Angelique Chengelis Is Delusional

That is simply absurd.

I could justify her saying 9 and assign the 3 losses to OSU, PSU, and Wisky, but a season with those being the only losses won't result in his head rolling.  Unless, of course, she knows something we don't about Dave Brandon and RR's relationship.

Probably ESPN trying to create drama and dubbed over her voice with Erin Andrews saying "ten" from an old clip.

A more reasonable number is 7

He needs 10 wins OR 7 wins and a vial of unicorn tears.

holy sh-- batman that's a lot of wins. 

unless practicegate explodes into something none of us foresees i cannot envision rr gets fired for 9 wins-   i would be ecstatic with 9 wins and ready for a natl championship in 2011.

I propose a ban on all "X says we need/will get X wins" posts. 

The season is near, and there are much more important things to talk about! 

For some reason that seems to be the major media meme that's developed quite recently. Yes, 10 wins would pretty much guarantee RR another year or more but to fire him for only 9 or 8?  

There is no way RR will be fired with a winning record finally under his belt here. 

The only way Rich Rod gets fired with under 10 wins is if we're talking over the next 2 years.

Lloyd Carr.

DB said specifically on the Huge show that putting a number on the number of wins RR needs is silly. I guess Angelique's source is that other David Brandon who has publicly stated 10 wins or RR gets drawn and quartered on the 50-yard line during the Wisconsin game.

I thought she was smarter than this, but I was wrong.

Yea its getting silly that we have to analyze everyones estimates on how many wins RR needs to stay. He could win 8 games and get fired still if Brandon doesn't like the direction RR's staff is taking the program. Lets just win em all and not worry about it.

My hairy ass is currently looking over the Michigan roster and schedule right now. I will post it's prediction, and it's "Wins RR needs" tomorrow. It will be just as relevent.

I guess she was including a win in the Rose Bowl.

I would be shocked if Rich Rodriguez is not back for the 2011 season. Who is going to replace him? How much time will it take for that coach to get his guys? etc. Dave Brandon is a great AD, and hopefully recognizes that RR has been up against since the get-go and is just now getting to the point where can work his magic.

Hopefully we win 10 games this year and don't have to find out if AC was right.

If RR takes us from 5-7 to 10-2 next year he deserves an instant contract extension.

I think 10 wins as the firing mark is absurd, but this team probably could pull off that mark if you think about it. 

That's winning all the games we should win - and then winning two of at Ohio State, at Penn State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. 

Wisconsin is scary this year, but they sometimes collapse mid-season and may well have done so before we even play them. If we are having a good season, this may be a much more winnable game than it looks now.

Penn St really isn't so scary.  They will probably run the ball well and play better defense than they should, but lacking an experienced quarterback and experience at the reciever position isn't a good way to build a solid team. Looks very winnable to me.

Iowa is a worse team in my opinion than they were last year.  I don't think Ricky Stanzi is that good of a QB.  Their O-Line is a bit suspect and I don't think Stanzi gets the ball out quick enough to threaten our secondary enough to totally dominate our D.  Their defense will be solid, but we nearly beat a better defense away last season, and given that we got WAY better as a team (or so I think) this offseason, I don't see why we can't win this.

Ohio State is pretty scary but I am personally of the opinion that Pryor isn't that great.  And aside from the strong defense, he's the guy that people are expecting to be the driver of Ohio State's success.  I still don't like his passing mechanics or his football smarts, and he's not so fast as to be uncatchable either.  I think on the whole this is a worse squad than Wisconsin's and I think they are going down at camp randall.  Beating them at the shoe will be tough, but if we've been having a good season it's not out of the question either.  We could have beat them last season with better control of the ball and limiting nasty turnovers on offense and I think that will be a big change through this season.  It's hard to call this game winnable because even good quarterbacks tend to be forced into nasty turnovers by Tressel Defenses, but this is by no means a guaranteed L either. 

On the whole it's not inconcievable to think that we could wipe out the rest of our schedule and win 10 of these games. 

That all being said, I don't think 10 wins is by all means a benchmark for him keeping his job.  A lot of things are going to decide that, and I wouldn't say anything is certain save that 6 wins or less is definately not good enough (will mean losing some games we SHOULD win if we end up beating a big name among them). Honestly I think 6 wins or less would be a dissapointment with this team anyhow and nobody here would be happy with it.  

