Borton's take on Hoke - UM/MSU
Read this, then read it again. This is about OUR coach. This is wonderful. This is why we LOVE Brady Hoke (as does Borton, obviously).
http://michigan.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=co…
favorite line "When and if he begins doing it with regularity, he's never mockingly ask "where's the threat," because he knows the threat of a rival rising up will always be there. He has more respect, and less insecurity, than to go there."
didn't find this posted. If it is, read it a third time. It is worth it.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:35 PM ^
Good read. I find it utterly ironic that Dantonio said that line about "where's the threat" because as I recall, it was him that said "pride comes before the fall" after Hart immortalized the little brother terminology in 2007.....
October 15th, 2012 at 10:41 PM ^
no one cares about him or moo u. Thr RCMB is calling for his head. It wont be long before he leaves for William and Mary. Dantonio cant contiue to be lucky with all those 3 star recruits. He is not good enough to coach them up. He took advantage of rich rod and good for him.
But this year we bitch slap him back to reality, opps there goes gravity.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:39 PM ^
Just win Saturday. That's all I want.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:46 PM ^
So many subtle digs in that article. Well written.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:52 PM ^
"He could get into last year, and helmet twisting, arm barring, and 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness. But he won't, any more than he did immediately after that loss."
Nothing subtle about that.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:57 PM ^
But there are still a lot of subtle digs in it.
October 15th, 2012 at 11:45 PM ^
Meanwhile, Mike Hart shows up.
October 16th, 2012 at 8:10 AM ^
But that dude really should have won a Rose Bowl....or at least an Ohio State game before running his mouth on MSU and Harbaugh.
October 16th, 2012 at 8:50 AM ^
Why? He didn't "run his mouth" about OSU or the Rose Bowl. He made fun of a team he owned while he was here. And he stood up for his program when Harbaugh was running it down.
Now , there is an argument that he shouldn't have done either, but what the hell does it have to do with beating OSU or winning a Rose Bowl?
October 16th, 2012 at 11:03 AM ^
That's not going to leave too many guys who can say anything. Including Jim Harbaugh.
Of the not really old guys, the 1980, '88, and '97 teams talk. Everyone else STFU. Strange when you're talking trash to a team that hasn't won a Rose Bowl in 25 years.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:49 PM ^
Hoke's going about it the right way, obviously. Won't stop me from being nervous until there are zeros on the clock though. Dantonio might be petty, but he's fielded some good football teams the last couple years and they always get up for us.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:56 PM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 9:48 AM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 1:47 PM ^
Michigan is well-coached
Michigan is more talented
Michigan continues to out-recruit MSU by a huge margin
Under these conditions, it would be unprecedented in the history of this rivalry for MSU to continue to dominate as they have the past 4 years. Dantonio is a solid coach, but he's not Nick Saban. Their slip back to the middle is inevitable.
October 15th, 2012 at 10:56 PM ^
I feel very good about our chances this week.
October 15th, 2012 at 11:45 PM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 12:38 AM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 5:38 AM ^
Got that right ... I think Lloyd slipped in some areas near the end (notably, in recruiting) but he pretty much OWNED Michigan State. Can't say he didn't understand *that* rivalry ... :)
October 16th, 2012 at 9:13 AM ^
Carr vs MSU from 1995-1999: 3-2
Carr vs MSU from 2000-2007: 7-1
Carr's only loss to MSU after 2000 involved some clock problems.
Edit: this was intended as supporting data.
October 16th, 2012 at 1:33 PM ^
That's because he was coaching against the likes of Bobby Williams and John L Smith. If there was ever an indictment of the futility of MSU football, it's that when Michigan was in something of a slow decline from 2001-2007, it was unable to make up any headway against them.
Take heart fellas, when Michigan is competently coached MSU can only muster a win every 3 or 4 years. Dantonio's time being smug is up and his slide to a career record under .500 against Michigan starts Saturday.
Myself, I am going to enjoy watching the Spartan faithful slowily turn against their hero when the wins against Michigan become scarce, the possibility of a Rose Bowl appearance become remote and 11 win seasons become a distant memory. Suddenly, boorish behavior in press conferences and turning a blind eye to player misconduct won't be quite so readily tolerated.
