A Bit of Delicious ND Schadenfreude

Submitted by imdeng on September 25th, 2010 at 11:26 PM

There is all kinds of good stuff going on over at NDNation.com - the very best source of schadenfreud after an ND loss. Here is my favorite so far - it is an evaluation of Coach Kelly by an ND faithful:

What we have here, is a slim-fast, kindler, gentler Weis.

Ahh... miss you, big guy. xoxo. Thanks for sending us your slim-fast, kinder and most importantly, gentler version.

You can follow the evolution of the above thought at this link:

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=123883;d=all

Comments

smotheringD

September 26th, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^

can really make a coach look bad are QB and S.

A novice QB has to have one heck of a supporting cast (i.e. defense) to win consistently on the steep slope of the learning curve.

M_Born M_Believer

September 26th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^

I may be in the minority here, but I do believe that Kelly is a very good coach.  Being a Ferris State grad, I have been watching him coach since his days at GVSU.  He has won on every level.  I will simply laugh my you know what off if ND runs him out of town before he is able to get his type of team philosphy installed.

Tater

September 26th, 2010 at 12:12 AM ^

This will sound all too familiar, but if Kelly is given enough time, he should have ND back in the game fairly soon.  He doesn't have nearly as much rebuilding to do at ND as RR did at Michigan.  It looks like many ND fans are even worse than the idiots who were screaming for RR's ass. 

PurpleStuff

September 26th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^

Rodriguez struggled because he had zero experienced talent on offense.  Kelly's defense is thin in the secondary but those guys played their ass off today.  The offense is the reason they lost that game today.  If Kelly can't put up any points with Crist, Rudolph, Floyd, Riddick, etc., then who is he going to be able to put up points with? 

PurpleStuff

September 26th, 2010 at 1:03 AM ^

The guy is a year older than Denard and has thrown more passes than Shoelace.  Our offseasons have made a difference because we've added blue-chip players or they've gone from being freshmen to viable options.  ND has a bunch of experienced, talented players across the board on offense.

Kelly is not Rodriguez.  He has never built a BCS conference team (won with Dantonio's players) and has never won a game against an elite opponent.  I thought the whole reason to hire Kelly was because he could take the talent Weis had recruited and get them to the next level?  If so, he is failing miserably so far (Weis didn't have a problem putting yards and points on the board at ND). 

PurpleStuff

September 26th, 2010 at 4:28 PM ^

I know the GVSU and CMU fans on here are super high on the guy, but I don't think he's really done anything of note at the BCS conference level (winning a bad Big East while getting smoked against teams like Oklahoma and Florida).  The whole reason they hired Kelly was because he could coach up anybody (supposedly), especially on offense.  Yet he is putting up just 23 points a game despite having loads of experienced talent across the board. 

I don't understand the excuses either.  There wasn't a hint of discord when he took the job.  The offense isn't really that different/revolutionary from what they were running before (multiple wideouts, pass-happy attack).  They just aren't having success on offense.  Between the countless coaching mistakes I've seen him make, the constant berating of his quarterbacks, and his odd demeanor with the media, I am not impressed with Kelly at all.  I also find it hard to argue that a coach like June Jones or Mike Leach or even Charlie Weis wouldn't be getting a lot more out of this offense.

PurpleStuff

September 26th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^

His offense is the perfect weapon for taking advantage of crappy defenses who can't possibly cover 4-5 receivers and get pressure on the quarterback (the kind of defenses you find in the Big East or the lower levels of football).  As such, he's had a lot of success at those levels, but I'm not convinced that he has the kind of knowledge as a playcaller and offensive architect to attack better defenses.  His Cincinnati teams got crushed whenever they played an elite BCS conference team and his ND offense has woefully underachieved so far this year.

I'm judging the job I've seen him do with the talent he has at ND.  A better offensive coach would have a better record right now.  So would one who is smart enough to go to a safe alignment against a long-distance field goal in OT.

If someone can explain why he can't put up more than 23 points with the roster he has then I am all ears, but just citing his prior accomplishments against lesser competition isn't really persuasive to me.

colin

September 26th, 2010 at 7:25 PM ^

good recruits who underperform?  i have no idea how you're going to blame Kelly at this point without discounting his entire career.  apparently you are.  go right ahead i guess, but don't be surprised if people take the heuristics over your scouting prowess.

