Brady Stat
Saw this on a Tennessee board, where they are, understandably, re-litigating Deflategate as their last line of defense as to why TB is possibly not the G.O.A.T. Pretty amazing (and apologies if this was already posted or if I fail to "embed link" correctly!):
February 8th, 2017 at 2:45 PM ^
Colin Cowherd was using this stat extensively in his radio show on either 2/6 or 2/7... in defense of how the GOAT conversation should be over at this point. There's Brady and then there's everyone else.
February 8th, 2017 at 2:53 PM ^
"Saw this on a Tennessee board ..."
In the U.S., there's no cultural group that tenaciously holds to positions (e.g., "Manning should have won the Heisman over Woodson") like Southerners.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:19 PM ^
"The South will RISE AGAIN!"
Or, Apu's version, "The South will COME AGAIN!"
February 8th, 2017 at 3:47 PM ^
... that the two people that have the largest impact in diminishing his legacy (outside of the sexual assault and HGH) are both Michigan alums.
February 8th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^
It's not irrational.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:09 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 3:15 PM ^
Damn. He is the greatest. I already thought so but the evidence keeps piling up.
And to a pet peeve of mine. I'll never understand why people detract him for losing 2 super bowls, as if losing in the wild card, divisional, or championship game is preferable.
It would be one thing if he went to four straight and lost them, like Jim Kelly, but the idea that if he had lost in the AFC champsionship game it would be better than to win that game and lose two super bowls to Coughlin's Giants is asinine.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:49 PM ^
Is Lloyd Carr's modest accomplishments with TOM M-F-ING BRADY as the starter. Two seasons, 1 win over Ohio State, 0 Big Ten Championships, 0 Rose Bowl appearances, 130+ passing attempts wasted on Drew Henson.
That would be the same Drew Henson whose decision to play minor league baseball instead of return for his senior year turned John Navarre (with his career QB rating of 126) into one of the program leaders for starts, attempts, and other passing statistics.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:58 PM ^
Actually we shared the Big Ten title in 1998.
Also, the OSU team that beat us in '98 was absolutely stacked - that was the year they went 11-1, with one inexplicable loss to MSU, the one that prompted this epic photo:
Altogether we were 20-5 with Brady as starter. Could have been a bit better but that's not too shabby - that's .800 ball.
February 8th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
Aside from going 1-1 against ND, MSU, and OSU in those years I'd say that getting 10 wins each year, splitting a big ten championship with OSU and Wisconsin, and winning two bowl games against the SEC is a pretty good 2 year stretch.
February 8th, 2017 at 8:07 PM ^
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February 8th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
The two he lost to the Giants had nothing to do with him. One was the Tyree helmet catch and the other was the Manningham catch on the sideline. Both ridiculous catches.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^
This really is a crazy stat. You can assume the Pats were behind in most of those games also (or the game was at least close) for him to be throwing 50 times. And to come up with that many wins is incredible. And yet the narrative is still often that he can't carry the team or he is just the product of the system. Good run game, good defense, blah, blah, blah.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:21 PM ^
Isn't winning the Super Bowl after the deflategate the best evidence that his previous stats had nothing to do with deflated balls?
That pretty much ends the controversy for reasonable minds.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:25 PM ^
My understanding is that Deflategate became about whether or not the Commissioner could suspend him under the CBA and not whether or not he deflated balls, since anyone with a shred of objectivity could see the NFL's evidence against him was weak at best.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:28 PM ^
Plus, didn't he win his first three or so Super Bowls before teams were able to provide their own footballs?
February 8th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^
Well since the patriots also got busted for filming practices during that period most of Tom Brady's time with the Patriots has come during a period where the Patriots have been accused of cheating in some way.
February 8th, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^
First of I've heard of that. You sure you're not thinking of the Broncos? They got caught filming practices. Patriots were caught filming during a game from an unauthorized area of the stadium.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:22 PM ^
The GOAT argument should factor regular as well as post-season success. With that in mind, behind TB12, the only other QB's with a GOAT argument are Montana, Peyton and Elway - in that order. Tennessee can cry all they want. Peyton was HoF, but not GOAT.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^
Peyton has the next closest argument, IMO. As a 'quarterback' he owns all the records. He played in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.