Beyond that, it will depend on all the sorts of circumstances that can effect the fortunes one way or another of any football team. 10 wins may be a decent expectation of a very good season for this team looking at the schedule, but it will by no means be the bar that is set, nor will there be any static win-count metric for him keeping his job.

Six to seven wins seems more realistic to me in 2010 given the chronic youth of this team and the major issues at LB and the secondary.

Next year the tables should be dramatically turned in UM's favor on the depth and experience front relative to the B10 competition, including new entrant Nebraska.

Whoever shows up as Michigan's HC in 2011 (assuming zero attrition if not RR), they could have one hell of a powerful, fast and experienced team on their hands.

is doing his job by saying the right things and being completely unwavering in his support for Rodriguez.  But, don't be fooled by that to think that means anything other than he is doing what is best for the program and the department right now and it means anything one way or the other about Rodriguez's chances of being around after this season. 

I have a friend who worked relatively closely with Brandon at Dominos and the first thing he told me when Brandon got the AD job is that he won't hesitate for a second to change things if he thinks it's in the best interest of the company.  He was willing to completely change their main product when he thought it was right, but didn't go around saying the previous product was bad until he was ready to change it. 

So, basically, the thought around here that Brandon's presence is some sort of security blanket for Rodriguez is off base in my opinion.  He was a lot safer with Bill Martin who's legacy and reputation are on the line with Rodriguez.

I dunno. Brandon seems to be very shrewd. I think he is aware of what kind of turmoil it would throw our program into for the next several years if we change coaches yet again. Considering the level of talent that this team will have returning for 2011, in addition to RR's quality recruiting during two losing seasons, I think DB will err on the side of leniency if he has to make a choice regarding the head coaching job in the next offseason.

Assuming the team stays relatively healthy and there are no major distractions off the field, I think RichRod is definitely safe so long as he reaches a bowl game.

and keep his job if the team looks like it's improving. Book it. Brandon is behind him, knows football, and knows this team is worlds better in a year than this year. Too much invested. 

Have always like Angelique, but this--frankly--surprises me. 

RR needs to win the national championship.

.......put the bong down.

either on misreporting OR on her editors demanding a sensational statement to sell papers.

of the team and provided some unique commentary, but I have been reading and listening to her for years and she really isn't an "insider" in any regard.  She is a beat reporter assigned to cover Michigan football, that is really all, so I would not look at it as her knowing something that nobody else does.

RR does not need 10 wins to keep his job. 8-4 with a win over OSU or MSU will do it, barring a historic meltdown in a bowl game or additional NCAA related difficulties.  While I think Brandon and company fear a dismal or even mediocre season, I think they fear starting from scratch even more.  Along those lines, 7-5 with a win over Sparty probably brings him back for at least another year.

Not to expect to little, but if he needs 10 wins to keep his job, he might as well start looking now.  I expect a lot of progress with this team, but come on, there is some work to do here. 10 wins and RR not only keeps his job, but is hired as GM of the Pistons, is elected Governer, has a Jimmy Johns sub named after him and gets a statue outside the Big House.

A guy on the 11 o'clock news said this same thing the other night, citing insider sources. I cursed him out for about 2 minutes after that. I don't think there is anything to it and I think that the number has been growing as we get closer to the season. If we win 8 games with a couple of important wins and maybe an upset or two, people will be reasonably happy and start calming down again.

... especially if Denard is starting and showing good skills and great potential.  Perhaps 6 wins if Devin Gardner shows flashes of brilliance.

Brandon knows that there's only a handful of coaches in the country that can really coach the read-option express.  He's got one of them.  And Brandon also knows that its going to take something along these lines to beat tOSU and the SEC.  

So 10 wins Angelique?  You are usually fair, but on this one you are way, way wrong.

...this meme back:

sbell021 @chengelis btw- not sure if you heard, but according to message boards, you told ESPN that RR is fired if he wins less than 10. Yay internet

chengelis @sbell021 That is not exactly what I said. I do recall saying no magic number but 8,9,10 would help.

sbell021 @chengelis haha I know. Was just pointing out the absurdity of the internet fanbase taking part of what u said, twisting and running w/ it.

chengelis @sbell021 Oh, I know, and that's OK. That's why I love the boards. Makes it all more fun

Angelique = Good sport.