Boise St wins their 1st game and is now a front runner for the NC game
September 7th, 2010 at 1:16 AM ^
and Boise lost to 4-9 Washington in 07. Not to mention we got bitchslapped at home by that same midmajor. But, Bama followed up with 1 loss to the national champs in 08 and didn't give 2 rips about the Sugar Bowl, much like we didn't give 2 rips about the Rose Bowl in 06. You really think a team can get up for a game when they were 1 game away from the National Title game??
It simply doesn't happen, hell Auburn who didn't get a shot at it on 04 looked like crap against Va Tech in the Sugar Bowl but found a way to win it.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:26 AM ^
you keep doing a good job of coming up with excuses as to why teams lost to these allegedly lesser clubs
I should thank you
Its because of people like you, I'm able to keep winning money on them without paying exorbitant prices.
These teams never win, there is always something else going on. blah, blah, excuses, excuses. I would have zero problem betting this club week in, week out against the Big 10 slate. And that's how I judge them.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:25 AM ^
I acknowledge that Boise State is a very good team and has been for some time now. That is beside the point. The play in the WAC. Because they play in the WAC, they have a pathetically easy schedule every year. Therefore, they don't deserve to play in the MNC game.
"But they beat the good teams when they play them." So what? They only play 2 or 3 difficult games per year. Teams in the major conferences have to play at least 6 or 7 very difficult games each year, not counting a bowl.
"It's not BSU's fault the rest of their conference sucks." True, but the point is that the rest of the WAC sucks. If the rest of the WAC was any good, nobody would have a problem with Boise State going to the MNC.
"If BSU wins the MNC, people will be so outraged that we'll finally get a playoff system." I doubt it wiould have much effect. People have been outraged about some of the bizarre things that have happened in previous seasons and it has never really prompted any major changes. NCAA football is moving toward an eventual playoff system but the galcial pace will not be materially accelerated by anything Boise State does.
And another thing: that blue astroturf is just a freaking crime.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:40 AM ^
6 or 7 very difficult games? Please tell me your kidding. Ready, find 6 or 7 "very difficult games" in this schedule:
Coastal Carolina
@Marshall
Maryland
@LSU
UNLV
South Florida
Syracuse
@UConn
Cincinnati
@Louisville
@Pitt
Rutgers
I'll give you @LSU for sure, @UConn? Don't think so, @Louisville? Not really consideirng they just got beat by Kentucky, @Pitt? They sure looked "very difficult" losing to Utah, Cinci at home? Considering they just lost to a WAC team I'm assuming that doesn't help your argument...
This is WVU's schedule. Don't tell me every team in a major conference plays 6-7 "very difficult" games when that's straight up not true. Yes SEC/BigTen/Pac10 true, but ACC/Big East are certainly not playing those kind of schedules and are still BCS conferences.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:47 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 1:02 AM ^
I never said it was easier than BSU's (I don't think I even mentioned BSU once), and I certainly wouldn't argue that point. All I'm disagreeing with is the notion that every team in a major conference plays "at least 6 or 7 very difficult games." Just because a team is in a major conference doesn't mean they're playing national championship contenders every other week.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:11 AM ^
You managed to find a team in a major conference that doesn't have to play at least 6 or 7 very difficult games every year. Of course, you did have to resort to the Big East, which is a shadow of its former self after having lost Miami, VT, and BC to the ACC. But it's still a much tougher league than the WAC.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:05 AM ^
Comparing Boise's to WVU...