When I used to argue FOR him, it was because football is the ultimate team game. TB12 had such great defenses when he won his first 3 SB. Tom seemed to be very good statistically until about 2007, but not elite, esp compared to Peyton. Peyton's Defenses, when he was a Colt, let him down. A lot. Peyton has the closest argument of anyone.
That being said, Tom Brady is GOAT.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:57 PM ^
he played in 4 Super Bowls
he never threw more TD's than INT's in a Super Bowl - totals 3 TD's, 5 picks
Brady has thrown more TD's than INT's in ALL 7 SB's he's been in, totalling 15 TD's and 5 picks
February 8th, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^
Tom is clutch. No question. And at this point, I'll argue for Peyton even though I think he is #2.
You can't judge based on 4 games. Look at his body of work. He threw for 539 TD. Tom would have to play 3 more seasons to break that. Peyton had a 3 season stretch throwing 131 TD's. That's 17 better than any 3 season stretch for Brady.
Manning threw for 4000+ yards every season except 3. Brady missed that mark 5 times, excluding this year becuase of the b/s suspension. Brady also had 3 super bowls before he even passed for 4000 in a season.
Manning will always win the stats argument. Brady wins the Championship argument. And his stats have been close enough to win overall, IMO.
February 8th, 2017 at 5:04 PM ^
had Moss for 10 years like Peyton had Harrison
February 8th, 2017 at 8:58 PM ^
..and Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne. Hell, throw in Joseph Addai. That's more talent than anyone not named Randy Moss.
February 8th, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^
It's true Peyton's defense let him down a lot. He also put up arguably better numbers, at least until 2014.
The biggest difference between the two (and why I think Brady is the best) is for his ability to do what is one of the hardest things to do in the NFL: Play from behind at the end of a game.
Tom Brady:
Peyton Manning:
February 8th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^
The only reason I rank montana higher than Peyton - aside from 2 more rings - is because he assembled good #'s and won games in a passing system before a QB could put up the video game stats that today's offenses accumulate.
Brady was not elite statistically until 2003 or 2004 but he wasn't an embarassment either. Likewise, I'd argue that Manning's offensive personnel was more talented than Brady's (except maybe 2007-10 when the Pats had Moss/Welker).
February 8th, 2017 at 5:29 PM ^
defense was middle of the pack. They never had great defenses like the great Steeler, Bears, Giants or Raven's defenses.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:32 PM ^
Didn't they beat the ever loving piss out of the colts that game? Would allegedly deflated balls impact the game to THAT great an extent? It was 45 to 7 for cryin out loud.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:48 PM ^
And they did it by running Blount between the tackles whenever they fucking wanted (30/148 3 TD's).
February 8th, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^
One of these things is not like the others.
G.O.A.T.
February 8th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 3:53 PM ^
Peyton returned to UT for his senior season and I don't see that stat accounted for anywhere. Had he left after his junior year, there is no telling how many Super Bowls he would have won. I can assure you that the number would be at least n+1 where n=Tom Brady.
February 8th, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^
Came back for that Nat'l Championship. Oh wait...they got it the year after he left. They finally beat Fla too.
February 8th, 2017 at 5:40 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^
The "natty" thing needs to die.
February 8th, 2017 at 8:56 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^
I'm not a huge Brady fan.
February 8th, 2017 at 6:22 PM ^
I hope you are referring to Brady Hoke.
February 8th, 2017 at 6:28 PM ^
for shairing that. I had always wondered.
February 8th, 2017 at 6:58 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^
It's pretty amazing that he can sit back there behind an offensive line that's often devoid of stars and high draft picks, while he's not very mobile, and throw the ball all over the field.
February 8th, 2017 at 8:45 PM ^
February 8th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^
While Brady has 5 wins, 3 of them have been on a last second kick, and one was a miracle (seattle).
Brady is the GOAT. However, arguments can be made to the contrary.
February 8th, 2017 at 8:57 PM ^
what you are saying is that is was better to lose 45-3 in the first round of the playoffs than lose on a miracle pass to David Tyree
making 4 Super Bowls means many times he lost before he even made it that far
Brady also lost 2 SB on a miracle - he could be 3-4 or 7-0, so being 5-2 is probably about right
and Brady is playing in the salary cap era with tons of roster turnover as opposed to keeping all the hall of famers around him like Montana was able to - and SF was so great as a team that they won another Super Bowl after Montana with Steve Young as the QB