Article today about Mallets Transfer from Michigan
Not to beat a dead horse...but I thought this was pretty interesting because I don't know if we have ever had confirmation from Ryan about how the situation went down between him and RR. Here is a very interesting side of the story from the Mallets...
“Ryan’s the one who called (Rich Rod),” Jim Mallett continued. “He said, “Can I talk about the offense?’ And then he told me, ‘Daddy, (Rodriguez) never looked me in the eye.’ He never visited with the family, he didn’t talk to us. But hey, it wasn’t a fit. Let’s move on.”
had nothing to do with how terrible the offense was. Having Lloyd Carr around wasn't going to somehow magically increase the accuracy of Sherithreet
maybe we should just cut all the players he recruited. If he f'ed everything up why would you want his f'ing recruits.
I feel like RR didn't want Mallett here so that he could tell Pryor, hey we don't have a QB and your the guy we need. Sounds like RR put all of his eggs in the Pryor basket and it backfired on him. That single player was the first and biggest loss of RR's Michigan career.
Not getting Pryor was actually a blessing in disguise. Though I do agree with your point about RR not giving 2 shits about trying to keep Mallett.
I agree. I am very happy Pryor never came here. Just pointing out the fact that this had to be RR's plan. He basically said we will have Pryor start and have Threet/Sheridan to back him up. When that fell through he was screwed. Not even saying it changes the way everything happened.
It may have been RR's biggest loss but it may be the best thing for us. Pryor has been nothing but drama and damage and to not get him is/was a blessing.
He did win two BCS bowl games, after all. But the spirit of your point stands.
We'll have to see whether that Sugar Bowl win remains intact. But the spirit of your point stands.
Maybe I missed when this was posted before, but I am surprised everyone is so cavalier about the quotes in this story. If they are true, they seem to confirm the "RR chased Mallett away" narrative at the expense of "Mallett was gone no matter who was coach." To me, what Mallett's father says is a big deal.
Of course, this was three years ago, and the Mallett family has an obviously self-serving motivation to paint Ryan in the best possible light.
"His mother thought if they had retained her son’s QB coach Scot Loeffler then he’d have stayed."
They certainly make it sound like Mallet didn't want to transfer right away, but rather, that not much was going in Mallet's favor. I agree about the self-serving thing you mentioned, but even with that it seems to be pointing in the "RR chased Mallet away" direction.
I'm not sure if it was "RR chased Mallett away", but more of a mutual realization. Both Carr and RR kinda nudged him out the door, but they were actually doing so because they were looking out for Mallett's best interests. Mallett happened to be thinking the same thing about playing in a spread offense, and he eventually decided to transfer.
...essentially correct. Mallett was unsure of what to do given the transition to a new coach and system. Plus, he'd had a tumultuous freshman year with lots of ups and downs. Home was probably looking a lot better than A2 at that moment.
Anyone who thinks that RichRod and Carr didn't discuss personnel during the transition is delusional. I'm sure Carr told RichRod that Mallett was a huge talent but problematic and was probably out the door. Who can blame RichRod for not expending a bunch of energy on that? So RichRod may have given Mallett the cold shoulder because he was convinced the QB wasn't seriously considering staying and was something of a head case anyhow.
Carr had invested a lot of time into Mallett's personal and football development and wanted him to ultimately succeed. Knowing Mallett's skillset was a mismatch with the offense RichRod was planning to install (notwithstanding RichRod's OC stints at Tulane and Clemson - what he ran as HC at WVU was the pertinent thing), and knowing that Mallett was struggling with being away from home, he advised him to leave.
I'm in the "Mallett's dad's comments are self serving" camp on this one.
Rich Rod took a huge gamble: by transforming the offense as fast as possible, at the expense of keep a transition guy like Ryan Mallet, and at the expense of defensive recruiting, he thought he would turn the corner faster. (He took a gamble even coming here versus staying where he would have been revered for years, but he wanted to go big time.)
The gamble almost paid off. Huge offensive progress was made. The consensus on this board was Harbaugh, or one more year with a major defensive staff overhaul. If he had gotten Pryor (and managed to "contain" him), he may well have made it through. If Pryor had come here, the past two years would have been better, and there would have been no criticism for Mallet leaving.
It didn't pay off, and he lost the gamble but has a golden parachute.
Rich probably did not do a full court press to keep Mallet. Unlike the current transition where there was a full court press from DB on down to keep Denard. Mallet did have character / ego issues (reportedly like Tate). The value proposition to keep Denard (we'll help you transition and prep to play in the NFL), versus Mallet (eh, it's not a fit but we'll work you in) is much easier to sell. Lloyd Carr probably did advise Mallet that his best path to the NFL was to find the right offense (which by the way is the ethical thing to do). What's not reported, is whether he said anything about how important he was to the team.