Who is Pitt? Who is UConn? Who is Rutgers? Let's say LSU is VA Tech. Why do you not think UConn is a hard game? They were just outside the polls this year, so you could equate them with Oregon State. TCU is a difficult comparison, but let's roll Rutgers and Pitt into one for that, only because there is no real comparison right now. There we go, we have a comparable schedule. Now let's forget about Maryland, USF, and Cinci, right? Those are not good teams, but would they beat NMSU and LA Tech. Probably.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:10 AM ^
Wasn't trying to compare to BSU at all. UConn isn't any easy game but they're certainly not "very difficult" by any stretch. Just saying not every team is playing 6-7 very difficult games as was asserted.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:18 AM ^
This is true. But I don't think a lot of people (here at least) would want Boise in the Big East or ACC. They'd want them in the Big 12 or PAC 10 to prove their worth.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:36 AM ^
We all really need Michigan to be good again(or more accurately continue with the effort from UCONN), so people can stop exhausting their energies on hating on every other team. Here's what I know, Boise St has beat the Pac 10 and MWC champs last year. They beat the team that is the favorite for the ACC this year in their backyard. They would destroy every Big Ten team this year not named OSU(and there I'd give them a 40% shot). it may not be "fair", but then again they have no room for error. While OSU or Florida are allowed slip ups against lesser competition(i.e Ole Miss or Illinois), Boise is not. If they lose a game, the best they can hope for is like the Humanitarian Bowl or some other crap like that. This year i think they would win the ACC, Big East, Big 12, or Pac 10 and compete in the Big Ten or SEC. They deserve a shot at the MNC if they go unbeaten and there aren't two other BCS conf teams that are also unbeaten. This is my last word on the topic. Can we PLEASE go back to talking about Michigan football and the amazingness that is Denard Robinson.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:50 AM ^
Correction: The U and Florida State are both better than Va Tech. You know who Miami scheduled out of conference? The cupcake FAMU and then Ohio State and Pitt. Thats how you do it.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:38 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 12:47 AM ^
Man Boise always wantin a home and home or sum shit like that and other schools are basically like no. They had a long discussion on ESPN about it the other day, basically Boise Sytate hasnt earned it yet. Theyre going to have to go on the road and play @ Texas, Miami, Bama, etc. So you're sayin Miami would rather play Ohio State than Boise? Bama would rather play Penn State and Michigan than Boise?
The fact is Boise isnt in those leagues yet and has to suck it up until they can build a fan base and the respect to get a home and home. As of right now they havent. Bobby Bowden did it for Florida State.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:32 PM ^
Man Boise always wantin a home and home or sum shit like that and other schools are basically like no.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?
September 7th, 2010 at 12:42 AM ^
Because Boise State plays an overrated V Tech who always seems to lose the big games and Michigan has to play @ #2 Ohio State, vs #9 Iowa, vs #12 Wisconsin, and @ #19 Penn State. Throw in the mix Michigan State and Notre Dame and starting next year Nebraska. Yea Boise State has just a tough of a road.
A part of me wants to sacrifice 1 year and see Boise State in the BCS and see them get slaughtered by 30 against Alabama so we can put this to rest. you saw what happened when Cincy had to play the big boys.
Boise State could be a top 5 team but we wont know until they start playin more than 1 decent team and 11 cupcake teams.
September 7th, 2010 at 12:51 AM ^
So it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they haven't lost a regular season game since 2007 against Hawaii?
They've openly stated they wanted to play ranked teams. The ranked teams instead want to fill up their schedules with fluff teams, they fear that if they pick the wrong filler team that they will set themselves back in the BCS run.
Hell they are switching conferences for a better shot at the NC. What more do you guys want? The nay sayers say they don't have enough schedule to warrant it, and the bigger schools don't want to face them to hurt their own. Look what happened to V-Tech, look what happened to Oregon. The USCs, the Ohio States, the Texas teams want nothing to do with BS because they are actually competitive. Boise State is a powerhouse team that can hold their own against ranked teams, but is stuck in at large conferences. If you don't let the team compete against the big dogs, how can you tell who is truly the better team?
September 7th, 2010 at 1:15 AM ^
Agreed. They are willing to play anybody, anywhere, even if not a home-and-home. Nobody is arguing that their schedule is not easy. The point is that they try to improve their schedule, but a lot of the top teams want nothing to do with them. Teams are afraid to play them because there is no upside. If they lose to BSU, they get hammered for losing in a way that they would not had they lost to a similarly-ranked Florida. If they were to beat BSU, people would discount it and say that BSU was just overrated. Does BSU have to pay for major teams being risk-averse?
The point is that their schedule does get taken into account, which is why they have to be undefeated (and win convincingly) in order to even have a shot, while an SEC team could make, and has made, the NC game with two losses.
You can get upset about their easier path to the NC, but to claim that they would be middle of the pack in any of the BCS conferences is delusional. They are a very good, and very experienced, team.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:08 AM ^
Boise St is the Gonzaga of the college basketball. a great little media darling from podunkville who was gotten to a point where they on a given day can beat the best of the best.
