umichfutball

January 20th, 2018 at 12:48 AM ^

The ironic thing about the “no official believed it was happening” statement is that the victim impact statements are proving that statement so true. The courageous women coming forward and stating that they informed people at MSU it was happening and no one believed them

MRoseBowl89

January 20th, 2018 at 12:34 PM ^

I agree, the officials are going to look more and more foolish as time goes by not taking responsibility and dealing with this travesty.  These young women and their mothers in some cases are speaking out with courage.  This happened.  It's not something you can sweep under the rug.  Terrible. Terrible.  

Day of reckoning is coming.

crg

January 20th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^

I would suggest the OP revise the title. Just saying "The Times" does not immediately equate to the NYT for many (most?) people. Nearly every region has a "... Times" publication (as well as the large UK paper actually called "The Times") and, since this is not a NY-centric site or fan base (despite the seemingly pervasive opinion that NYC is the focal point of human civilization), a little disambiguation in the title would help. End rant.

NGoBlue

January 20th, 2018 at 12:49 AM ^

This is beyond sad...the fact that MSU hasn't made changes yet is disgusting. How can they listen to these testimonies and not do anything? Jesus Christ. What is wrong with the world we live in today.

Dennis

January 20th, 2018 at 1:04 AM ^

This is pure speculation, but my suspicion is that they're doubling down because they could have done something in 2014, but didn't see enough evidence and dropped it. It truly is a difficult situation to be in, but if it happens on your watch, you're responsible, even if you didn't see it with your own eyes.

Dennis

January 20th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^

Yeah, I can't say for sure how I would react to that pressure, but I'm in tune with my values enough to reasonably say that I would admit "I saw the complaints, I read the report, and I didn't think there was enough evidence to substantiate the claims... I made a horrible mistake and I've failed in my responsibilities. I'm stepping down as school President, and will assist in a volunteer capacity to see justice served".

gruden

January 20th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^

The problem for MSU is that by doing something like that, they admit culpability and are on the hook for a shit-ton of liability money.  At the end of the day, this is all about money, and a lot of it.  If it wasn't, they probably would have already apologized, resigned, and moved on. 

They don't want to pay the bill that's coming, so they're circling the wagons and holding on to try and get out with limited damage.  Probably won't work.

xtramelanin

January 20th, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^

to any suit.  not saying it will be bullet proof, but it will be a high hurdle to overcome.  in michigan for a gov't entity to be held liable for most matters, in the absense of intentional misconduct (which i'm sure they will allege), they would have to be shown as the sole cause of grossly negligent conduct.  in this case nassar is the first proximate cause and MSU's culpability is secondary.  i would have to research if there is some exception for a series of acts like this, but off the top of my head i can't think of one. 

the law comes out of a case from antrim county where a building inspector was allegedly on the take from various builders and just mailing in his 'approvals' for the inspections.  they had some big problems with the houses and antrim county escaped liability b/c they were just the inspector, not the actual builder(s). 

MSU still has exposure to some serious numbers, but the law in michigan probably affords them a 'discount'.  we can hate it all we want, but it is what it is.  

Gameboy

January 20th, 2018 at 1:37 AM ^

How could a BOT not see what kind of harm this is doing?

Leaving somebody like LAKS in place saying "nothing has been proven" is like saying as long as you have plausible deniability, you are safe.

Countless children have been molested. Under your watch, at your institution. It does not matter what you knew or didn't. You and everyone down the line to the molester needs to be fired.

Otherwise you are promoting future behavior where people will not dig in when somebody reports something like this again, because as long as you have plausible deniability, you will not be implicated. Why would anyone put out their neck in that situation?

This whole thing was allowed to go on this long because NO ONE has any empathy for the victims. No one thought, what would I do if I was in the victim's shoes? All they ever thought was how does this affect me and my colleague and just walked away from it. And today's announcement just furthers that where they put the institution ahead of the victims.

It is just sickening. Why do we have to share stage with these degenerates? Why can't we just kick PSU and MSU to the curves and let them form their own Pedo-Conference?

1WhoStayed

January 20th, 2018 at 2:42 AM ^

The Times isn't calling for her resignation. This article is simply a report of others who have. 

Did you mean that the Times is recirculating the story or ading a call(s) for her resignation?

m1817

January 20th, 2018 at 6:33 AM ^

The NYT article is not an editorial calling for Simon's resignation but with the title "Calls Grow for Michigan State University President to Resign Over Nassar Case", it is pouring gasoline on the burning couch.

xtramelanin

January 20th, 2018 at 7:31 AM ^

for the first time ever the world could see what was actually happening literally live in their living rooms.  you had schwartzkopf and colin powell giving updates with videos showing the bad guys getting dusted.  that information made baghdad bob's misinformation so much more fun.  you knew he was totally full of hoo-ha. 

gruden

January 20th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^

Damn.  I put that gymanastics coach on exactly the same level as Nassar, she enabled him, she should go to jail too.

