B1G and Pac-12 apparently reach scheduling agreement

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Pete Thamel @PeteThamelNYT

BREAKING: Pac-12 and Big Ten enter scheduling agreement. All 12 teams playing an inter-league football game starting 2017.

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More information sure to be forthcoming but this has been picked up by a lot of people and could very well be the big news expected today.

Opinions?

Personally I think this is a great move for both conferences to get some high-profile home/away games going in a B1G-ACC Challenge type format.

Edit: Link for more info. Big items:

  • Cross-Promoting each other's stuff on the conference tv networks
  • Football not the only sport to be involved
  • May keep B1G at 8-game conference schedule, per Delany

Wolverine Devotee

December 28th, 2011 at 1:39 PM ^

Hoping for these matchups in 2017:

Michigan-USC

Illinois-Arizona State

Indiana-Washington State

Iowa-Cal

State-Washington

Minnesota-UCLA

Nebraska-Colorado (Rivalry)

Northwestern-Utah

ohio-Oregon

Penn State-Arizona

Purdue-Oregon State

Wisconsin-Stanford  (If Stanford is as good as they are now by then)

neoavatara

December 28th, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^

No way.  Oregon is a national championship caliber team.  Stanford is almost there, and anyone think longterm USC will be held down?  Arizona State and Cal are decent, the rest of the conference...meh.  But the ACC?  They pretty much suck all the way down.  No championship caliber teams, decent Clemson, Va Tech and Florida State...and after that, nothing much...I know I am missing someone, but still doesn't matter.  

AMazinBlue

December 28th, 2011 at 1:49 PM ^

where the Rose Bowl no longer is tied to the two conferences so as a pre-emptive move, the two conferences "align" themselves to keep pace with the ever-growing SEC and media biases toward them and the Big 12.

And as stated many times earlier, if it shuts out ND all the better.

YabbaDabbaBlue

December 29th, 2011 at 2:23 AM ^

The Rose Bowl's B1G-PAC tie-in has always impeded CFB from implementing a system that would rightfully crown a national champion. This move will help traditionalists let go of that tie-in, as we make way for the highly-anticipated playoff system.

This setup trumps conference expansion, which spiraled out of control this year. Playing certain teams only twice every 7+ years? No thank you.

Ziff72

December 28th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^

Well 1 more thing of my "college football would be insanely awesome if they did these 10 things list".   At this rate they will implement Brian's playoff system in 2030 and I'll drop dead 2 months later.

2017?   I know scheduling is tricky and planned well in advance but for fucks sake move this shit up faster and do more of it.

 

 

mGrowOld

December 28th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^

I cant see how this doesnt force ND's hand.  There's no way USC is going to want to play ND and a Big10 team every year and likewise for Michigan, MSU & Purdue via the Pac whatever number they are now. 

ND better hope the Coast Guard, the Merchant Marines and the US Forrestry Service field footballs teams between now and 2017 or their schedule will have some serious holes in it.

FrankMurphy

December 28th, 2011 at 5:38 PM ^

USC actually tends to be pretty ambitious with its scheduling. They usually play at least two non-conference games against real BCS opponents every year. In '02, they played Auburn, Colorado, Kansas State, and Notre Dame. In '06, they played Arkansas, Nebraska, and ND. Even when they play non-BCS opponents, they're usually from the Mountain West or the WAC. There are a lot of reasons to criticize USC, but one thing I have to give them credit for is their willingness to schedule tough non-conference games. 

Needs

December 28th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

Might be true for the Big 10 teams, but USC has, admirably, never had a problem with scheduling other BCS teams in addition to ND. In the last 10 years, they've played K State, Auburn, Colorado, VA Tech, Arkansas, Nebraska, Virginia, Ohio State, Minnesota, and Syracuse OOC. They kind of have everyone's dream scheduling philosophy of playing ND and one additional BCS team. Also helps that they won every one of those games except for one game against K. State.

Picktown GoBlue

December 28th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^

ND just needs to drop down a couple of levels to play the Coast Guard:

http://www.uscgasports.com/content/blogcategory/15/76/

Coast Guard snaps a five-game losing streak and finishes 2-7 overall and 2-5 in the Bogan Division. The Bears lost five games this season by seven points or less, four of those in the final minute of play.

And the Merchant Marine was even on the USCGA schedule.  The Golden Domers would fit right in with the Mariners and the Bears.

bluesouth

December 28th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^

 

Increase revenue without conference expansion

"Together, the Big Ten and Pac-12 encompass 15 states holding 43% of the nation's population and 22 of its top 50 television markets. 

