Anyone watching Sunday night football?

Submitted by UMxWolverines on December 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Cam Chancellor of Seattle just destroyed Vernon Davis and forced a dropped pass that was almost a sure touchdown. Has to be one of the best hits I've ever seen. Ref calls a penalty for ''defenseless receiver''. This shit is out of control.

Comments

MGoStrength

December 23rd, 2012 at 9:57 PM ^

I think the tackling style of many is ruining the hitting aspect of football.  For some reason it's better to make a big impact than it is to actually make the tackle.  More people tackle either facing away from the offensive player in order to throw their shoulder into them, go too high, or lead with their helmet, or a combination of the three.  A good tackle should involve hitting just above the waist, squared up and facing the offensive player, wrapping your arms around the player, and seeing the player you're hitting by putting your facemask in their torso.  The culture of making a big hit has become more important than recording a tackle for some reason that I don't understand.

clarkiefromcanada

December 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 PM ^

It's not the "big hit culture" that is the problem, really...it's the evolution of players over the past  30 years with the real focus on strength/conditioning and speed. 

I'll give you an example: 

1978 Pittsburgh Steelers Superbowl Champions

Safety Donnie Shell 5'11    190

2012 Seattle Seahawks

Cam Chancellor 6'3                      232

At his combine, Kam Chancellor ran a 4.62/40 and did 22 reps at 225 lbs. which is very respectable for a safety. Donnie Shell's reported 40 time was also 4.6.

The problem is that the field hasn't gotten any larger while the players certainly have become larger, physically stronger and capable of closing faster and delivering far more significant shots. It's not a "big hit culture" that is the problem it's the evolution of a better and better athlete competing on the same size field.

MGoStrength

December 24th, 2012 at 9:59 AM ^

You don't have to tell me about strength & conditioning.  I coach at a Division IAA football S&C program.  There is no doubt that players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger.  But, just as the defender gets bigger so does the offensive player.  So a larger accepter of the hit should be more apt to handle the force.  Also, although a faster defender will produce more force since force equals mass times acceleration, speed is on both sides of the ball, so the offensive player with more speed should be more capable of avoiding a hit.  Anyways, I don't believe  that is the biggest factor because it's goes both ways.

 

In regards to Chadler I think he is well above the norm for safeties in the NFL.  If for example you look at the 2011 All-Pro team the safeties are Troy Polamalu (5'10" 207), Eric Weddle (5'11" 200), Ed Reed (5'11" 205), Earl Thomas (5'10" 202).  I think it's the execption not the norm to have safeties over 6'1" and 215 lbs.

 

In regards to the big hit culture I still can't deny what my eyes tell me.  In the past I simply didn't see this many hits going high, not wrapping up, leading with the shoulder, or leading with the helmet.  I think the expanded coverage, popularity of the sport, internet videos, etc. have all played an impact on the big hit culture.  Players today are simply more aware of what they look like, what their perception is, etc.  In a similar way that recruiting coverage has changed the way high school kids act today, the same is true of big hits in the NFL.  It's a cultural thing.

SysMark

December 24th, 2012 at 10:21 AM ^

I generally agree with you except on one point.  That a larger player should be able to handle the force may be true on the hit itself but not when that player subsequently hits the ground - the greater mass and speed he is carrying will then work against him, especially when his neck and head slam down.

I'm not in any way saying it should or should not have been called but the play in the OP is a good example - if that hit were lower his head would not have shot back with the same force.

4godkingandwol…

December 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 PM ^

... but he looked defeneless to me.  It's not a shit call.  You can consider it a shit rule, but that's different.  I personally feel like rules put in place that reduce the likelihood of someone being seriously injured are well intended and worth trying. 

MGoStrength

December 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 PM ^

I think it's the defensiveless thing.  If you look at the reciever in the pic he is open...meaning there's a clear path to his torso, head, & neck with no means to protect himself.  The defender on the other hand comes running and turns away from the target, drops his shoulder, and braces himself with his other arm.  It's just putting the offensive player in a really bad and unprotected position.  I'm OK if a defender does that by either going a little lower or if the hit comes from the offensive player's side vs head on.  But, when the offensive player is opened up and the defender is sideways dropping a shoulder and going high it's just a bad scenario for the reciever.  If Davis didn't likely outweigh the deferder by 30 pounds he would probably be even more severely injured.