PurpleStuff

September 26th, 2010 at 9:03 PM ^

If all you can say about a guy is that he's no worse than Charlie Weis, then I don't think he's giving ND fans what they want/expected.  The whole point of hiring Kelly was his reputation for overachieving.  So far he has completely failed to live up to that expectation despite having loads of offensive talent at his disposal.  His lack of coaching awareness cost his team the game against MSU.  And apparently he is to blame for the poor offensive showing on Saturday because he wasn't aware that Stanford would be allowed to mix-up what they do on defense.

http://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131455

Again, the next person to say something positive about the job he's done at Notre Dame (rather than rehashing his resume at lower levels of football) will be the first person to do so.

colin

September 27th, 2010 at 12:58 AM ^

the suggestion was that Weis' lack of coaching has left them with a lack of skilled talent despite their recruiting numbers.  and i'm not sure how you could possibly conclude that we shouldn't probably give Kelly more than a spring and a fall before deciding against him.  again, his entire career suggests he's a good coach and your opinion doesn't count for much given all that.  at least acknowledge that it's not something most people are going to or should believe.

BiSB

September 26th, 2010 at 12:15 AM ^

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=124377;d=this

Much more a sense of resignation and an understanding that ND is not an elite program at present and that there's currently little rational basis to expect it to achieve that status in the near to medium term. There's also a question as to why it's worth investing so much emotional energy in such a program. Were it not for the golden memories of the halcyon days of my youth, I'm not sure that it would be worth investing such energy.
 

 http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=123800;d=this

We suck on offense. We suck on defense. We can't return kicks. We can't punt. Other than kick FGs, we suck at just about everything.

Barring a miracle, I think Kelly is in some deep doo doo.

We look incompetent in every aspect on the field. All you chuckleheads and pickle lickers who were spouting 1986 were morons.

This is nothing like Holtz's first year where his teams look competent and battled tough teams to the end. We just got stomped by Stanford.
 

Njia

September 26th, 2010 at 9:10 AM ^

That last line says it all ... The attitude of the OP that says, "But we're ND and they're just ... just ... STANFORD!" As though the fact that they were a patsy for a decade means anything to the price of tea in China, and ND is entitled to a win because they're just ND.

I was rooting for ND, because I think it would have made our win over them look better. But, Stanford is legit this year, Harbaugh is 10x better than any coach ND has had since Holtz, and ND deserved every part of getting dismantled.

readyourguard

September 26th, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^

Interstingly enough, Lou Holts was 1-3 four games into his tenure, including a loss at home to Michigan when his FG kicker failed the most important part of his job description....kick a last minute field goal. 

By the way, in that game, our defense was so inept, ND didn't punt the entire day.

Erik_in_Dayton

September 26th, 2010 at 12:42 AM ^

Michigan beat this apparently pathetic team only in the last minute...Kelly is  a good coach.  His team is only four games into his tenure...It would have helped U of M if ND had defeated Stanford today...All of that said, it's fun to watch ND fans implode. 

jmblue

September 26th, 2010 at 1:47 AM ^

While the Board Ops there can't stand Brian (because he's dared to link to their posts for TWIS), the guy who writes their game analyses (Jvan) is a pretty straight shooter.  He's been very complimentary of us this year and predicts us to go 9-3.

BlueinLansing

September 26th, 2010 at 2:16 AM ^

least a top 10 team.

 

ND fans are just in another world of reality (similar to Lou Holtz) where they still think they are awesome and should win the National Championship every year, and can and should beat anybody.

 

In truth they are a mediocre football program that would finish in the middle of the Big 10 every year, and might win the Big East every 3rd year.  Look at ND's schedule, they might win no more than 5 games this year.

Canham

September 26th, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^

PurpleStuff is dead on.  imo Kelly is vastly overrated and many M fans like him because he was at GVSU for a long time.  He has 10 times more talent than RR started with.

Tha Quiet Storm

September 26th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^

I really really hope that all the alumni and fans turn against him and that he is forced out before he inevitably turns the program into a winner like he has at every single stop in his career.  The fact that they can't realize that this guy is one of the top dozen or so coaches in the country absolutely baffles me.

MBAgoblue

September 26th, 2010 at 3:44 PM ^

Oh man, it gets better:

Is Kelly our Rich Rodriguez?

 

Will he stumble embarassingly until he gets a freak athlete at QB to make his video game offense look good?
 
So right now, yep, 4-0 and in the top 25 looks real good.

But the answer is actually no. No, I wouldn't take Rodriguez and his scheme because I don't think it's a scheme that will actually return Michigan to the top of college football. I could be wrong, but that's what I suspect. I'd be happy with a coach and a system that can win a title, and nothing less.

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=124858;d=all

MichFan1997

September 26th, 2010 at 8:18 PM ^

into opposing message boards. However, I was bored today so I read a bit of NDNation. First observation. Wow are those people depressing. I almost wanted to sign up and tell them 4 games was way to fast to judge Kelly a failure. Second, if you snoop enough, you'll find some great threads where they dig deep into the anals (lol) of Notre Dame history to try to pinpoint exactly where everything went wrong. Truly, Notre Dame fans are the most fascinating bunch I've ever come across, and I really mean that.