Looks like an assault on the SEC,with a potentially higher profile OCC schedule, marque match ups that effectively make the SEC OCC scheduling cupcakes look really bad for the SEC.

Some potential great match ups I look forward to seeing.

AU vs Michigan

USC vs Michigan

OU vs Michigan

Standford vs Michigan

Cal vs Michigan

Looks li"

M Fanfare

December 28th, 2011 at 2:00 PM ^

I like it a lot. I would rather see Michigan play any Pac-12 school (home or away) than any MAC or FCS team. I would love to go see Michigan play in Boulder, Salt Lake City, Corvallis, Tucson, Tempe, Los Angeles, Seattle, Eugene, the Bay Area, and Pullman. How cool!

Mr. Yost

December 28th, 2011 at 2:54 PM ^

How does playing a Pac-12 team mean we won't play and FCS or MAC team?

IMO it just means we won't play TWO MAC teams and an FCS.

This year we played EMU, WMU, SDSU and ND...this game would just replace one of the MAC games or the SDSU game. I don't get why people think it has an affect on ND or BOTH MAC games?

smwilliams

December 28th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^

about this arrangment being similar to what other conferences are doing appears to be a slight towards the over-expansion/realignment of the other major conferences. It's as if Delany and Scott are saying "Go ahead and have your 14 team mega-conferences and country-wide Big East. Grab all the middling programs you want. We're going to stick with our traditions while moving forward at the same time."

Love this move because it doesn't leave the two conferences stuck in the past, but doesn't entirely do away with it at the same time.

cjd3mtsu

December 28th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

I know many people are saying they would've rather seen a B1G vs SEC scheduling pact, but that is just unrealistic because I highly doubt the SEC wants to travel north of Kentucky on a regular basis. As is noted in every single bowl game they play being in their own backyard. 

French West Indian

December 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^

Love it!

Just another step in the progression towards Jim Delaney & Larry Scott's master plan:  a coast -to-coast partnership of dominance in college football.

Upcoming moves:

-Expansion to 16 teams each

-Add major media markets

-Corner the market on traditional powers

Major targets for expansion include Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and maybe Kansas? Okla State? Texas Tech? Rutgers? Uconn?  That would give the B1G/Pac partnership:

-at least 8 of the 10 winningest all-time programs

-a coherent coast-to-coast geographic footprint

-a very formidable mini-playoff with the B1G/Pac championship games leading into a restored New Year's grand finale Rose Bowl matchup.

-and lastly a giant "FU" to the BCS and a "suck it" to the SEC

Just imagine the two conferences featuring four equally weighted division champions (for example, Texas vs. USC and Notre Dame vs Nebraska) with a Rose Bowl finale.  Now campare that with the farce that is the current BCS championship featuring two teams from the SEC west.  Which is more likely to provide a winning team with a resume that AP voters would declare as "national" champion?

And if the B1G/Pac really wanted to stick it to the SEC, they could try to entice Alabama and  Tennessee into the fold (i.e., the only 2 SEC amongst the top 10 all time winningest programs).

Call me crazy...but  something like this is probably more likely the endgame of college football over the next 10-20 years rather than any NCAA sanctioned Division II style or BCS plus-one playoff.

StephenRKass

December 28th, 2011 at 2:30 PM ^

This is awesome, and I heartily approve. It will cost some amount of revenue to Michigan and Ohio State, but it provides a great out of conference game every year. If we alternate Pac 10 & ND schedules, you have a marquee out of conference game yearly.

Especially if you cycle through the entire conferences, you will end up facing a very strong team 25% of the time (once every four years, Oregon, USC, & Stanford this year,) a middle of the road team 50% of the time (once every two years,) and a bottom dweller 25% of the time (once every four years, Arizona, Washington State, and Colorado this year.)

With 12 teams in each conference, it will take 24 years for Michigan to cycle through having a home game and an away game with every team in the Pac 10.

I don't fully know the financial repercussions, but it seems to me that TV could have a strong interest in ponying up more cash for this set up, alleviating the lost revenue from scheduling more home game tomato cans every year.

burtcomma

December 28th, 2011 at 2:31 PM ^

"Together,the Big Ten and Pac-12 encompass 15 states holding 43% of the nation's population and 22 of its top 50 television markets." 
 
