The Brandon Peters Decision
October 8th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^
Hard to disagree -- but I am worried that the inference to be drawn from all this is that Peters is measurably worse than O'Korn who is measurably worse than Speight. Utter speculation -- but I'm a bit worried if correct.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^
You are likely correct. There is a reason JOK was #2 and Peters #3. Simply that Speight > O'korn who is > Peters. Speight is a much better game manager than JOK and a game manager is what was needed for a win yesterday. That and Isacc not to drop the fucking ball as a 5th yr senior on a play that should never cause you to fumble.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
The way Speight has played if he had been in the game against MSU, I think we loose even worse.
October 8th, 2017 at 2:26 PM ^
O'Korn was considered a viable 1b to Wilton. When Speight threw back to back INTs against Florida, the coaches didn't hesitate to sit him and let him collect himself.
When O'Korn threw back to back picks, he was sent back out to throw another. And still, not even a shot of Peters warming up on the sidelines.
That should tell you everything about how ready Peters is to the coaches right now.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
I think it’s time. Let him learn this year.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Maybe split time between the two
October 8th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
Learn what? Honestly. Everyone keeps saying he’s going to learn, but what do you really think he’s going to learn?
Given what this fan base has seen happen with Gardner, Speight, and O’Korn when they get stuck behind a bad OL, all Peters or McCaffrey is going to learn is how to get happy feet and bad habits.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:45 AM ^
Malzone
October 8th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Peters will get hurt quickly playing behind this line.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:41 AM ^
He'll be playing behind this line at some point. And its not gonna improve with Cole gone next year.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^
Newsome should be back. He may not be as physically good as he was but he makes great decisions.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^
Great decisions? He’s a left tackle. The only decision he needs to make is to block the guy in front of him going after the QB.
The important part is the physical aspect. Where you’re asking a lot from a guy who almost lost his leg.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:32 AM ^
my god this place is insufferable. I think I'll check out until the next win (saturday). Until then, you all enjoy the #hottakes by all the armchair coaches.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
Go fuck yourself. You add nothing to this conversation and this is a fan board - what do you expect but hot takes?
October 8th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^
pussy
October 8th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^
My feelings are hurt.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:35 AM ^
It's also not that irrational of a take. If an Alabama QB turned the ball over 5 times, he'd likely be replaced. That's just how it is in big time football.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^
O’Korn didn’t turn the ball over five times.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:57 AM ^
JOK didn't turn it over 5 times either
October 8th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^
Alabama doesn’t have the same kind of fucking stupid we do on this coaching staff that calls 11 out of 14 pass plays during the middle of a goddamn monsoon. I don’t put any of those three picks on O’Korn. The coaches asked him to thrown in conditions you can’t throw, and then the most obvious outcome happened.
If that same kind of dumbfuckery happened on Alabama’s sideline, Saban would have ripped out his OC’s heart on the spot.
October 8th, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^
Omg could you imagine what Saban would do to Drevno. He would talk up to the booth and fire his ass at halftime.
October 8th, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^
This ×100. It takes a large amount of stupidity to pass the ball in those conditions. Remember when we all made fun of Brian Kelly for passing in similar weather last year against NC State? Higdon was the hot hand and we abandoned him during the monsoon. O'Korn was not good but this is a massive coaching fail.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^
good, get the fuck out of here. or go log in under your other username and join in.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
agreed
October 8th, 2017 at 3:06 PM ^
Well that escalated quickly! Very fast! Sudden!
October 8th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
He's not the long term answer if he's still behind O'Korn. It wouldn't hurt to throw him out there I guess, but I won't hold my breath for offensive improvement
October 8th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
not sure it matters if he is the "long term answer" at this point. Speight is out, O'Korn threw three picks last night and looked generally incompetent. We need a QB. Speight is out for the season. O'Korn is what we thought he was. What really do we have to lose. We aren't going to Indy. We aren't sniffing the playoff. There is a significant question as to whether Speight will play again here. I mean, what exactly are we doing here? We have a young QB with talent. Let the kid play.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
From what I have heard/read, the problem with Peters is his "lack of command" in the huddle. It is obvious that he has the physical talent to be a better option that Speight/O'Korn but he is apparently struggling in some non-physical aspect. I feel he should be given a chance to improve on this apparent weakness in game action. If he still can't overcome whatever this problem is then UM can always go back to O'Korn if they feel they have no better option.
October 8th, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^
What does that even mean?
Everyone says that about Peters (without any elaboration) and I don’t get what it even means. It sounds like a nonsense made up thing like “hearing football.”
