A Board Divided

Submitted by 1464 on June 25th, 2012 at 9:06 PM

So, we are in the cold doldrums of another long summer, so I figured I would spark some conversation by seeing what side of the fence everybody is on.  I'll post few debatable topics just to see where the battle lines are drawn...

 

1. LBJ, NBA MVP and Champion - happy for him or hope his house gets hit by a tank?

2. OSU - Win every game but one, only beat the SEC, or secede from the Union to form a province of Bolivia?

3. Navarre - If we find the Weinke loophole, would you take four more years at his average productivity?

4. Ditka or God, who would win in a fight?

5. Mascot - Giant blue weasel, life sized garden gnome from Brian's post, or does it not matter as long as they hurry the hell up...

6. Now that RDT has been outed, who is the next alter ego to slip up?

7. Ale or lager?

Comments

maizemama

June 25th, 2012 at 10:27 PM ^

1. LBJ is a zero. He took too long to win his first championship. He seems like a jerk.
2. Always vote for OSU to lose big.
3. Never!
4. I agree that this is a trick question.
5. No mascot.
6. Me.
7. Ale

Wolvercane

June 25th, 2012 at 10:35 PM ^

You do realize though that Jordan was 28 when he won his first championship compared to Lebron's 27 years of age? I understand some knocks on Lebron, but others are just stupied and pulling at straws. 

Magnus

June 25th, 2012 at 11:28 PM ^

You'll notice on this list of the NBA's fifty greatest players of all time that it includes...

...Scottie Pippen.

http://www.nba.com/history/50greatest.html

And while Dwyane Wade might be an NBA star, Chris Bosh will never be mistaken for being on the threshold of one of the NBA's fifty best players.  Lebron has a superstar sidekick, but so did MJ.

Space Coyote

June 26th, 2012 at 10:32 AM ^

Because of history.  It's like Babe Ruth (Babe Ruth, the Sulton of Swat, the King of Crash, the Colossus of Clout, BABE RUTH! The Great Bambino. Not the great Bambi), he will always be remembered by most people as the greatest Baseball player to ever play, when he might not even be the best on his team. But history always looks kindly on the past in these cases, and it would be nearly impossible for anyone to surpass the mistique of MJ.

If he wins enough though, he might be put in the same breath (and I do think he is far and away the best player of this generation).

M-Wolverine

June 26th, 2012 at 1:32 PM ^

Since a lot of people think he was better than Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, Russell...and if it's "not that long ago", Magic and  Bird. Baseball is just weird because the historic nature and stat-centric way it's followed; and that it's heyday was long ago, when they go all the best athletes in the country to play it.  Not that Babe Ruth would have been as good an athlete as players today; just that the best baseball players are probably playing other sports today.

maizemama

June 26th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^

Everyone is so hot to trot about anointing an heir to Jordan's throne. Kobe is the closest. Had Lebron stuck with Cleveland, and eventually won a title (I'm certain that would have happened), he would have owned Ohio forever. Then he would have been LeGend James. Now, he needs to have the numbers to even come close.

Wolvercane

June 26th, 2012 at 6:09 AM ^

I am not making the argument that Lebron is better then Michael at this point, he has a long way to go to make that happen. But to say that Lebron sucks because it took him 9 years and until the age of 27 to win a Championship? That is completely moronic. 

To go back to your point though, you don't think those 3 years at UNC helped MJ become a better player, a better leader, and more championship ready? Of course it did. As far as basketball IQ and maturity, this gave him a leg up. But when it comes to years playing basketball and learning those intangible basketball lessons, I believe years of playing basketball is more strongly correlated to this then years of a pro. College does matter. 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

June 26th, 2012 at 11:59 AM ^

To go back to your point though, you don't think those 3 years at UNC helped MJ become a better player, a better leader, and more championship ready?

