wolverine1987

July 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 AM ^

On eleven warrors guys are all "well goodbye National Title Hopes." Hyde had like a 1000 yards last year and is good, but hardly super dominant. Or maybe they don't have any depth?

mh277907

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:06 PM ^

He was a huge asset and by the end of the year last year he was playing like the best running back in the Big Ten. There is depth, though, with Rod Smith, Dunn and Ball. Smith will likely get the nod as he has shown glimpses of being a very good back but has had fumble issues. Dunn and Ball are both very young and unproven. It is also a possibility that Jordan Hall moves back to the true RB position from his hybrid role. If that happens, there would not be much of a talent drop off (if any) at the RB position but it takes a very dynamic player out of the hybrid position.

ijohnb

July 22nd, 2013 at 11:56 AM ^

That has to really suck hard for Ohio fans.  Imagine that Toussant or Green and Countess were dismissed the team today.   Would certainly dampen my week(month) a little bit.

alum96

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:10 PM ^

Shall we dispatch you to Columbus with tissues?  p.s. this is nothing like losing Green as he is a recruit that we have never seen in uniform or play a college game.  He could be a superstar, bust, or average.  Yes on Fitz or Blake.

Elwood

July 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 AM ^

How do all these kids get into so much trouble at bars? It seems like other athletes and students are fine in bars.

I remember in the ESPN 30 for 30, Broke, a psychologist said NFL players feel the need to attract attention to themselves in social settings (bars,clubs,parties) since they get so much attention on the field, yet play behind a mask. No one knows their face and it causes them to attract attention.

GoBlueInNYC

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^

Do football players get in trouble at a higher rate than the general student body, though?

It's easy for us to think of examples of players getting into drunken fights, but that could easily be the fault of the availability heuristic. That SI expose about football players getting arrested was brought up around here recently, which was definitely a situation of saying "look at how much trouble these guys get into!" But the numbers actually showed that they get arrested at a lower rate than their non-athlete peers, SI just completely misunderstood their own data.

GoBlueInNYC

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^

Have you seen any football players get in bar fights, though?

I'm guessing you don't have the numbers as to whether it happens more frequently with football players. Just that you hear about it when it happens because they're football players.

Blue in Yarmouth

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

I don't know. I'm not saying you're wrong, but without going to the data and just going off of what I see in the media in general that just doesn't ring true to me. There are a lot of sports in university where the players are well known and I can't tell you the last time I heard of a bunch of Hockey, baseball or basketball players getting arrested. They are well known and would generate a buzz I would think if they got in the same trouble we hear about with football players, and yet you never hear about those players in trouble with the law (well,  probably not never, but far less frequently). 

M-Wolverine

July 22nd, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^

for throwing molotov cocktails-

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-wrestlers-accused-molotov-cocktail-possession-suspended-indefinitely

And I don't hink it's that rare to hear about hockey players getting into fights if you're around a campus. (Heck, it was kind of a big deal up at MSU).  But you're also dealing in a numbers game. A football team has what, 5 or 6 times the number of players that a basketball team does?  So you're bound to hear about it about 5 or 6 times as often.

Elwood

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:34 PM ^

I'm not taking data when I'm at the Blue Lep.

And unless you count a fight between Big Will and a car's hood, I have not seen one at Michigan. Michigan players were always fine when I saw them out (especially after Hoke).

On a side note, say what you want about RR, but I and other students noticed a significant difference between players' attitudes after Hoke both in and out of athletic facilities. I attribute the above paragraph to this.

GoBlueInNYC

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:47 PM ^

My point is that you saying that you never witnessed any bar fights while you were in college doesn't mean anything about the relative rates at which football players v. non-players get in trouble while in college.

Prince Lover

July 22nd, 2013 at 3:20 PM ^

If you were a little older, you might have been around to see Brian Griese and his run in with the scorekeepers staff and subsequently the scorekeeper's window he shattered.
Believe it or not, it does happen to our beloved wolverines too.

dahblue

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^

You may know better than I, but I recall the SI stat being the arrest rate of NFL football players (1.9%) vs. the arrest rate among all Americans (4.9%, yeah I googled it).  As lots of NFL players were getting arrested, that "all Americans" stat seemed to be used to say, "See, they aren't so bad."  BUT...I'd say that the arrest rate among college educated (or, at least partially college educated Americans) should have been the proper figure for comparison.

In any event, it was in 2011 that SI did the story on college football players (googled that too) and they're getting arrested at a 7% clip.  I highly doubt that 7% of non-athlete college students are getting arrested.

GoBlueInNYC

July 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

There's a bunch of links to take-downs of the SI piece under the second heading of this UV from when SI released their investigation: LINK

And to pull out the quote that Brian pulled out for his piece to illustrate SI's dodgy numbers work:

Of those seven percent, "nearly 60 percent…were guilty or paid some penalty". If we assume "nearly 60 percent" means 57% (shockingly, the actual numbers and survey methods aren’t given), then 4% of players on top 25 football teams have been actually convicted of, or plead guilty to, a crime.

The number of average college students with the same criminal record?According to this article from Corvallis, Oregon’s Daily Barometer, 3.45%. That’s right: Your typical college football player is one-half of one percent more likely to have a criminal conviction. To put that in perspective, a team of 85 players has half a person more convicted criminals on it than a sample of 85 students drawn randomly. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.

dahblue

July 22nd, 2013 at 1:13 PM ^

I think the figure that'd be most interesting (should it exist) is the athlete v non-athlete percentage of arrests while on campus (or, once admitted to the school).  Also violent v non-violent crimes would be an interesting stat.  Of course, a wee bit of judgment can go a long way in recruiting certain kids.  A certain rapper once committed to MSU comes to mind.

GoBlueInNYC

July 22nd, 2013 at 1:20 PM ^

Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of interesting ways to look at this kind of thing. I don't have access to that kind of data off hand, but it would be interesting to delve a bit more into the numbers. My first thought was whether that ~60% conviction rate is normal or maybe are football players getting arrested then released with an unofficial slap on the wrist.

tbeindit

July 22nd, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^

To be fair though, I think you have to remember that these athletes are in an almost completely different situation.  I think what you're saying is true, but remembering that these individuals have a ton of potential, are receiving some tremendous benefits, and have access to a boatload of resources separate them from your average student.  My shock at these situations hasn't been about the fact that a college student gets into a bar fight, but a college student that is in such a great situation does this to themselves.  This isn't as much related to your point anymore, but I just truly believe even your bench guy has so much more to lose than your average student.

Scarlatina

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:00 PM ^

It probably should be mentioned that these were unrelated incidents. Hyde is being investigated for a battery that occured in Columbus at 2AM Saturday.

Roby was charged with disorderly conduct early Sunday morning in Bloomington, IN. Apparently he was asked to leave the bar, and refused. The bouncers got involved and the police were called.

bronxblue

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:02 PM ^

Funny thing is that I've seen some Buckeye fans talk about these loses as minimal because they have lots of good young talent.  As someone who lived through lots of "potential" young stars , I'd caution the Ohio nation of getting too worked up over a bunch of kids who ran for 6 ypc against UCF, Toledo, and UAB.

SAMgO

July 22nd, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^

Obviously a sad situation for all involved. I don't have the arrest numbers for UM vs. ohio or Hoke vs. Meyer for the past five years or so but if anyone does I'm sure it'd be very telling. Buckeye's gonna buckeye yet again.