MGoStrength

December 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 PM ^

I totally agree.  If you're playing defense you're just doing whatever you can to try dislodge the ball there, right?  And, you're looking at a big dude like Davis and knowing you have come hard and protect yourself as well.  But, that's why it's a judgement call.  Intent may have something to do with too idk.  It's not the worst example by the defender...it's no James Harrison.  That's kinda why I think it's a cultural thing I don't like.  It's too much about "me" (making a big hit and everyone looks at me) versus "team" (recording the tackle regardless of how it looks).  Plus, I think these hits will only get worse if they don't police it IMO.

taistreetsmyhero

December 23rd, 2012 at 11:25 PM ^

however annoying it might be as a fan and as a DB that a hit like that gets flagged...that hit and almost every hit like it ends up getting the defenseless player concussed.

and it is becoming more clear that concussions are damn dangerous, and rules need to be in place at every level to deter unnecessary plays that result in getting people concussed.

UMxWolverines

December 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 PM ^

It is true, but even though they've made it a penalty it'll still happen. It's impossible to try and stop it. It's been a part of football for years. I'd like to see Goodell try and answer the question "How do you expect the corner/safety to break up passes if every receiver is pretty much defenseless?''

ak47

December 24th, 2012 at 1:34 PM ^

He didn't get there in time to go for the ball.  If he goes for the ball its a touchdown.  How can you tell a defender to not hit a guy and give up a tpuchdown? Thats just not allowing people to play defense, at a certain point you have to let them play with the risk of concussions or stop playing football.  A lot of research is starting to show the small hits that offensive and defensive lineman take on the head while blocking is just as dangerous as the big hits.  Are we going to eliminiate blocking from the sport and go 7 on 7?  I understand wanting to protect players but a certain point you have to realize football is a dangerous sport, if you want to allow defense to exist you have to live with the consequences.  If guys go low you are blowing out knees and ending carreers.  This was a hit from a shoulder to a chest, you can't do it better if you are trying to prevent a completion and stop the touchdown.  If this hit is too dangerous you might as well start playing flag football because you just can't stop a passing attack anymore.

bleedzblue

December 24th, 2012 at 2:18 AM ^

Did you see the play where the settle defender went low to tackle Manningham? The result was Manningham getting his knee blown out. I would absolutely hate being a defensive player in todays NFL, a safety's job, if he cannot get to the receiver in time to make a play on the ball is to seperate the ball from said receiver... which is exactly what he did. 

To me, 5 years ago that play would have been perfectly legal and a textbook hit by a safety. 

robmorren2

December 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 PM ^

The drug policy is a joke. The Seahawks are making a playoff run with 2 corners that should be suspended. However, they beat the system by having one appeal and one take the suspension immediately. Therefore, they'll only have 1 corner out at a time, instead of 2 at once. That is garbage. If you fail a drug test you should have to sit. If they want to appeal, it should be done in 1 week, not 4 or 5.

robmorren2

December 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 PM ^

The fact that you can fail a drug test and then help your team knock other teams (who didn't cheat) out of the playoffs. It's a ridiculous process. You can fail a drug test in week 12 and not serve any suspensions by week 16. If you fail, you should state your case and have a ruling in one week. Why should teams have to face a guy that peed in a cup and failed?

bluewings

December 23rd, 2012 at 10:07 PM ^

When I was a kid the receiver getting drilled was the QBs fault for putting the receiver in that position, not the DB making a play and getting penalized for it

LongLiveBo

December 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 PM ^

If the gif above really did result in a penalty for hitting a defenseless player I am now convinced that receivers shouldn't be allowed to jump to make a catch. If the defender wrapped his arms I think it would have resulted in a similar hit. What was he supposed to do? Wait for the receiver to come down and push him out of bounds?

ak47

December 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 PM ^

The ravens got penalized for blocking a defensless player that was chasing rice from behind, its getting to the point where I won't be surprised if a player gets penalized for tackling from behind because it was unfair to the offensive player since he didn't see him coming.

GoBlueMAGNUS

December 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 PM ^

The nfl has turned into the nba. Have they forgotten that they are purely entertainment? The real question is will people continue to watch what the nfl is becoming?