Problem is that Gonzaga while on a given day can beat anyone has proven in the tournament they just cant run through the top tier teams without a week or two to get ready.
No one disagree's that Boise could probably beat a lot of power teams with time to get ready. What most of us are wanting to see is that they can go on the road to Wisconsin the first weekend of november and then host Iowa the next week followed with a trip to Happy Valley the next week and win all 3. At least that is all I am asking...now i'm not saying those are all great teams, but they are good teams capable of catching a top team on any given saturday.
I just dont see why winning one game against a team that has been a chronic underachiever the last 6 or 7 yrs suddenly puts you in the drivers seat.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:24 AM ^
I am sorry, but I have to call bull on the whole "extra time to get ready" argument. BSU did not sneak up on VT. BSU may have had all offseason to get ready for VT, but VT also had extra time to get ready for BSU.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:31 AM ^
Exactly I agree, like i said Peterson has proven with plenty of time to prepare he is a great coach. What I want to see is what he can do with he has to be prepared for 3 straight games against above average teams. I mean think about this week for instance...you really think he is gonna put that much time into getting ready for Wyoming?? His mind is probably already on NTOSU in 2 weeks. If he gets through that the only other team of note might be Fresno St who just beat a Cinci team with a new coach and playing their first game on the road under a new system.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:14 AM ^
Why is every team Boise State beats overrated? God, they must pick'em good to get all the overrated teams.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:22 AM ^
How is simply observing that Boise State plays one difficult team and should win the next eleven games against inferior opponents because they have an easy schedule "hating?" I agree that they should make it to the title game now. And I hope it makes the NCAA finally wake up and determine a true champion on the field like every other sport in every other division does.
The BCS deserves a "championship game" that nobody outside of the "home" markets watches. They are fifty percent of the way there already.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:23 AM ^
This entire thread is an argument that can't be solved.
Side 1: They don't play anybody
Side 2: That's because they're in the WAC
Side 1: Then they should schedule at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, and at Texas the first four weeks.
Side 2: Nobody will play them!
Side 1: It's because they want people to come to Idaho.
Side 2: No they don't.
There is no right answer. All I know is that as somebody else said they probably win 4 to 5 of the BCS conferences this year. They played a virtual away game against a Top 10, conference favorite team. They play another Top 25 team at home. They're moving into a BCS conference with BYU, Utah, and TCU. Two of those teams bolted.
Is Boise State a really, really good team? Yes. You're ignorant of football if you claim otherwise.
Do they deserve a spot in the title game over any BCS (minus the Big East) conference team that is also undefeated? No. The WAC sucks but it's not like Fresno State and Nevada are freaking push overs. They'll play at least 5 solid bowl-worthy teams this year.
September 7th, 2010 at 9:31 AM ^
Is they never play major-conference opponents with only one week to prepare, or at a non-neutral site (ask yourself -- would they have beaten VT last night in Blacksburg?). This year they get Oregon State (in Boise), so we'll see what happens in that game. But regardless, playing VT with six months to prepare, or playing OU in a bowl with a month (and a whole season of film) to prepare is nothing like playing them with five days to prepare. Those victories are impressive, but it's a different class of game than playing inside your conference against teams that know you every week, half the time on their home fields.
Could even this Boise State team, returning 20 starters, survive a BIg Ten schedule? Possible -- they are really good, and VT had plenty of time to prepare for them. But likely? No.
I think probably someone in the WAC will upset them this year. Like you say, a couple of those teams are pretty good, and they know this particular Boise State team well. @Nevada could be it -- Nevada plays Cal, BYU, UNLV, and Colorado State out of conference, so they will be a seasoned team when Boise State comes to town.
Also, BSU plays @Wyoming in two weeks -- I have no idea if they are good, but I actually heard some ESPN bozo predict Wyoming has a shot against Texas this week, so there's that.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:26 AM ^
Boise State is a good team. I don't think anyone is denying that. The question is do they deserve to have a title shot if they run the table. I say it depends. If the top team in the Big Ten, SEC, Pac Ten, Big Twelve has one loss, in most cases that would still trump an undefeated Boise State. Why? Because Boise State would also have at least one loss if they were in those conferences.