And to think, if they had listened to the young woman's complaints in '97 how many hundreds of young women would have been spared. 

Two universities, same problem - and both in the B1G!  Man what does that say about us?  Midwestern values aren't looking too good right now.

You Only Live Twice

January 20th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^

Because Klages is a selfish monster.  The timeline is instructive.  Klages' pal Larry was the team doctor for the '96 US Gymnastics team.  Reflected prestige and glory.  No was Klages going to let any gymnast get in the way of her desire for being associated with US Gymnastics.  Larissa Boyce complained in 1997 and I don't know how MSU will escape liability for the actions of their employee.  Klages is also personally liable for civil damages, and was the accessory to the Nassar crimes.  It is sickening how Larissa was made to feel at fault and in her words, hopped right back on the table to endure some extra special rough treatment by Nassar with Klages right there.  I wonder how many infections the girls contracted after Nassar's treatments.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were many other would-be victims who were miraculously healed after a single visit with Nassar in order to escape further "treatments."  Recall the victim who stated that she knew something was wrong the first time, told her disbelieving mother, who sent her back for a second appointment.  The girl screamed when he tried to get his filthy hands near her genitals.  She screamed at the top of her lungs and Nassar dropped her as a patient.  I believe he was very careful and deliberate choosing victims, even as yet another victim testfied, he found out early on how easy it was to manipulate young girls and their parents.  He called it "pelvic floor" treatment and it was sanctioned by MSU, and the US Team as well.   If he couldn't manipulate and intimidate, he just moved on to the next victim.  The sheer numbers alone, instead of exposing him earlier, provided more cover.  If you're taking your kid to a "renowned" doctor with Olympics prestige, and all these other kids and parents are there too, it runs against many peoples' natures to scream "Something is wrong here!"  Add in to the mix that young girls are too often perceived as being emotional or in general less credible than boys. It's hogwash but it's there.  No, MSU, it doesn't matter if you really never knew what Klages was doing (and other staffers).  It's an indictment of the organizational culture at the very minimum - and it's much worse.  You can't be the one in charge and insulate yourself from your employees' actions.  If you didn't have the proper controls in place, Simon, that is on you.

People making one tenth of her salary could have done it better.   Burn it to the ground.

Y-UM

January 20th, 2018 at 7:28 AM ^

First, as others have pointed out, this is a NEWS article, reporting on calls for Simon's resignation, and is not a NY Times opinion. Unlike much of the web, newspapers distinguish between articles reporting on facts and context of events; 2) editorials representing the opinion of editors; and 3) opinion pieces, like editorials expressing individual writers' opinions.

Perhaps more interesting, the Times coverage mostly ignores Michigan State. The linked article is an adjunct to the main article, which focuses on charges against USA Gymnastics and the US Olympic Committee. This main article only mentions Michigan State once, in a brief paragraph toward the end.

 

You Only Live Twice

January 20th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

We are seeing the MSU attorneys' playbook in action.  They can't do anything to stop the victims statements, so they wait while it plays out, however long that takes.  It's beyond ugly and they know they can't do a damn thing to minimize the ugliness.  Instead, shift the focus to USA Gynmastics as much as possible, seek to minimize MSU culpability, and deny knowledge to the fullest extent possible.  Certainly, this could backfire, and ultimately I think it will.  Civil lawsuits will be the next phase of litigation, and the victims having come forward, are not going to hold back in the future.  Circle the wagons all they want; the arrows aren't going to stop.

 

 

The Fan in Fargo

January 20th, 2018 at 7:40 AM ^

150 women reported him? I'm not going to take the time to read into all of this but Jesus Christ. Once the second and third complaints came in I'd say it was time to throw all resources at the situation and burn it to the ground.

This is just gross. Gross doctor with gross MSU women looks and personality wise. Trying not to puke here.