Is this a shot over the bow fired at ESPN and first step in aligning two of the Big 6 conferences to control their own sports network?

catatomic

December 28th, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^

Win your Divison (duh)

Round 1: Win your Conference (B1G)

Round 2: Win the Rose Bowl (Super Conference)

Round 3: Win the +1 game against other TBD Super Conference (Sec vs ACC, etc)

National Champion

That's essentially a sixteen team playoff.

We might add a couple teams to the B1G (ND etc), but won't rehash that here.

BlueHills

December 28th, 2011 at 2:50 PM ^

This is brilliant on multiple levels.

First, there's traditional cooperation between the two leagues that makes them comfortable with each other. In my prehistoric era, Michigan often played then-PAC-8 schools instead of MAC teams OOC, so this is really not all that new.

Second, who would the B1G or PAC12 add for expansion that would meet their academic and athletic standards? There really aren't any good candidates except for Notre Dame. We're not going to be poaching a school from another league any time soon.

Now think about the CIC and the potential academic cooperation between the Midwest Ivies and Stanford, Cal, and UCLA, and how that impacts the academics of the two leagues. It's a natural fit.

Now that the SEC has added a couple of schools with good academics, they'll probably find the ACC a natural partner. 

I'll bet Nebraska is feeling like they hit the lottery. The Big 12 is back to being the SWC plus Oklahoma.

Mr. Yost

December 28th, 2011 at 2:50 PM ^

I don't see why we have to get rid of ND...

Play 8 conference games a year.

Always play the ND home and home OPPOSITE the Pac-12 home and home.

You can still schedule a cupcake, you can still schedule a Michigan directional.

...am I missing something? How does this really change anything?

Our schedule could now look like this:

vs. EMU

@ Arizona

vs. Harvard

vs. Notre Dame

...8 B1G Games.
 

***Following year***
 

vs. CMU

@ Notre Dame

vs. Yale

vs. Washington

...8 B1G Games.

 

How is that so much different from what we do now?
 

Perkis-Size Me

December 28th, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^

i think this is a fantastic move by both conferences. even if we give up notre dame, the prospect of playing the likes of usc, oregon or stanford every year are amazing. delany has a smart way of sitting back and only making moves when he can hit a grand slam deal. acquiring nebraska and getting this deal done are perfect examples. 

2017 college football season opener, usc vs michigan, either jerry world or at the rose bowl. 

artds

December 28th, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^

Wow. This is so far out in the future that Shane Morris will be a SENIOR when this all starts, and that IF he redshirts his freshman year.

BrewCityBlue

December 28th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^

This is what I was going to come say when I was trying to put this into perspective for when this will be starting. 

Pretty cool idea but can't they get this started earlier? I know football schedules a few years out but if teams are able to up and switch conferences in a 2 year span I see no reason this has to take 5-6 years to implement. 

ldoublee

December 28th, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^

I would love to see the B1G Ten teams get to play the home games later in the year to get the home field advantage with the weather. We have to play the Rose Bowl on their turf..time for UCLA to play Wisconsin, Arizona State to play ohio, and Stanford to play Michigan in some crappy cold weather.

Ben from SF

December 28th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^

2017:

Friday before Labor Day:

8 PM EST on Fox:  Colorado @ Nebraska (Sponsored by the conference formerly known as the Big 12)

Saturday:

Noon EST on ESPN:  Arizona @ Purdue (The Snake Oil Classic)

Noon EST on FX:  Washington State @ Michigan State (The Jud Heathcote Bowl)

3:30 PM EST on ESPN:  Penn State @ Utah (All proceeds go to child abuse victims)

3:30 PM EST on FX:  Indiana @ UCLA (Free if purchased a ticket to the basketball scrimmage afterwards)

8:00 PM EST on ABC:  Michigan @ Stanford (Jim Harbaugh will conduct handshake demos for both teams before the game)

8:00 PM EST on ESPN2:  Cal @ Northwestern (Backup game for folks who can't get into Michigan / Stanford)

Sunday:

3:30 PM EST on ESPN:  Wisconsin @ Washington (Stay around for 5th qtr when the Wisconsin band plays Pearl Jam's greatest hits)

3:30 PM EST on FX:  Oregon State @ Minnesota (The Toothy Rodent Bowl)

8:00 PM EST on ABC:  Illinois @ Arizona State (Preceeded by Cubs / Diamondbacks baseball, sponsored by Metamucil)

Labor Day Monday:

3:30 PM EST on ESPN:  Iowa @ Oregon (Free chicken wings for all attendees, courtesy of Nike)

8 PM EST on Fox:  USC @ Ohio State (Free apartments, cars, and tattoos drawings pre-game)