B1G Leaders look to be losers next year

Submitted by UMgradMSUdad on

The Leaders Division next year looks to be especially weak.  Indiana will continue to struggle.  Purdue is a bit better, but still no where near a powerhouse.  Illinois got clobbered this year in the B1G and will suffer through a coaching change, and Penn State, who knows how they will end up, but unless they pull out a miracle in landing a top notch coaching staff, they look to struggle next year, and possibly for several years, as well.  That leaves Wisconsin and Ohio.  Wisconsin has 6 senior starters on offense, including QB Wilson and WR Toon, and 5 senior starters on defense.  Several of the second stringers are freshman this year.  Wisconsin will likely have a steep dropoff next year.  That leaves Ohio, who should be a shoe-in for tops in the Leaders Division next year.  There certainly looks like there will be an imbalance in power between the two divisions.  Minnesota was the weak sister in the Legends Division this year, but they have already made great strides. Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State, Northwestern all look to have decent teams next year, and will possibly be as good or better than every team in the Leaders Division except for Ohio.  Michigan will be the best team among the Legends.  Looks like the Michigan- Ohio game next year might just get repeated in the championship game as well. 

What do you think about next year in the B1G?

joeyb

November 29th, 2011 at 1:38 AM ^

Apply it how? Only affecting the last game of the season? Most teams play divisional opponents in the last game. That rule will never happen because the reason they put Michigan and OSU in opposite divisions was so that there is always a chance of a rematch. Most years, though, one of the teams will have something riding on the line. It's not going to be too often that both are eliminated before the game even occurs.

robmorren2

November 28th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^

Next year is Michigan's window. No doubt about it. OSU will still be retooling and the rest of the Big Ten looks bad. Top 3 will be Michigan, Ohio, and ....? Nebraska? Iowa maybe as the wildcard?

redhousewolverine

November 28th, 2011 at 11:34 PM ^

I was looking at Ohio's depth chart and it looks depressing for us. They return their entire defensive lineup besides Sweat who didn't play against us and possibly Simon if he goes pro. They do lose 3 starting Oline, Herron, and Posey but Posey didn't play much this year. Herron's backups don't seem great so maybe their offense will struggle but Miller will have another year under his belt. They should be good. Also, MSU returns lots of players, mainly on defense, but will have to replace Cousins and Cunningham. Their offensive line will be better and they still have good RBs so they will be tough. Don't overlook MSU in our division.

unWavering

November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 AM ^

Why is that depressing for us?  We return almost our entire lineup on both sides of the ball as well.  We lose some key players, but so do they.  I'll call it a wash.  They will be learning a new system, we will be in our 2nd year.  I like our chances as of right now (yeah, I know that means nothing, but I don't see a reason to worry too much).

Rorschach

November 29th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^

MSU and OSU should both have very, very good defenses (especially if Worthy and/or Simon stick around). The offense will be the real question for both teams.

MSU should be very one-dimensional (losing their SR QB and top 4 targets) - How well will they be able to run the ball with everyone keying on it? And OSU loses Herron, Posey, and three good-to-great O-lineman (leaving them in a similar spot to us, depth-wise) - How smoothly will they transition to Meyer's offense? How will Miller progress if the line takes a significant step backwards?

Tha Stunna

November 29th, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^

I remember one year, we scored 39 on a team; the next year, after we returned most of our offense and they returned most of their defense, we scored 3 points on them.  Experience can count.

Henne was injured too, but that doesn't prove my point nearly as well.

saveferris

November 29th, 2011 at 12:01 PM ^

Ohio's offense without Posey this season was pretty anemic.  I for one am glad to see him go.  Granted Miller looks to be a talent and is bound to improve, but the rest of the Ohio receiving corps and running corps were unimpressive this season.  Not sure who is going to step in next year and impress.  Don't hit the panic button quite yet.

Zone Left

November 28th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^

Michigan has a brutal schedule next year and loses some really important guys who don't have proven backups. They're a long, long way from being presumtive favorites in their division.

TrueBlue2003

November 29th, 2011 at 1:22 AM ^

ALA and ND will be very tough games but our conference schedule doesn't look any worse than this year.  All of our home games are against solid teams that would be much more worrisome on the road.  We get MINN and PUR on the road.  They both looked improved toward the end but should be the worst two on the sched.  The toughest game in div play will be at NEB but all others look imminently winnable.  Even if we lose at Ohio theres a good chance we'd win tiebreakers at 6-2 like Wisco this year.  I like our sched.

Zone Left

November 28th, 2011 at 11:22 PM ^

If Miller develops like Denard did, the sky's the limit for their offense. However, they lose Brewster (all-conference level center), Shugarts (5* player), and Adams (5* player) up front. They also lose Herron and Posey to graduation--which were their two best offensive players. 

