Jack Daniels

June 20th, 2012 at 10:13 PM ^

If the coaches think he is good enough, so do I. I wonder if they will continue to recruit McQuay and Fuller, or if they stop going after all DB prospects.


June 20th, 2012 at 10:15 PM ^

We don't have many spots left, and I would rather see that spot go to one of the many 4/5 stars we're in on tbh... but nearly every time I've doubted Hoke I've been wrong, so I should probably stop. If Hoke thinks he's worthy of an offer, so do I. So long as we still end up with Treadwell I'll be a happy man.


June 20th, 2012 at 10:47 PM ^

There were 4 5-stars and 4 2-stars in the first round of the last NFL draft, and ~50 other 2 stars scattered throughout the rest of the draft.  Stars mean the kid is probably a good athlete AND has gotten exposure.  I have faith this coaching staff knows what they want.


June 20th, 2012 at 10:57 PM ^

Good grief: the fallacy of this argument has been demonstrated numerous times, here and elsewhere online.  Depending on the site, there are ~25-50 five-star players in every class.  Compare that with the hundreds of two- and three-star players in each class, and maybe it will occur to you why your "reasoning" isn't worth its weight in manure.


June 20th, 2012 at 10:28 PM ^

I don't know about all of you, but it seems like this would have been a guy that we could have offered in October and gotten. If he is someone who REALLY wanted to come here, couldn't we have waited to see if McQuay or Fuller panned out before offering?


I guess we shouldn't doubt Hoke, and there is some history of un-heralded guys doing very well here, so this could turn out to be the best thing we could have done. Still an interesting decision.

panthera leo fututio

June 21st, 2012 at 9:30 AM ^

You make an argument against coincidence, when it appears that you're trying to make an argument for causality. The fact that the Michigan coaching staff tends to like the same guys that recruiting services do shouldn't be taken to imply that the Michigan coaching staff gives a shit about recruiting services.

(And yes, I know you say "chicken and egg and all", but acknowledging the misapplication of causal reasoning doesn't mean that you should do it anyway.)


June 20th, 2012 at 10:45 PM ^

Count me among the confused.  Are Hoke and Co. really that intent on filling up this year's class?  Might not this scholarship be better used next year?


June 20th, 2012 at 10:47 PM ^

His video sure doesn't look like a 2 star.  What I don't understand is the lack of offers.  He plays for one of the better teams in NC.  Strange.

The staff got to watch him play for three days, so he must be legit.



June 20th, 2012 at 11:08 PM ^

11 minutes ago he responded to a statement:


We were actually talking about a few rumors that you'd committed to ?! He just mistyped the name



June 20th, 2012 at 10:59 PM ^

We're supposedly taking 24 commits, so with this commitment, 2 spots are left available. Who do these spots go to? We're in the top 3 for 4 very dominant recruits; Fuller, Treadwell, Mathis, and McQuay III. Either the coaches are expecting additional attrition to get to 25 to be able to take 3 of these guys or they don't feel confident in their chances with them, so they only expect to get 1 or 2 of them. Which begs the question: why not wait to see what happens with these recruits, before sending an offer out to a developmental prospect, or bank the scholarship for 2014?

However, the coaches have intensely scrutinized his play by all accounts and he seems to have been met with their approval, which should be fine for all of us. But why then, is the recruit so lowly ranked if he goes to a prominent school and is supposedly so very good?

Just some thoughts. I personally find it puzzling, but I assume the coaches know better than me, so I'll just follow their lead.


June 20th, 2012 at 11:11 PM ^

Many English speakers use "begs the question" to mean "raises the question," or "impels the question," and follow that phrase with the question raised, for example, "this year's deficit is half a trillion dollars, which begs the question: how are we ever going to balance the budget?" Philosophers and many grammarians deem such usage incorrect. Academic linguist Mark Liberman recommends avoiding the phrase entirely, noting that because of shifts in usage in both Latin and English over the centuries, the relationship of the literal expression to its intended meaning is unintelligible and therefore it is now "such a confusing way to say it that only a few pedants understand the phrase."


June 20th, 2012 at 11:40 PM ^

"I could care less" is a proper phrase, improperly used, "for all intensive purposes" is a phrase that doesn't make sense in a ll but a few cases, and "irregardless" isn't a word either. Would it appease the grammar gods if the phrase was used as such, "it begs for the question, ...."? I didn't take the time to read through his paper, but I'm inclined to disagree with you. The phrases you cited either aren't words or are illogical. "it begs for the question" seems to be a perfectly acceptable phrase for use in passing conversation. If it makes you feel better, know that I don't use the phrase when writing papers of an academic nature.

panthera leo fututio

June 21st, 2012 at 7:22 AM ^

HOWEVA, the case against using "begs the question" in its colloquial sense is that there are countless ways of saying the same thing without also invoking a technical philosophical term for an entirely different concept.

For example, you could alternatively say: "raises the question", "prompts the question", "makes me really, really want to ask the question", "reliably precipitates the question in the minds of all who contemplate the issue", etc.


June 20th, 2012 at 11:14 PM ^

  1. It's possible the coaches know more about attrition than we do. Not to open speculation on any specific players, but with the killer recruiting going on at the moment, there must be a couple players looking hard at the depth chart and maybe not liking what they see.
  2. He'll get a ratings boost if he has a committable Michigan offer, or at least I'd be surprised if he didn't (not that I'm someone that anyone should listen to on recruiting matters).


June 20th, 2012 at 11:47 PM ^

That the coaches must be expecting some additional attrition. The Big Ten does put a limit of 25 recruits per year, with an allowance for 28 with early enrollees, so they can't really expand the class past 24 though. I figure they'll boost him up to a 3 star, but it'd be pretty cool if we saw an Ondre Pipkins' style rise.

NOLA Wolverine

June 20th, 2012 at 11:07 PM ^

Did all of the coaches in that kid's league get to gother and decide throwing up jump balls in his direction was the best way to go about playing this kid? Seems good enough on film, he's got the tools to make an impact, and apparently he was a gamer these past three days.

This might be one of the most under the radar pick ups by a team with the #1 recruiting class though. His Youtube film has ~200 hits (I'd bet a lot came in the past hour too) and he hired one of those recruiting agencies. Typically you end up at a small school when you turn to those services.  


June 20th, 2012 at 11:17 PM ^

Per Tremendous:

Steve Lorenz ‏@TremendousUM
Channing said he was going to wait a week or so, but after talking to his mother and getting her blessing, he will commit to Michigan.

Welcome aboard Channing!

I'm curious to hear more about him when he commits.  Apparently he dominated camp, and if the coaches want him in maize and blue, then I do too.