I mean, is he stuttering when he calls the play? Does he freeze up mentally and brain fart? If it was either of those things or something like that it seems like it would’ve been known and he wouldn’t have been such a highly regarded recruit.
So, what on earth could it mean that it’s so bad it makes him a no-go but it’s not something that was known about him as a recruit?
It just seems like such a weird / vague situation.
October 8th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^
Basically he needs better intangibles, lost his mojo, still improving his chi, doesn't have feng shui of the system, and his presence isn't presencey enough. I hope that cleared things up for you.
October 8th, 2017 at 5:57 PM ^
I heard that his je ne sais quoi is low.
But seriously, it's too soon to write-off Peters. The word on him coming in was that he was raw, having not worked with a QB guru like some others.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
there's a good chance youre right but i don't think you can be 100% sure about a second year QB..
FFS Tom fuckin' Brady probably wasn't ready his year two in Ann Arbor.
And lets be honest, Griese didnt seem like anything special until his Senior year, so its not like he was behind some worldeater at the time.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^
Peters will he playing soon enough. With our OL I wouldn't be surprised if O'Korn is taken out for the year just like Speight.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^
Of hearing this shit about the “ O “ line. There is absolutely no downfield passing game so if any intelligent defensive co ordinator watched a UM game tape, he could see stacking the box and blitzing a good amount of time will reduce the line to shit. Oh wait, we’ve still got that “ out of bounds “ fade pass, that’ll loosen up the D and take some pressure off of the O line.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^
don't know if I have ever seen a Michigan team that is less of a vertical threat than this one.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
Crawford is just not getting it done. He just doesn't make any plays. He can't go up with a defender and come down with the ball. We have had guys that can make those plays going back to Roundtree and Hemingway and then onto Chesson/Darboh. Right now we just don't have a jump ball guy that can make a play.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^
So if we don’t have one of those guys, maybe we should stop throwing those types of passes all the god damn time. Especially when neither QB can keep the ball in play
October 8th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^
As in, the 53 inch box jump guy? Wasn’t that part of his promise, that he could be that guy for us? I don’t get why we aren’t targeting him on those types of throws.
Crawford (and McDoom) need to be permanently benched.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:12 PM ^
So quit wasting plays trying to go deep. work on the short game and hi percentage throws. worked against Purdue.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^
Yup. He’s not the long term answer because as a redshirt freshman he isn’t the best QB on the roster. Give up on him and developing him now.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:35 AM ^
This is the same logic that gave us O'Korn over Speight. Now we know why Harbaugh chose Speight instead of O'Korn. We need to trust and believe that Harbaugh is going to go with the guy who gives us the best chance to win.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^
I think Peters not playing is not because of his play, but his old school take on the QB position.
October 8th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
but he sure as shit cant develop it
October 8th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^
for your take is lacking--part of one season this year supports you, versus all the other years that call BS
October 8th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
Really?? You do? Let us see who he didn't develop. Speight was a 3* for a reason. He learned in Hoke era and probably hit his ceiling. JOK was benched his sophomore year for a reason. We had no option. Harbaugh has to build the QB. Look what he did with Rudock. He was benched by Iowa. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.
If we don't have a decent QB couple of years from now tell us. Until then, stop bashing Harbaugh about QB development. He has a proven track record.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
Is harbaugh sure as shit can’t call plays, the offense and play calls and routes the receivers run r horrible. It’s fucking pouring rain so let’s all run 15 yards down field and throw into a zone= 3 ints, drevno and Hamilton need to go, harbaugh needs take a $3 mil pay cut and offer jedd fisch $3 mil to come back
October 8th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^
I'm not convinced Speight is any better than Okorn. sure Okorn looked bad, look at the weather he had to deal with. Don't forget how bad Speight was the first few game of the year
October 8th, 2017 at 2:35 PM ^
JOK is not good. Go ahead and stick with him and this team will end up 7-5 or 6-6 at best. Makes bad decisions such as throwing into coverage and taking sacks when he should throw it away. He gets happy feet right away or holds on way too long. He's atrocious, probably the worst quarterback on our roster. No, I will not simply trust in Harbaugh. I have eyes and he is fallible just like the rest of us. Peters needs to start if he is ever going to play here. If not, he might as well transfer next season so we can go straight to McCaffrey.
October 8th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^
The best chance to win in 2017 or the best chance to win in future seasons? The current state of the offense rules out a great season this year. Which means this year is about the future and that future will not have O'Korn in it. I mean fine, stick with O'Korn through PSU. If you beat IN and PSU then great. But once you have a 2nd conference loss, this season is effectively done.
October 8th, 2017 at 5:10 PM ^
I'm not convinced we beat Purdue with Speight.