Beating Virginia Tech is an impressive win. But having Nevada, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Utah State, Hawaii, Idaho, San Jose State, New Mexico State in your conference does not compare with the other conferences.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:45 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 3:19 AM ^
Hello if Boise goes undefeated Im willing to sacrifice the 2011 Championship and give the other team the title. Boise State would probably get their asses handed to them by Bama, Ohio State, Miami, and even Texas and Florida in an off year.
So lets let Boise St play this year, get their asses kicked, and never take them serious again.
September 7th, 2010 at 6:35 AM ^
Right, but they were supposed to get their asses handed to them by Oregon (x2), Oklahoma and VT. They were a great team last year, and practically everybody is back for this year. Why is it so hard to admit that they might actually be a good team?
September 7th, 2010 at 8:25 AM ^
Yes, they are a good team. And yes they did beat some good teams. But they have never played against a National Championship caliber team. I would hardly say beating Virginia Tech is an indicator of how they would perform against the best team in college football.
September 7th, 2010 at 7:04 AM ^
Well if they can pull off a miracle victory in their season finale game against perennial powerhouse Nevada, they deserve a shot at the Championship game. Duh!
September 7th, 2010 at 3:30 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 10:56 AM ^
I dont even care about the blue field, I care about the quality of opponents. So if the BCS lets Boise play this year and they get their asses handed to them then what? I'm sure the Boise supporters will have their excuses.
I'm not against giving Boise a chance to play for the BCS, however I dont think theyre that good and Im against people thinking theyre a top 5 team.
September 7th, 2010 at 5:24 AM ^
I watched the game. What else was there to do on a holiday Monday evening? How about this?
"... if you’re looking for the best team of the last 10 years, you won’t find it in Austin or Tuscaloosa. In fact, it doesn’t even hail from the all-powerful conferences of the SEC and Big 12.
The greatest college football program of the last 10 years hails from Boise, Idaho; where they play their games on a little blue field.
Coming off just the second 14-0 college football season in history and their second undefeated season in the last four years, the Boise State Broncos can safely call themselves college football’s best of the 2000s.
The Broncos have posted a 112-16 record since 2000, good for a winning percentage just shy of 87 percent and better than traditional college football powerhouses such as Texas, Oklahoma, Southern California and Ohio State."
Of course this is from a "hick" college newspaper; "The News Record", The Independent Student Newspaper at the University of Cincinnati. Oh shit, quoting facts, but what the heck do they know?
September 7th, 2010 at 8:20 AM ^
On one hand, BSU has no choice but to play the crappy teams on their schedule. They usually try to schedule a few BCS teams and are lucky to get more than one to agree to play them. So they can't play 5-6 quality teams each year to "prove" they belong in the discussion.
However, it is fair to at least ask the question, "Would BSU go undefeated if they had to play 5-6 decent/good BCS level opponents each season?" Until they get admitted to a BCS conference, we will never really know. They tried to move to a better conference (The MWC), but with the departures of Utah for the Pac-10 and BYU as an independent the MWC basically just dropped down to the level of the WAC+ TCU as the bottom half of the MWC is nothing to write home about.
September 7th, 2010 at 8:28 AM ^
Week 3, Oregon State. They will not be in the discussion after that.
September 8th, 2010 at 3:55 AM ^
lost to TCU. They are now ranked about #25 while BSU is still #3. Like it or not, the blue turf toed media darlings are a pretty good team, probably better than TCU. My money is still on Boise at least until they lose.Let me just add this note: The only team I give a hoot about is Michigan.
September 8th, 2010 at 4:46 AM ^
September 7th, 2010 at 8:30 AM ^
To play one decent team all year and be considered a front runner for the NC is ridiculous. I can only hope, as I suspect VA Tech will plummet in the rankings towards the end of the year and we will have a clear picture of who BSU barely beat. In a game where style points mattered Boise State earned NONE.
And yes full disclosure I am a hater, I am not jealous or arrogant, I just hate a team that would spawn Byron Hoyt. What a punk that guy is and in my mind represents everything about Boise State, you barely win a game against the one good opponent you play and you feel the need to taunt like you are some kind of world beater. Just like Hoyt I hope BSU gets knocked the heck out.