There are a ton of questions there and really no answers yet. The only thing we know is that the guys stepping in were highly rated recruits.

BrownJuggernaut

November 28th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^

Michigan State should be losing some key players too. The Legends should be between Michigan and Nebraska, but we'll see how Michigan responds to losing Molk, Martin, and Van Bergen.

MGoKereton

November 28th, 2011 at 11:23 PM ^

Ohio has a fantastic shot to reap the benefits in a division where everyone else is: A) Young and rebuilding, or B) Frankly not that good. Penn State is a big wildcard in that division. Wisconsin will suffer (how much is anyone's guess). Purdue might surprise some people, but that's all I see out of that division. As for our division, it's going to be one hell of a fight. We'll see how MSU responds without Cousins and co, Iowa is the annual wildcard that loses to Minnesota and beats someone they shouldn't, and Nebraska is going to be good. Minnesota will get better, but probably still flounder around the bottom of the conference along with Northwestern. I think it's between Nebraska and UM next year, with Iowa and MSU not too far behind.

Tuebor

November 28th, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^

msu is bringing back 10/11 starters on defense next year.

I hate to admit it but msu will be a solid team next year as well.

I hope Hoke and Team 133 drops 50 on those bums.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 28th, 2011 at 11:31 PM ^

Well they lose one DB I believe, and I have to think Worthy is going pro. They also lose Pickleman who is a solid contributor. But they do get Thomas as a RS FR, but who knows where he's going to play. The D will be solid, but what about the O. Lose cousins, all their WR, and beat lineman. The run game wasn't good this year. They could be Penn State-ish this year: beat most teams, but can't keep up with the upper echelon.

Space Coyote

November 29th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^

I do think their backup, Maxwell, is better than any QB on PSU, but they lose a lot of their receptions from this year.  They have some young players at WR and some depth at TE, but losing the best O-lineman off of a weak O-line doesn't bode well for a team that will surely try to get back to running the ball.

But their defense should be legit.  I'm still not sure Worthy is leaving.  Their is a ton of depth for DTs in this years draft it seems, and some scouts have already questioned his motor and  (wait for it) pad level.  I think it would actually be in his best interest to stick around, even if I want to see him gone.

All in all, OSU and MSU should both have really good defenses.  You can never count teams like that out.  Granted, a lack of O will lose you some games, but it also gives you a chance to win some games you have no business being in.  Neb should be better, Iowa could be about equivalent.  I think it is a little homerish to put Michigan as the run away favorite this early, even if that would be awesome to assume.

Look Up_See Blue

November 28th, 2011 at 11:33 PM ^

Michigan does have a tough schedule next year.  They could lose both to Alabama and ND, but those are both games that they could win.  Even if they lost both that doesn't effect their B1G chances and making it to the Rose Bowl.  Bama doesn't really count as a road game beacuse it's at a neutral site.  Therefore, the toughest road games are @ ND, Nebraska and Ohio.  I think they have a very realistic shot at going 10-2 again next year.

robmorren2

November 28th, 2011 at 11:33 PM ^

Has anyone put thought into a UM/Ohio conference championship and back-to-back games? I was always focused on Michigan improving. Now that they seem to be making headway I thought about it a little more. Can you imagine playing Ohio again in a few days? It's crazy. Leaders. Legends. Potential back to back OSU games... This isn't your Pappy's Big Ten. This is some strange mutant conference.

Vasav

November 29th, 2011 at 12:16 AM ^

Let's assume, for chaos' sake, that they get a one-year bowl ban. I imagine they'd be the 2011 USC of the 2012 B1G East - but then who's their UCLA? The battle for 2nd in the East would be the battle for Indy. In that case, I think you've got to imagine Wiscy just based on their track record, you've got to see an improving Purdue as a team with a chance to finally make a move, and Penn State is still probably the most talented team in the B1G East - despite the coaching change.

I've got Penn State being an 8-win B1G East champ, with Ohio running through the division but not being eligible for Indy or a bowl game.

Vasav

November 29th, 2011 at 1:24 AM ^

They return Rees an a ton of their backs on O (with the obvious departure of Floyd), but they're losing most of their O-line and have losses all over their defensive 2-deep. I think they'll look like the last few years - looking okay, hovering in the back of the top 25, getting better as the year progresses, but I don't think they get over the hump next year. I think it'll be 2013 before they sniff a BCS game.

MH20

November 29th, 2011 at 7:27 AM ^

I didn't watch much of Stanford/ND but the box score shows that Hendrix got a lot of play in that game.  Was it performance or injured related?  I ask because on College Football Final Lou Holtz was going apeshit about how awesome Hendrix played, making it sound like he was going to be the guy from here on out.