PhillipFulmersPants

January 9th, 2013 at 10:35 PM ^

He won at GVSU and Cinci with his players.

B) How does winning, regardless of who recruited the players, impugn a guy's coaching capabilities?  Is the jury still out on Brady Hoke because he hasn't stayed in one place long enough to play with a roster of 100% his guys? Perhaps. What about Jim Harbaugh? With 3 years at SDSU and 4 at Stanford, coaching with others players, was it dumb of the 49ers to hire him? 

Kelly's not Larry Coker. He's won at all 4 stops. And in his case, unlike a Coker, he's elevated the programs he took over (CMU, Cinci, and now ND). I think we have good evidence it's not a coincedence or just luck of the roster, given his track record.  

Also, we don't assess NFL coaches like that.  "To be fair, Jim Harbaugh is winning in SF with some players left over from old staff... To be fair, we can't really say Chuck Pagano and Bruce Arians can coach even though the Colts made the playoffs, because a lot of the roster was left over from that Jim Caldwell 0-16 team."  

Kelly''s an ass. People don't like him. I get it. I'm not a fan either. But it's not hard for me to imagine why an NFL GM or owner might think, "Hmmn, we should bring this guy in and at least talk to him." 

 

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R Kelly

January 10th, 2013 at 12:32 PM ^

That was my point.  The only thing that argument is relevant for is recruiting, which doesn't matter in the NFL.  I added the last sentence to point out that he is pretty good at recruiting anyway, so it doesn't make sense to criticize him on those grounds as a coach on either level.  

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Victor Hale II

January 9th, 2013 at 8:58 PM ^

He left the country after his interview? Nice try, but he'll have to find a more advanced form of transportation if he wants to beat out Dantonio for recruits. Where's the threat?

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mGrowOld

January 9th, 2013 at 9:07 PM ^

I dunno.  He's proly just watching the Chip Kelly v Browns & Eagles and how the end result was simply a nice, fat raise in Oregon.  My guess is he'll use the leverage from their "mutual interest" to double his pay in South Bend.

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Butterfield

January 9th, 2013 at 9:08 PM ^

Awesome. The damage has already been done just by his interviewing and interest. Hard to sell recruits now that it's out there he'd jump given the chance.

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MichiganManOf1961

January 9th, 2013 at 9:09 PM ^

This is indicative of him leaving for the NFL.  Once a college coach interviews with an NFL team, it presents easy negative recruiting for other coaches.  It makes it appear as though he is ready to jump ship at any moment, which makes it easy to recruit against him.  To me, this makes it seem like his departure is coming.

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denardogasm

January 9th, 2013 at 9:12 PM ^

Honestly if I were a coach I'd be of the Hoke philosophy, with college as my mountaintop. In college you get to be the boss and as long as your level of success fluctuates between 8-4 and 12-0 at a major program you have a lot of job security. In the NFL unless you're Bill Belichik the 50 egos around you run the show and with each step you make towards a Super Bowl you're just expected to do more, so in a weird way you actually have less security with more success. College is where it's at. Plus it's just more fun for everyone.

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ghost

January 9th, 2013 at 9:28 PM ^

This second job he's been connected to this year and unlike the Bears the Eagles appear willing to spend.  That and Kelly's answer the other day about the NFL makes this a possibility.  If nothing else it will put a dent in their recruiting.

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BloomingtonBlue

January 9th, 2013 at 9:17 PM ^

Is a bad sign for Notre Dame. Maybe it was planned before the interview but Saban went back to work today. Kelly is on the beach, thinking about the NFL.

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MichiganFootball

January 9th, 2013 at 9:25 PM ^

Does it not seem like a strange time to leave the country? It's obviously been a long season, but why wouldn't he wait until National Signing Day when he could go on a longer vacation without having to worry about recruiting.

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robmorren2

January 9th, 2013 at 9:36 PM ^

It'd might be a smart move by Kelly. Judging by the short shelf life of recent ND HCs, it might be a smart move. They've already proved that extensions don't guarantee job security. They will just buyout your contract and send you packing like Weis. Also, I don't think Kelly's value will ever be higher than it is now. Despite being killed in the NC, he coached an unranked team with a RS Fr QB to the #1 ranking and a chance to play for title (no matter how "lucky" it may have been). If he wants a future in the NFL, it's time to do so while your stock has peaked and your competition has backed out (Chip & Saban).

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SMJenkins3

January 9th, 2013 at 9:43 PM ^

I could be off on this, but didn't Nix say he was coming back next year? I think if Kelly goes to the NFL that probably changes. That would be a big loss for ND as well.

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A4chris2

January 9th, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^

Has Lou Holtz been on TV since ND lost? He went off on a co-analyze before the game for not thinking ND would win... Looks even more old, stupid, and ignorant now than he did before if that's even possible

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Perkis-Size Me

January 9th, 2013 at 10:40 PM ^

If ND had won the title, I could see this making some sense. But I don't see how an NFL team could want him. He's fresh off a vicious ass-kicking, he had two pretty meh years before that, and while he did field a 12-0 team this year, a lot of that was luck.

I don't see how any player on an NFL team would take him seriously. The only reason I can logically see Kelly doing this is to get more leverage and a bigger pay cut. Plus, he's the head coach of Notre Dame. I bash ND as much as the next guy, but that's not a job you just walk away from after only 3 years. In my opinion, I think the Notre Dame job is more prestigious than almost any job in the NFL, barring maybe the Packers, the Pats and the Cowboys.

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