Can Coach Beilein Survive Another Season Like This?

Hopefully not

Has anybody paid attention to the recruits for the next two years?

Simpson looks like he can play right away, but not sure about the other 3.  We are one over next year and full the following year.

Yes Mo Wagner could improve dramatically, but the other bigs appear to be what they are.

As it stands right now, We have no additional recruits coming in for two years!  Poole looks promising in 2017, but other than Simpson, next years class is unlikely to help right away.

The team we have now is the team we have for the next two years, barring somebody gets "cut" or Davis plays somewhere else for a year.

MSU is loaded and potentially getting the number one recruit. Beilein is tremendous x and o coach, but I think next year is his make or break year.

The reason for threads like these is that we thought the direction of our program was to become a contender every season. We have definitely taken a few steps back and the recruiting isn't in a level that gives us hope. We have zero elite recruits coming in to a roster that desperately needs athleticism. And what has been Beilein's hallmark, player development, completely fizzled this season. After all we heard about Dawkins in the off season, he just didn't show it during the year. Walton, Irvin, and others didn't look any better this year than last.

I really like JB. We've seen what he can accomplish with the right players. That said, I can't say this team under or over acheived. It's probably what we all expected if we were honest with ourselves. 

What's frustrating is to watch a team like Butler or Xavier or Gonzaga or Wichita State turn a one year wonder into years of success. Perhaps I'm a little jaded, but when I was in school, we won a national championship in basketball. We were top five every year. Then there were a few good years after that, if you all recall. I know we had down times, but Michigan has a storied basketball history.

So, what are we missing here? What is wrong? Is it bad recruiting or bad defensive coaching or something else? These problems can be fixed and they have to be fixed. (TCU football used to have a terrible offense, after all.) Next year will not be great either, but the year after, there has to be a step up. I really do not want to push out JB, but I recall someone saying something about a meritocracy. The crazy thing is, when I started writing this, I wanted to say that there's no way we should get rid of our coach. He should stay as long as he likes. 

There isn't a man coaching any sport in collegiate athletics that he holds in higher regard than Coach Beilein. His son has attended basketball camps in which Coach has been present, and the way he works with the kids, and the way in which he carries himself impresses him immensely. He's everything still good and pure about college basketball.

I'm ready for a change. The Michigan basketball program should be a perennial top 25ish/NCAA tournament team. I don't expect national championships every 5 years but I didn't expect to have fallen off the face of the planet just a couple of seasons removed from the national championship game (with the future looking much like the present). Bottom line is we need a coach that can recruit better, year in and year out (I think it's clear now why so many of our players received so few big time offers).

Some people don't understand the question. The OP asks can Coach Beilein survive another season like this one and some respond, "No! He shouldn't be fired, he has every major contributor coming back next year!" If he has every major contributor coming back AND has another season like this, I don't think it would bode well for Beilein.

The confluence of events for Belein. Early years gritty mcgrit teams get point guard Darius Morris who excels and leaves after 2 years. Get T Hardaway, T Burke, they blow up and leave early. Get Stauskas, Robinson, McGrath, Levert, all blow up and two leave early. Levert probably leaves early if healthy last year. Top 50 recruits Irvin, Walton, Chatman come in with top 150 big Donnal and none of them blow up into nba caliber guys. Add the injuries to Levert and Spike and no roster room for more recruits, and UM is stuck with guys who will be here 4 years and likely reached their ceiling. I think this just needs to play itself out with senior improvement and roster re-vamping over time. I do wonder if monte Morris would have been a better fit than d Walton. I like Walton, but he has a ceiling.

1.) I hate the idea of Coach Beilein being fired. 2.) I don't feel like having the same old argument about his record, but I'll say this: what he brings off the court would make him very hard to fire even if next year is somehow a carbon copy of this one. 3.) The team could have the same record next year with the future nonetheless feeling much brighter. Xavier Simpson could look like a future star with guys like Wagner, Wilson, and Chatman showing major improvement.

I've said it before and I will say it again. It's not THAT this team is losing, it's HOW badly this team looks in losing.

That being said, firing Beilein is not the answer. Anyone who says so is drunk.

Recruiting in college basketball is dirty as hell as this program found out two decades ago...

We are missing out narrowly on some 4/5 star guys but the program is not in shambles.

I don't want to trade a few years of success and a possible title for probation and under JB that won't happen.

The axe is going to come down on the Kentucky's of the world in the next few years.

Give me 1-2 deep runs every 5-6 years, consistent tournament appearances, and an occasional conference title but keep the program clean and I am fairly happy.

He graduates his players, they love him and the university and he does things the right way.

