ADC: Time for a change at the top
January 11th, 2011 at 6:35 PM ^
I don't love that DB wasted nearly two months to make the hire but am open to thinking that hoke could be a winner. What about the RR supporters who vilified those who questioned the coach? Different rules now?
January 11th, 2011 at 6:41 PM ^
Who said you couldn't question RR? Nobody. Even RR supporters have had their disagreements with the defensive staffing etc. DB took an improving situation and made it far worse.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:11 PM ^
Is this a joke?
January 11th, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^
DahBlue, If any RR supporter actually said we should stick by RR "because he's the coach" then yeah, they were really dumb. Same goes for anybody demanding he be fired because "this is Michigan."
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<br>Are you STILL trying to assert that MGoBubble theory wherein anybody not on your side of the argument is being totally illogical and isn't listening to reason or whatever? Funny thing about confirmation bias is it both ways.
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<br>There is no vast conspiracy of RR supporters out to silence all opposition. Most RR supporters were fairly reasonable in thier decision making process. Most RR antagonists were reasonable in THEIR decision making process. Both sides looked at the same data and reached different conclusions. It happens all the time. Please stop dismissing all argument against you by shelving it into some fictional, conspiratorial "MGoBubble."
January 11th, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^
LOL. Isn't everybody "all in" now?
January 11th, 2011 at 9:11 PM ^
I'm guessing you didn't read the majority of pro-RR points. By the way, I got negged 1000 because I disagreed with a former mod and quoted his insult of me. So yes, there is an active effort to silence opposing views. Hypocrisy is the flavor of the day here
January 12th, 2011 at 8:37 AM ^
You fucking amaze me dahblue, your hubris is just breathtaking.
January 12th, 2011 at 1:00 PM ^
If judging a coach based on his performance is hubris...then that's me.
If calling out hypocrites, who screamed "not a fan" at anyone who questioned RR and now cry that Hoke is bad, is hubris...then that's me.
There are a lot of folks today having a hard time reconciling their shitty behavior on this blog with what they're typing today. Practice what you preach.
January 12th, 2011 at 9:18 AM ^
No, you got negged 1000 points because you're accusing an entire group of people of being unreasonable jackanapes and part of some kind of secret consipratorial agenda against you and they really aren't fond of being named mindless drones.
Newsflash: if you tell people they're being unreasonable zombies they probably aren't going to be all that quick to posbang you.
Honestly, you're like that Angry Religious Guy who shouts how "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! SINNERS REPENT" on the Diag and then wonders why nobody will be friends with him.
January 11th, 2011 at 7:07 PM ^
Stop lumping people who disagree with the hire with zealots who don't listen to reason. I wish Hoke the best, but by any objective metric Brandon screwed this up. He deserves to be held accountable if this doesn't work out, and probably had already has lost quite a bit of faith amongst most UM faithful
January 11th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
Vilify "us" Rodriguez supporters away. The fact is that Hoke is not nearly as talented as Rodriguez. Maybe he'll win more, which I guess is what it's all about(?), but he can't hold Rodriguez's jock when it comes to coaching knowledge. And I think most people would agree this to be true. Brandon did not hire/keep the most talented coach, he hired the safest choice to appease the vocal fan "base."
January 11th, 2011 at 9:10 PM ^
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Rich rod may be more knowledgable on offense, but I never heard an intelligent response when he was questioned about why the d was so bad. Just: "I'll look over film with the staff" and saying how the talent sucked.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:20 PM ^
You know this to be true? You've actually sat down with each coach and had philosophical discussions about the art of coaching college football and came away with the impression that RR was far more talented of a coach?
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<br>It cracks me up how everyone acts like they know all about BH when before last week many of us have never heard of him or even knew that he ha coached at Michigan before. I don't know if he's a good coach or not, but I'm at least willing to find out, cause right now that's all we've got.
January 12th, 2011 at 6:47 AM ^
for your stating that "Hoke is not nearly as talented as Rodriguez." Hoke has turned around two crappy football programs. Hoke's SDSU team (year 2), on paper, would destroy Rodriguez's last Michigan team (year 3). SDSU had no losses by more than 5 points including a 5 point loss to undefeated TCU - at TCU. If Hoke can get San Diego Freakin State to a higher level than Michigan in a couple years, he's a better choice than Rodriguez. Hoke also made a similar turnaround at Ball State leading them to their best record EVER. He was MAC coach of the year and now MWC coach of the year. Former Michigan players coached by Hoke - including Woodson and Brady -- love the Hoke hire.