Obviously.  I never said anything to the contrary.  But LeBron made his decision to go pro right away.  He could've gone to college and gotten the same benefit (and the same benefit of the doubt) but he didn't.  They both entered the NBA when they judged themselves to be ready, so LeBron doesn't get a pass here.

Wolvercane

June 25th, 2012 at 10:28 PM ^

and is partically related to the Miami Heat already. I don't think this deserves its' own thread, but I think many people on here will enjoy. Juwan Howard interviewed during the Heat celebration saying this was for the Michigan Fab Five and giving a shout out to Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, Jimmy King, and Ray Jackson. Also included a "We shocked the world" reference. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbc8sSHGWLw

Can someone embed please? Thanks.

bdsisme

June 25th, 2012 at 10:52 PM ^

1. Tank. #witness

2. Win every game except versus us (which will be two weeks in a row starting in 2013)

3. With Denard, Gardner, Shane, and (perhaps) Chance?  No thanks, I'll go high-risk, high-reward.

4. No politics or religion.

5. Why can't we just label the drum major as the mascot?

6. If Brian and Seth will let me have access to the login/IP data, I'll be able to confirm some of my suspicions.

7. Anything by Jolly Pumpkin.  So, ale.

David Brandon

June 25th, 2012 at 10:52 PM ^

1. Tank Smash Presented by Vizio. Also, throw in a simultaneous flyover.

2. Secede and secure exclusive provincial marketing rights.

3. The Weinke Loophole is a myth. The future cannot be created in this manner.

4. The promoters.

5. LOL

6. Buzz Killington.

7. Revenue

Wendyk5

June 25th, 2012 at 10:53 PM ^

LeBron is a great player. Jordan was a magician. Not only was he superhuman when he needed to be, but he was also a great leader on the court. I don't care how many rings LeBron gets. There will never be another Jordan. 

Brendan

June 25th, 2012 at 10:54 PM ^

1. Don't care.

 

2. Wut?

 

3. Maybe?

 

4. Both

 

5. Gnome.

 

6. Not entirely sure what this is all about, so I will again say wut?

 

7. Both.

mgobleu

June 25th, 2012 at 11:13 PM ^

What the hell is going on here? Are you all a bunch of f-ing communists??? If you want your damn tp end on top, thats fine. But I'll be dammed if I'll be treated like a second class citizen because I like it under. Last I checked, this is America and you all suck. Oh, and lagers are for beer league softball playing, lumberjack-esque women and ales are for self indulgent, narcissistic hipsters who think they seem deep and introspective despite the fact that we all know their beer of choice tastes like vinegar piss. No need for any but porters and stouts.

jblaze

June 25th, 2012 at 11:24 PM ^

1. Yes, Cleveland (and therefore Ohio) is unhappy, so awesome

2. Bolivia, sadness of the state is...awesome

3. Yes, especially with Hoke's recruiting

4. God, Ditka is < average

5. Don't care, whatever gets the kids interested (they will be recurits in like 13 years)

6. :( I loved RDT

7. Lager

Hagen

June 25th, 2012 at 11:27 PM ^

1.  Happy for him (I guess....) the guy earned it by having one of the most incredible post seasons of all time...so he deserves it.  Personally, still think he's a piece of crap human, but oh well...

2. Province of Bolivia....they could use some rusty factories.

3. No, done with and over.

4.  Trick question, the greatest trick Ditka and God ever pulled was making the world believe they didn't exist....

5. I refuse to answer.  This is America.  No damn mascot at Michigan, fergodsakes.

6.  I hate to say it, but we're waiting Herm....

7. Ale on the account of IPAs.

dayooper63

June 25th, 2012 at 11:49 PM ^

 

1. The decision really turned me against LeBron.  I thought he was above that.

2. If I could separate the team from the ugly fans, I would send the fans to Bolivia and have OSU undeated every year until they lose to UM.