Anyone laying these last two seasons at his feet just isn't very smart. Outside of Kentucky and a handful of other programs, no one can survive the early departures and injuries this program sustained.

Lmfaoooooo

In a perfect world, yesterday's Senior Day would have featured five seniors leading the team to victory. In the real world, it featured none.

It's unfortunate, but it seems that Beilein hasn't been able to recover from the total loss of that class. His recruiting since that class hadn't brought in any true leaders. The signees have all either turned into solid role players or duds. And he's unfortunately had too many near-misses with regards to big-timers. All this has resulted in mediocre results on the court. I fear that next year's returning players aren't going to deliver anything better, and the incoming class will have to step up BIG time if there's going to be any improvement of significance.

Archie Miller!!!

I think beilein is here for a while. It's tough. He's a great guy. And I'm no expert about bball but it seems like his offense scares the really great recruits away. The "Lebron" type of player. Athletic/slashers. Now a guy like Steph Curry might seem more likely to embrace it. Someone that has built their game around perimeter shooting.
I'm not sure Beilein is crooked enough to get the inner city too 50 baller type kids.
Sad, but unfortunately TRUE.

Good god. I went to Michigan and all but we aren't the university of chicago in athletics. It's not enough to be ethical and get blown out 4 straight times by our instate rival. I'll coach the team for 5k and make sure everybody has a 3.4 GPA if that's where we're headed.

the fact is he really HAS to improve Michigan's recruiting.  The talent in this league is too high for us to get by with either project-type or plan b/c guys.  How many elite players has he pulled in in the last 3 classes.  Basically none.  You can argue about Chatman, but so far most people would agree he is trending toward being a bust.  I don't know what it will take.  Maybe he needs to change his policy about no offers until a player visits for a start.  One thing that is obvious is that talented bigs avoid us like the plague.  Beilein can only blame himself there.  He hardly ever plays more than one 4 or 5 type player at once.  Will he ever change that philosophy?  Seems doubtful.  But without the right mix of players to run his system, Michigan is going to continue to be exploited badly in the paint.  And that will continue to hurt our outside game as well.  Other teams just shut down Robinson as soon as they figured out how to defend him.

So, Beilein will probably keep his job.  But Warde Manuel is going to need to have a conversation with Coach B at some point to address the problems.  Not getting into the NCAA tournament or finishing in 8th place can only be tolerated so long.  

tired and frustrated to me. I think there may be some other things going on for him. Regardless, I think he's also frustrated by this team. Walton has no command of the offense and Irvin isn't Stauskas or Caris. MAAR might take a step next year but he's not shown that he sees the floor very well either. I am beyond certain that Beilein takes responsibility for Walton's lack of development. They were going to rely heavily on Spike this year though to cover that up.

Before we get too carried away, who are the reasonable coaching targets that would be an upgrade?

I admit I'm not a good college bball authority, but correct me if I'm wrong: wasn't this a crazy year across the board for pretty much EVERY team? And didn't we get hit with the injury bug pretty hard? So isn't this kind of questioning maybe perhaps possibly a wee bit premature? Hell, maybe we can hire Duke's coach - I hear they might fire him because he's having an off-year. /s

I love the man and respect all he's done but he needs to make adjustments in his plan. If things don't change next year I think we have to go in a different direction. That said, I hope things change.

It's not the number of losses to the top teams that bother me, it's the fact that we got blown out by double digits in them. We can't have elite players and elite defense every year, but yeesh we didn't look like we could even compete in some of the losses.

I have on Beilein is that he didnt get the recruiting "Bump" after the national championship run...the talent has been meh....Does the Nike deal change this moving forward?

I see a lot that the lack of seniors is an issue, but really it is the loss of two major contributors. It doesn't really matter what class they are in. There was a plan to have two of our best players play, but instead they don't and can't be replaced till next year. It's not a young issue, but rather a personnel issue.

the answer is NO

It depends on recruiting.....if Coach B pulls in a great class, he will be given time. If not, he's on a short leash. This team has some talent but it doesn't look like it......no consistent D, almost ever, so when O falls short, we have no way to fight back.

Scheme seems to be an issue but the right recruits will paper over schematic defficiencies. Just haven't had them lately.

I'd want Belien out ASAP, so we have a proven AD who can hire the right coach for Michigan.

This is no slight to our next AD, but Hackett is a proven commodity after hiring Harbaugh.

should he, no.

Anything can happen in March... I'm glad our team isnt filled with some of the attitudes on this board. We arent out of it yet... Go Blue

But I really think he needs to tweek things. I feel this teams biggest issue all year has been no leader. Irvin and Walton are great players, but they don't really scream LEADER. What is even worse I just don't see a Leader on the team. Maybe MAAR can step up and grab that roll, but it is a big maybe.