All coaching hires are a gamble. And Hoke isn't flashy or a big name. But he appears to be a great coach and deserves a chance.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:59 AM ^
Stop saying there "is no basis" for the clam that Hoke is relatively untalented. The proof is in the pudding. I don't want to sound like a broken record but the fact is that, in any field and particularly in football coaching, talent is identified early on. Those who are undistinguished in their field of choice in their early fifties don't generally become so later. The field generally recognizes talent. Rich Rodriguez was a distinguished coach as a coordinator at Clemson before he was 40. He is five years younger than Brady Hoke, who would not have this job if he didn't know a few famous alums. Old players, carrying water for their old coach, are happy with the hire. So what? That doesn't make it good or make an undistinguished 52 year-old some kind of diamond in the rough.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:04 PM ^
It's fandom, politics, everything's the same. What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander. My guy, you're all wrong for being critical. I don't like your guy, I have the right to complain. Don't need to look any further than Miles. For some he went from candidate enemy #1 following Brian's lead to OMG he wants to come here?!? We are going to be SO awesome, back to he doesn't want to come here, good riddance. Memories are short. And selective.
January 11th, 2011 at 6:58 PM ^
If we all complain some more things will change!
January 11th, 2011 at 6:59 PM ^
Jeez - Give the guy a chance. Hoke's former players seem to love him.
January 11th, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^
I'm a RR supporter who will support Hoke. I'll have to reserve judgment. It's premature, but it is hard to ignore the fact that this hire was utterly uninspiring. I will have faith... But if denard transfers make no mistake, I will cry and might break up with my gf, blaming her for all this bad luck.
January 11th, 2011 at 7:48 PM ^
...will have to resign as well since Brandon surely obtained her clearance at every step of the process.
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<br>Give it up people. The RichRod experiment flamed out and caused the administration to move back to comfortable ground.
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<br>Get on board or don't. Your choice.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:05 PM ^
Would have the most sensible post of the day.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^
Right on
January 11th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^
If the hoke haters lived by their own words (during RR), they'd scream at themselves that they aren't 'real fans' and need to be 'all in'.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:12 PM ^
So it's Lloyd football - take it or leave it?
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<br>I'll need some time to meditate on this. But thanks for clearing this up.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:22 AM ^
This is incredibly dumb.
I was a huge Rich Rod supporter while he was here, but he's gone. Hoke is our coach now, and we need to give him our full support as a fan base.
If you bitch, moan, and spout things like, "Fire Brandon," or, "Fire Hoke/Hoke's unfit to be coach at Michigan," then you're just as bad as the idiots who wanted Rich Rod gone from day 1.
January 12th, 2011 at 6:45 AM ^
People need to realize that getting behind Hoke doesn't mean you can't question DB. If there are people here that can't admit there were plenty of candidates out there better than BH they are being as blatantly ignorant as I have seen a poster on this blog ever.
If we can bring ourselves to admit that, while coming to terms with the fact that he is our coach regardless so we will support him, I don't think we are doing BH any disservice.
Now that we admit that however, we also can judge DB on his first major decision since becoming AD. He has admitted in the aftermath of this process that BH was his #1 option. So in a time when we needed a big splash and our AD unleashed a national search after Jan. 1st which wasted time and money, he find out always intended on getting a guy who everyone knew would have jumped at the job if offered in an email and would have likely took it at the end of November.
This whole thing has been a giant cluster fu#k from the timeline to it's reprecussions on recruiting to the decision itself.
Brady Hoke is my man now and I will support him as long as he is HC at UM, but I won't burry my head in the sand and say he was the best option out there. Knowing that he wasn't tells me that DB has no fu*king idea what he is doing if BH was his #1 option (which is what he has done). So either DB is a damn liar (which he could be) or he knows absolutely nothing about football (which could also be). Either way, he has proven to me throughout ths process that he is not the AD I hoped he would be, and he does not have my support.
January 12th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
That's all well and good, ok, but what the fuck is the point?
People didn't like "The ProcessTM?" Alright, but Hoke is our coach now, and bitching about what happened solves nothing.
You might as well scream into a vacuum.
I'm not saying you can't bitch, I'm just saying it's completely unproductive, a waste of time, and stupid.