pescadero

December 5th, 2013 at 2:44 PM ^

"You don't spend a lotto pick on a defender and spot up shooter."

 

If you can get a good defender and spot up shooter at #8, you're ahead of the game.

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modabomb

December 6th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^

I think it's still a bit early to evaluate KCP's defensive ability yet. I've watched most Pistons games and while he's an effective one-on-one guy, he still makes a lot of rookie mistakes on both sides of the ball. With that being said, he certainly has the potential to develop into a defensive stopper. His jumper is as pure as any I've seen out of the draft in recent years; he's probably going to shoot around 40% from 3 his whole career. If the Pistons can come out of the draft with an above-average 3-and-D guy, they've definitely made a good pick.

HOWEVA,

I've also watched my fair share of Jazz games this year, and Trey Burke has made them a completely different team. With him out of the starting lineup, the Jazz started the season 1-12. With him in the lineup, they're 3-3, with a win over Houston and a close game against the Pacers. He's already a good pick-and-roll passer (surprise!), and looks more polished than some veterans. He's still a weak defender; opposing PGs constantly go at him and exploit his size and athletic disadvantages. He also sometimes makes rookie mistakes on the offensive end, though not to KCP's degree. But he's a good 3-point shooter, and I think his pick-and-roll abilities would make him a better long-term fit in the Pistons lineup than Jennings. That's not a knock on Jennings, who has also been an effective distributor this year, but BJ's not going to magically turn into a knockdown shooter any time soon. Jennings is not going to kick his inefficient shooting habits. We all also know that Burke's got intangibles up the wazoo.

KCP has the potential to be a good player, but I think Burke has the potential to be a great player. The combo of Burke + (insert dime-a-dozen SG) would be better long-term IMO than Jennings-KCP. A good SG is easier to find than a good PG, and I don't think KCP will be as good of a SG as Burke is a PG.

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JamieH

December 5th, 2013 at 1:49 PM ^

Comparing KCP to 8th picks in OTHER drafts is ridiculous.  How about comparing him to guys picked AFTER him in his OWN DRAFT?

If the Pistons were going to grab KCP over those other guys, they must have thought he was going to be something special.  Given that he was suppsoed to be an elite shooter, I have yet to see anything that indicates he is going to be antyhing but a decent rotation guy.  Which is obviously much better than getting some guy who is a bust, but pretty disappointing when there was better talent avalable at that pick.

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TheLastHarbaugh

December 5th, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^

Uhhh...you were the one who brought up the whole "YOU CANT GET A BRUCE BOWEN TYPE WITH THE 8TH PICK! THAT'S A WASTED PICK! YOU GOTTA GET SUPERSTARZ!' and so I just calmly laid out how that is an incredibly ridiculous thing to say.

I want you to do yourself a favor. Look up the number 8 overall pick every year for the last 30 years and tell me how many franchise players have been selected in 30 years. How many stars. 30 years, back to the 1984 draft. Do it.

Also, since you've totally moved the goal post in what your original argument is, let's roll with that now. Comparing him to guys in his draft class is completely ridiculous considering they've only played 20 games up to this point. Comparing him to Burke is even more ridiculous becauseBurke hasn't even outplayed him, and as a matter of argument, the fact that Burke has missed half the season thus far makes him more of a "bust" to this point than KCP.

You haven't seen ANYTHING from KCP that tells you he's going to be a good shooter? Do you not watch Pistons games? Because the last 3 games he has shot over 50% from the field and over 40% from 3.

His shot was off early, but he has shown steady improvement and looks to be finding his rhythm offensively on what is a very difficult team to play with.

I mean your arguments are just embarrassing because you're allowing things of Trey that you're not allowing of KCP. 

For example, I thought Burke was supposed to be an elite point guard? He's only averaging 4 assists per game! That's horrible for a point guard. That's not even half of what heavily criticized starting Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings gets per game.

Also, I thought he was supposed to be a really good scorer? 12 points per game on less than 40% shooting from the field? That's awful.

When you factor in that he's not a good defender it's even worse.

See how that works?

If you were really sincere in your argument at this point you'd be more upset that the Pistons didn't draft Michael Carter-Williams, who looks like the real deal and is probably a lock to win rookie of the year at this point, but you're not.

You're making a bunch of terrible, emotional, facetious, illogical arguments because; Trey Burke.

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