wall. He can set an example or pussy foot around. Example set would be to allow him to play all season, but no Michigan game or Championship Game or Bowl Game. 2 games against MAC schools don't cut it. If you do that then paint that wall Urb

Burning Beard

July 30th, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

Having worked security at horrible night clubs in my less fruitful years, I've probably seen this same incident play out about 5000 times. Hyde and the girl both acted like immature youths at a night club, mood altered by alcohol. She should not have slapped at him, and he should not have slapped back. I would think Hyde deserves some sort of punishment by their coaching staff, but police would not waste time with an issue like this at any club I worked at. It's not excuseable to strike at someone, but people acting like a real violent crime was committed here or, "THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN SW MICHIGAN" sound like a bunch of neck beards who haven't left mom's basement much. And this certainly didn't deserve the media attention it has received.

michelin

July 30th, 2013 at 7:42 PM ^

probably should judge cases of violence against women?

Also, if you can't see why this received so much media attention, you must be completely tone deaf about the context....Urban Meyer's history of more than forty arrests of over 30 players at UF, four cases occuring among his Ohio players with a day or two...the curiously dropped charges against Brionte Dunn for drug offenses that his girlfiend on video said he "lied about"...the quick reinstatement of at least 3 other Ohio players...not to mention Urban's past lack of curiosity or punishment for assaults, like the one that busted a guy's ear drum...possibly even case where a guy was shot in the head... and by a guy now charged with (perhaps multiple) murders.

Burning Beard

July 30th, 2013 at 7:55 PM ^

"So, you are saying essentially that a bouncer at a bar like you probably should judge cases of violence against women?"

No, the police should, and did in this case, and it's a rare day to see charges actually pressed unless there is some visible physical damage and we don't really have any evidence of that. No, he should have struck back at her, and no, she should not be held blameless for striking out at him in the first place.

I guess I don't care about Urban Meyer as much as everyone else on this board seems to. Trying to use case law regarding domestic violence below to justify why a prosecutor would move forward on this is so ignorant of the realities of law enforcement and the justice system I can't see this going anywhere with you, though.

michelin

July 30th, 2013 at 9:21 PM ^

Yet, the police action clearly suggested that they would have proceeded if the victim had pressed charges.  They waited for her to do so, then used her reluctance to justify not proceeding.  Does anyone seriously believe that, if she had pressed charges, the police would have said the assault was trivial, then dropped it?

No, they placed the reponsibility for the charges clearly on her.  Granted, that may be their usual procedure, but whether that should be their procedure is an issue worth discussing.  If she pressed charges against a key FB player in Columbus, she clearly could be subject not only to social ostracism and the character assassination already occuring on the net but also to more serious intimidation and possibly even violence,.  Many threats have been made against players that decommit from Ohio, announcers who criticize the team...and especially those who accuse the team of wrongdoing.  Ohio boards were asking where they could get the address of someone who reported evidence against Terrelle Pryor;  another said : "Snitches get stiches."

 

michelin

July 30th, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^

The woman that Hyde hit, originally told police she was assaulted, but did not know who the suspect was.  But it is now clear both  from the video and from multiple other witnesses that an assault occurred and who the suspect was..Also, there is precedent for relieving a victim of the responsibility of pursuing charges.

“Prosecutors in the past would routinely dismiss domestic assault cases upon the alleged victim's request. However, more recently, ..under a no-drop policy,the prosecutor will not dismiss (such  cases, since the victim may) continue to be intimidated …taking the decision out of the hands of the alleged victim thereby affords him or her additional protection from further abuse and intimidation.  (In such cases)  …. the prosecutor (can) obtain additional evidence for admission at trial in place of the alleged victim's testimony.”

Prince Lover

July 30th, 2013 at 9:14 PM ^

Pure speculation I know. But to me it looked like Hyde invaded her personal space, I didn't see any other guys going up on stage, maybe asked her to join his group or something (he was pointing over to his boys), she didn't want/like or was offended by his request. Being BMOC, maybe he wasn't used to be rejected and called her a tease or slut or something worse to which she took offense and took a swing. And its obvious what happens next.

Again, I know I'm filling in 99% with speculation but as a father of a 4 year old daughter, I know I'm over protective of her and very sensitive toward violence against women. So I admit I am biased. But that's what I took from watching the video.

Now I will also state that I hope my daughter would never put herself in that situation. To go to a bar where a stage is filled with nothing but girls dancing provocatively, and the victim was dancing so, in front of ogling, drunk young men/boys with their tongues hanging out, is not how I want my girl to have fun. I have no problems if she wants to go to a bar, dance and shake her fanny and get drunk. But don't get on a stage. I'm in no way saying the victim asked for it much like making a withdrawal at an ATM is asking to be robbed. But I'm just saying going to an ATM at 2 in the morning on a corner that is crowded with a bunch of guys with guns and knives isn't smart. Dancing provocatively in a bar on a stage in front of drunk guys with flashlights to better see you with isn't all that smart either, it's a little slimy.

DTfor3

July 30th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^

Sorry guys, I know the last thing you want is another "Ohio" fan on this blog, but I saw some people say that this "reeked of hometown justice" or something of the like and I would just like to tell you boys that the reason the girl dropped the charges was because both she and Hyde would be charged with misdemeanor assault had the case gone to court. And since she had no desire to be charged with assault, she dropped the charges against Hyde. So please don't insult the CPD or the girl by insinuating that they were bought. FWIW the consencus on 11W is that since this is a first time thing for Hyde, and he struck/pushed second he should miss 2-4 games.

TheGeneral

July 30th, 2013 at 11:10 PM ^

So we now know if you assault a woman and you're a starter 3 game suspension. If you have an alcohol offense and you're a bench guy you're gone. The circle is unbroken. And sickening. Anyone that watches that video and says she started it is a POS

sammylittle

July 31st, 2013 at 8:39 AM ^

Carlos go university of the Ohio state play football have sex not play school. Carlos tell girl have sex. She say no. Carlos mad try take girl be private. She fight Carlos so Carlos fight girl. Happen all the time in Columbus bar. Carlos keep doing this. Carlos like sex.