3. We can do better now.  

4. God, but Ditka would put up a whale of a fight.

5. Neither, I want LOL cats as mascots.  Can I haz a Touchdown?

6. The Knowledge

7. Ale, and it's not close.  Give me a Two Hearted or Dirty Bastard any day of the week and I'm smiling ear to ear!

BlueDragon

June 25th, 2012 at 11:53 PM ^

1. Fab Five. Plus I liked seeing all those miserable LBJ-haters get bonked.

2. Plague of frogs and locusts, and the Olentangy and Scioto Rivers turned to blood.

3. Sure, if we have a good passblocking OLine for him to play behind.

4. [blank]

5. Emmy the Block M.

6. Brian Cook.

7. Lager!

CoachBP623

June 26th, 2012 at 12:03 AM ^

I'm so sick of people bashing LBJ. The guy did everything for Cleveland an absolutely terrible supporting cast. The guy dominated straight out of high school. The year before James left they won 60+ games and then the year he left they win less then 20. He left for Miami because of a better situation, better supporting cast, and a better organization. Everyone wants to talk about it being Wades team but the records for the heat without bosh and wade show otherwise bc without LBJ the heat were average at best. The guy is now one of only three players in NBA history that led their team in PTs, REB, and Ast in the playoffs leading to a title. The other two players are magic and Tim Duncan. LBJ is the ONLY player in the history of the game with over 650 points , 250 rebounds and 150 assist in one playoff. People say he's a jerk but he has a ton of charities still in Ohio and Miami and even offered to take less money so Miami could sign bosh to a similar deal. He's a great leader and the best all around player this game has seen since magic and Oscar Robertson. But he's better then hot of them on defense. It may have taken him awhile to win a title but not Kobe, not Jordan, not magic, no one would have won a title in Cleveland with how good the west was then. Hate if you want but now you have nothing to say.

orobs

June 26th, 2012 at 8:20 AM ^

what exactly makes him a "piece of shit human?"

 

Seriously.  

 

His greatest sin was leaving his team in an arrogant and immature manner, with a byproduct of millions of dollars going to charity.  He didn't kill anyone (ray lewis), rape anyone (kobe), womanize (tiger), cheat (pete rose).  But, yea.  Piece of shit cuz he's cocky.

DeuceInTheDeuce

June 26th, 2012 at 12:07 AM ^

1)  shit ima be askin him 4 sum change

2)  shit i couldnt tell u cuz i dont know

3) come on now! what type of question is dat?

4) i would have 2 say bof

5) im fuckin wit a rock or a pit

6) My mom CARLA

7) i would have 2 go with.............. water

MGoBrewMom

June 26th, 2012 at 12:32 AM ^

8. Over
7. IPA..bitter, hoppy, citrusy.
6. MGoJen is Kate Upton
5. Desmond Howard
4. Bo
3. uh, no.
2. Don't care
1. NBA sucks..when they stop traveling, I'll start watching.

snoopblue

June 26th, 2012 at 1:33 AM ^

What the hell is this RDT everyone keeps talking about. I don't post/read very often, but usually pick up on things....not so much this time.

nmumike

June 26th, 2012 at 8:23 AM ^

1. LBJ, NBA MVP and Champion - happy for him or hope his house gets hit by a tank?

Happy when his house gets ran over by an M1

2. OSU - Win every game but one, only beat the SEC, or secede from the Union to form a province of Bolivia?

Beat Ohio!

3. Navarre - If we find the Weinke loophole, would you take four more years at his average productivity?

Too slow, he wears bricks instead of cleats...

4. Ditka or God, who would win in a fight?

Chuck Norris

5. Mascot - Giant blue weasel, life sized garden gnome from Brian's post, or does it not matter as long as they hurry the hell up...

A wolverine, a gnome, and a weasel. I want to see races around the field every game, similar to how the MIlwaukee Brewers do things...
s/

6. Now that RDT has been outed, who is the next alter ego to slip up?

We are all figments of everyones imagination, there is no real or alter ego...

7. Ale or lager?

Scotch and Stout please