Longballs Dong…

January 20th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

you're terrible. you somehow don't know the story, admit you won't read it, make false assumptions about the situation and then somehow claim MSU women aren't attractive as though that is both true and somehow makes this worse. I'm sure if you're daughter was assaulted, you'd love to hear, "yeah but she's not even hot.".

old98blue

January 20th, 2018 at 10:38 AM ^

This is PSU all over again but with female victims and I can't help but believe this is the reason this doesn't seem to be receiving the outcry that PSU received. This is also on the heels of the rapes committed by football players that Dantonio brought on campus one having a past history of a sexual assault. This is an institutional issue and they need to take a look at making changes. You can't blame a coach when one his players does something wrong but you can when there is a history of issues previously and they still bring them to campus. Or you turn a blind eye to reports that one of yours is being accused of wrong doing and you choose to ignore the victims to protect your own

 

ST3

January 20th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

It is time (possibly well past time) for MSU's faculty to join the student newspaper and others' call for her to resign.
The Times article does mention the football team's issue. If these items start getting tied together by the general population, they will have to clean house of every one associated with this.

MGOBONG

January 20th, 2018 at 2:57 PM ^

Recognizing Myofascial Pelvic Pain in the Female Patient with Chronic Pelvic Pain
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3492521/

 

Myofascial pelvic pain is a major component of CPP in women that is often not properly identified by health care providers. Attempting to reproduce symptoms in the woman who is experiencing CPP by performing a brief musculoskeletal screen and pelvic floor muscle assessment during the medical examination can help establish if a myofascial pain component exists. Chronic pelvic pain affects women of all ages and every socioeconomic class, and occurs amidst a myriad of physical and psychological conditions making a cure challenging. However, successfully treating the MFPP component of CPP is feasible with a comprehensive approach. In addition to addressing the medical, psychological, and sexual concerns, the women’s health practitioner should refer women to a pelvic floor physical therapist who can provide effective treatments, such as skillful manual therapy, biofeedback, and training in self-care strategies to reduce MFPP and improve associated complaints. An interdisciplinary team in which nurses play a critical role is essential for identifying and successfully treating MFPP in women with CPP.

 

 

Internal Pelvic Muscle Assessment

To proceed with the intra-vaginal exam, change gloves to avoid any contamination from the external exam. Palpating the right hand side of a woman’s pelvic floor is easiest using the right hand and visa versa to palpate the left side by using the left hand. Initial entry into the vaginal vault may itself be painful or anxiety provoking. Prepare the woman with what to expect and maintain eye contact throughout the exam. Proceed slowly and use plenty of lubricant to ease a woman’s discomfort. Techniques such as gently depressing the tissues lateral to the clitoris using a pincer grasp with thumb and index finger to widen the introitus, or asking the woman to bulge or bear down gently during finger insertion, as if “blowing bubbles with the vagina” helps to slacken the superficial muscles and prevent muscle gripping during the intra-vaginal exam. The practitioner may ask the woman to “let go” to ensure she is not guarding during the exam, and imagery such as “let your muscles be heavy” or “let your muscles relax like you would let your shoulders drop,” may also be helpful.

First, specific muscle layers are identified by landmarks corresponding to the index or middle finger used during the examination. Using the hymenal ring as the reference point, layer 1 corresponds to depth of the nail bed or first knuckle of the finger that is associated with the location of the bulbocavernosus, ischiocavernosus, superficial transverse perineal, and external anal sphincter muscles. Middle knuckle depth corresponds to layer 2 that is associated with the location of the urethra muscles superiorly and deep transverse perineal muscles inferiorly. Beyond the middle knuckle and up to the length of the examining finger is the deepest layer 3 musculature that is associated with the location of the levator ani, coccygeous, pirifomis and laterally the obturator internus muscles (Wallace & Herman, 2009).

Next, pelvic floor muscle tone, trigger points and pain are assessed. Although surface electromyography is the gold standard for objectively measuring pelvic floor muscle activity, digital examination can be very useful in detecting increased muscle tone. In women with moderate to severe hypertonicity, the examiner immediately notices introital tightness around the examining finger and tension or resistance in the muscles. The same “around-the-clock” methodthat was used for the external palpation is used for the internal exam, and the flat palpation is employed. Palpate superficial, intermediate, and deep layer muscles according to depth of finger in relation to the hymenal ring. Gauge the force used so it is acceptable to the woman. Tender or trigger points may be found anywhere in the muscle bellies but may especially be present laterally along the insertion points at the arcus tendineus levator ani (Butrick, 2009). Often the examiner will reproduce the woman’s referred symptoms, such as suprapubic pain, urinary urgency, or even her rectal or clitoral pain.

You Only Live Twice

January 20th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^

Not getting the relevance of posting the procedure detail for a pelvic exam of that type.  Nassar shouldn't have been doing pelvic exams.   If a girl reported chronic pelvic pain that would require evaluation from a different doctor such as her family doc or ob-gyn, and they would know whether to order lab tests etc.