So what? Mallet was better off moving on. Pryor wanted free loaners. Rich took his gamble, and has to live by the consequences (which aren't that horrible by today's standards). The rest is history.
Though we didn't get Harbaugh or one more year / new defensive staff, I hope the new guys are successful, and wish Rich, Lloyd, and Ryan well.
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exactly as William of Occam would have posted re: Mallett's exit. Nicely done.
Of what actually happened I'm glad he left. Could never perform in the big game. Interception after interception with the game on the line.
Yep, I am so glad we got to watch Sheridan/Threet for a year instead. Would have been torture to have to bear through watching Mallett play.
s/
We've been tearing it up in the big games the last 3 years. (heck, if he had stayed but played 3 years like he did at Arkansas, we still could have had Denard, and he could have been a redshirt freshman last year, with 3 more years to look forward to).
And add this: Mallett was a true freshman when he played here. Think about that: we'd have had a sophomore QB in Rich Rod's first year and probably have retained Manningham. Instead, we had Sheridammit and a platoon of receivers. Instead of two freshmen (again) in '09, we'd have had a junior returning starter. And last year, we'd still have had one of college football's best QBs.
If one or both of those are here we probably don't get DRob. I'll take dilithium over coke, weed and tats all day every day.
he doesn't need "rental" cars. He can just teleport himself from class to class
were "lucky" on UM's part is...dishonest? Maybe just heavily optimistic, which is fine. I suppose that it all hinges on the Hoke era and how it pans out. Had either of those two people either stayed or came to UM, RR would likely still the coach so it is hard to say how things would be today. There is a lot of optimism in the UM program right now, deservedly, but without the results of year 4, 5 and 6 of the RR era, you can't really caculate the true impact of those two players choices.
I really doubt we wouldn't have gotten Denard's commitment if Mallet were here; as I understand it, we were the only major BCS program to offer him at QB; he had sweet selection of offers from other great schools like Florida, but not for QB.
He also would have retained an extra year of eligibility by (probably?) getting redshirted in '09. That being said, what's done is done-- just saying, Mallet wouldn't have foreclosed the possibility of keeping Denard by any means.
finally see some discussion on this issue.
Has this story changed a bit with the telling, or is it just a case where more people are telling the story?
....because then there will be a Mallett Moratorium - not because we're stopping people from talking about it, but because there will be SERIOUS ASSKICKING to talk about.
i am not touching this nuclear article with a ten foot pole.
I'm extremely tired of the Carr --> Rodriguez --> Hoke comparison and discussion about who undermined who and who is the real "Michigan Man" ecetera, ecetera. As a history major, I always enjoy a good look back in time but this topic brings up old wounds for everyone, I think. Its still time to move on . . .
I can't believe how much smoke has been stirred up by some rehashed quotes from the Mallet family.
When do we get to hear about summer practices?
It's et cetera, Latin for, more or less, "and other stuff".
Sorry. I'll log off and take my pomposity elsewhere now. Damn that liberal arts background!
Good catch. I should know how to spell that stupid phrase. I use latin phrases all day (pro bono, sua sponte, inter alia, et cetera!). Thanks for calling me out.
I wasn't trying to call you out. I guess I'm an arrogant ass, but, well, you know...
Listen, since you've been subjected to some Latin, look for a book called "Latin For All Occasions" by Henry Beard (National Lampoon founder). Many useful phrases in Latin like "I'd like to buy some condoms." I think you'd like it.
As for Mallett/Carr: suspicor fatum non voluisse diversos (I guess fate wanted us to part).
Then WTF happened to Mallet?
I am surprised Lloyd's response wouldn't have been more diplomatic. Something beginning with "Michigan is one of the finest University's in the country...
I thought the way he handled his freshman season he was already out the door before the coaching change.
Keep in mind that that is not a quote from Lloyd, but what Mallett's dad claims Lloyd said. Given how flaky his son is, who knows how reliable a source Daddy Mallett is.
Interesting read. I've never heard Mallett speak poorly of Michigan in an interview. Unlike some other former players who quit the Team then ran their mouth. I support Mallett for taking it like a man, making a tough decision based upon what was best for him. All the best to him as he embarks upon an NFL career.
The 'debate' about Mallett is the least fucking interesting one in the vast panoply of debates about Rodriguez's tenure at Michgian.
Also, everyone should keep in mind that anything put out by his parents may be a complete pile of bullshit. I don't think Ryan became the paragon of maturity that he is today because his parents were always straight shooters about their son's actions and held him accountable for his actions.
Fuck. I just engaged the debate somewhat. But really, why give a shit about Ryan Mallett any more?