Arguments against Arguments against Hoke
I have seen a variety of arguments against Hoke being the best possible coach for the job, etcetera, and I wanted to take just a minute to go over a few that stood out to me and see what you all thought as well.
1) Dave Brandon's choosing of Hoke was specifically related to him being a "Michigan Man" and not to whom was the best coach for the job.
We do not know what Brandon’s method for choosing was. How can one imply that “Michigan Man” was of vital importance when Brandon specifically said he was referred to Hoke by MANY people, inside and outside the program?
2) Michigan is an arrogant program for choosing from their past, assuming that will work out best for their future.
Again, the impression that this is an arrogant program assumes that Brady Hoke was hired PRIMARILY for his experience at Michigan, rather than that being, as Brian said he thought/hoped, a relevant bullet point. Keep in mind, if recent performance is much more important than past, as Brian said specifically, then Brady’s recent, excellent outcome years at Ball State and SDSU should have much more relevance on his selection than past years. Likewise, Rodriguez recent failure years should have much more impact than his past major successes.
3) The hiring of Hoke to take Michigan football back to being "Michigan football" means a return to the Carr era way of things.
Because he was an assistant under Carr does not mean he does everything the way Carr does. He has been stated several times seems to have a variety of flexibility Carr never did.
4) Hoke will attempt to out execute without out recruiting.
The premise that Hoke will not recruit well enough to compete with the major programs is ridiculous. What is the basis for that? His recruiting at Ball State and SDSU? Not relevant. Recruiting at those institutions is difficult because of the lower tier of the schools themselves. Because he’s not a big name? As I recall, Jim Tressel fresh out of YSU recruited VERY well.
5) Michigan's goals are returning to the Carr area orientation.
You have a short memory. Michigan had other coaches before Lloyd Carr and getting back to Michigan football does NOT mean raising the ghost of Carr.
These are some of the primary arguments I've seen against Hoke, and they all seem to be full of holes and assumptions. Hiring Brady Hoke does NOT mean rehiring Lloyd Carr. He's not the same guy, even if he did work under him.
January 13th, 2011 at 10:46 PM ^
I thought it was well established ohio state pays recruits and players so the jim tressel argument doen't stand up:
troy smith was caught
clarrett admitted it - no investigation
santonio holmes agent admitted it - no investigation
January 13th, 2011 at 10:42 PM ^
January 13th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^
DB wanted Hoke all along, I just wish he would have hired him a month or two ago. There was that outside chance that he was trying to get JH and may be JH expressed interest at being the next Michigan coach after the OSU game but then the 49ers job opened!
I think Hoke will do a good job here. Eventually he'll get the the team back to the level to compete for the legends conference and to play in the b10 championship games. I hope he prepares well for non-conference games to give us that occasional shot at a national championship!
January 13th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
He had me there.
If you can't stand behind this coach and this team, then stand in front of them and tell them so.
GO BLUE
January 13th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
... has Care Bear appeal for parents
January 13th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
a single game, but RR should have had more than three years before anyone judges his performance as a coach here.
Huh!
January 13th, 2011 at 11:43 PM ^
...you are bringing up intellectual inconsistency on the blog. That isn't allowed :)
January 13th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
don't blame him. Blame Brandon, he made the decision. Or bame Harbaugh for not wanting to come back. Who guided him to it, that's another question. Either way, Hoke at least deserves the chance to assemble a staff, recruit and coach a couple of years before we start pointing fingers.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:07 AM ^
Exactly right. Hoke accepted his dream job. What was he supposed to do, say no?
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<br>Thru all the blustering bs about this situation, there is but one man responsible: Dave Brandon. If Hoke succeeds, DB looks like a genius. If not, DB is revealed to have made a huge mistake in a critical moment in modern UM football history. However it turns out, it's clear that DB made a mess of the search due to poor timing, to say the least.
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<br>Always seemed to me that Brian was directing his ire mostly at DB, not Hoke. When discussing Hoke, he's done what he's always done: base his opinion on the numbers (which in Hoke's case, are not stellar).
January 14th, 2011 at 9:58 AM ^
but that IS what most people are doing. I don't see many posts that are attacking BH. Most are questioning DB and that is certainly a legitimate beef. The reason Hoke keeps coming up is becuase, you know, he is the guy who coaches UM now.
It isn't fair to call DB out for making what you feel is a bad decision without providing your reasoning as to why you disagrre with his choice. This is where BH's resume gets brought up and scrutinized.
I haven't seen anyone making personal attacks against the guy or calling him names. They simply point out that they don't believe he was the best choice out there, and I happen to agree with them wholeheartedly. Do I dislike BH? Absolutely not. I don't know him and I have limited knowledge of his past accomplishments or failures. He seems like a great guy, he just isn't the type of coach I thought DB was going to go after based on his comment prior to the search.
If you like the hire, that is fine for you. I will get behind BH and cheer him on as long as he is the coach at UM, but I will not say that he would have ever been a candidate if I were AD.
To close, again you are 100% correct about DB deserving the ire of the UM fanbase, not Hoke. I remember when DB was first hired and his initials were first used on the blog and people felt the need to be very clear that DB is Dave Brandon not douche bag.....I am nearly at the point where those two could be used interchangably...nearly.
January 13th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^
January 14th, 2011 at 12:15 AM ^
January 14th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
I think the biggest argument against the Hoke hire is that it's making everyone want to say "Michigan man" all the time and I'm not cool with that.