October 16th, 2012 at 2:49 PM ^
And is still the only one of 3 Michigan coaches to beat Dantonio.
I think you underestimate Dantonio. Jackass tendencies, sure. But he's a good coach. A Saban that could take them to the top of the league? No. But only a truly great like Saban could probably do that...and even he thought "get me the hell out of here." But can he be better than George Perles? I think so. I don't think he's letting them slide to the levels of a John L., but if we get better we can get it back to where it traditionally has been...winning 2 out of three games like clockwork. Winning up there is going to be tough for the foreseeable future. And MSU can easily slide into the role Iowa or Wisconsin has carried that when the big boys have down years they can step in and win the conference if things mesh right.
October 15th, 2012 at 11:02 PM ^
I'm not a subscriber, so I guess I'll have to leave it to my imagination...
October 15th, 2012 at 11:07 PM ^
If I had to explain the difference between our coach and theirs to someone completely uninvolved in this rivalry, this would be the article I would send. Perfect summary
October 15th, 2012 at 11:13 PM ^
Made me want a Bort license plate... but they were out.
October 16th, 2012 at 11:40 AM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 12:07 AM ^
Do I spend 25% of my savings and make the trip from NC to MI this weekend? I am still on the fence. The fact that I am yet to get two tickets is kind of a damper on the situation. I'm thinking of driving up on the 19th in hopes of landing them before game time. Who knows...
Forgot to mention, the 20th is my birthday and I've never been to Michigan Stadium.
October 16th, 2012 at 5:41 AM ^
Except for the fact that it could be an awesome revenge / redemption game, I'd say no. Save your money and make the trip next year, early in the season (better weather, more festive atmosphere), against a tomato can (cheap tickets, allowing you to keep more of your nest egg). MSU, though? That makes the decision tricky.
October 16th, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^
Do it. Just drive a car/take a bus.
October 16th, 2012 at 12:12 PM ^
We've decided that if we're going we'll drive. I have a Lexus and a Honda, so the more fuel efficient Honda will be making the trip. My only concern is tickets. Right now, on eBay, nosebleed/corner of the stadium ticket pairs are going for $270-300, would it be possble to get them on game day cheaper?
I'm also considering staying in Canton, and cutting the hotel cost in half.
October 16th, 2012 at 12:37 AM ^
Love this article. However, if I'm a head coach in charge of caring for my group of players, I contact the BiG and have them put the refs on notice for Sparty roughness. Gholston's behavior last year was not just unsportsmanlike, it was criminal. The head twist could have paralyzed Denard, and the arm bar could have snapped Lewan's arm. I'm all for taking the high road, but when stuff like that is going down, you have to prepare and respond.
October 16th, 2012 at 1:22 AM ^
i'm hoping he did it (quietly). and it's not 'whining' to call out thuggish, dangerous and unsportsmanlike activity like what we saw last year. that was shameful.
(edit: just don't do it in the media -- that would definitely come off as 'whining')
October 16th, 2012 at 8:00 AM ^
Did Dantonio say this recently, like before this year, or is this something he spouted off in the RR years? I don't remember this at all.
October 16th, 2012 at 8:44 AM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 8:51 AM ^
You can find it here http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/18649933/mark-dantonio-on-michigan-wheres-the-threat
I think he said it right after their spring game.
October 16th, 2012 at 2:32 PM ^
Throw in the fact that Ohio State isn't eligible for postseason play in 2012, and it might just be the biggest rivalry in the Big Ten right now.
Obviously it was written in the preseason since the "biggest rivalry in the Big Ten" is now buried on the BTN.
Pride comes before the fall, I guess.
October 16th, 2012 at 9:56 AM ^
October 16th, 2012 at 12:02 PM ^
the coach from el has for Michigan. Sparty got the man they want and he feeds them red meat.
Hopefully,sparty will be eating malarky this weekend.
October 16th, 2012 at 1:37 PM ^
Writing like this almost makes me want to pay for Rivals. Great stuff.