4* West Bloomfield Viper Lance Dixon cancels OV to Michigan next week
Per Steve Lorenz. This will be the third straight year year UM has missed on it's top Viper target after Willie Gay and Otis Reese in 2016 and 2017. On top of that he is an in-state recruit coached by alum Ronald Bellamy. For him to not even want to official visit after already losing out on guys like Logan Brown, Devontae Dobbs, Julian Barnett, etc. is just sad.
No, you're definitely really really mad and it makes me really really happy.
Why would I be mad? With as wrong as you were about Beilein and the basketball team, I’m excited for the football team to be playing for a national championship this year
I don't care why you're mad, but you are. If you weren't you wouldn't be dropping f bombs and calling people cunts and assholes and screaming about bans. I hope the football team is playing for a national title this year. Has nothing to do with getting their clocks cleaned on the recruiting trail over the last 12 months though. That you can't understand the difference proves how stupid you are.
I can assure you I am very happy while telling you to fuck off. I’m also happy calling you a cunt. You aren’t important enough to make me mad. I can also assure you that you don’t want the football team in the national championship game. That would mean you were wrong all over again and you would have to either leave or start posting under another name like you did with basketball. It kills you that you were undeniably wrong about everything you said about Beilein and you don’t want that to happen with football too. You are hoping beyond hope that Harbaugh fails. You’re a miserable fuck who has decided to bring your cancer shitposting to MGoBlog. You can still fuck off
Awww look at this mad little keyboard warrior. What a cutie pie. He thinks he's tough and all lol.
Dude... you’re the epitome of #MadOnline .. every negative thing you can find to post, you do. I can’t think of a single positive post you’ve ever made. I’m frankly not sure why you’re still here.
Whatever Cunty McCunterson, I am pretty sure you would be the one getting your teeth knocked in if you even still have them. You're a cunt, no matter what handle you use on this blog you're such a cunt that everyone immediately knows who you are.
Maybe he holds a OV for later in season just in case he wants visit who's not currently in his top 5 (cause you know recruiting is very fluid). You getting bent out of shape over a visit. Come down and got out and enjoy life.
They can't even "miss" on him for like 6 months. Save your tears.
What?!?!? Bluey/Maizen is the OP and whining about recruiting? I am shocked, this is my shocked face. Wait til the fall when Hudson is getting his mail delivered in the opposing teams backfield. If that doesn’t convince Dixon to go to UM, then we are better off with someone else. Not even remotely concerned about the defense. Have a Coke and a smile, it’s beautiful outside.
Still wondering why you didn’t make a post about Trevor Keegan earlier this week. I’ll hang up and listen.
He also didn’t post about the visit this weekend by the #1 athlete (Crouch) or the visit next week by 5* Hinton with his 5* younger brother in tow. Good news just doesn’t interest Bluey/Maizen.
Cancelling an official visit, especially one by someone who can make the 45-minute trip to campus whenever, simply doesn't seem like a big deal, but I suppose if we're being asked to panic and run around screaming, we should nominate someone to do that.
Ok, when is he rescheduling, because Lorenz said it's "iffy at best" he makes it back to campus again before he decides. Wiltfong, Trieu, and Lorenz all have crystal balls in for PSU. Just curious when is the appropriate time to panic given that UM is getting it's clocks cleaned in-state. Just wondering.
Maybe when it actually matters? Michigan has dominated in-state recruiting for quite a while, and it’s gotten us nothing. I really don’t care if we get a 4* in state guy or if we go to Georgia and get a 4* guy or go to New Jersey and get a 4* guy or if we go to Pennsylvania or Ohio and get an underrated 3* guy.
As long as the coaching staff is going out and getting guys who are good at playing football, then there is no reason to panic. None. Whatsoever. Which is why you get ridiculed for your incredibly whiney and pathetic takes. It. Does. Not. Matter.
Michigan will get theirs, just like they always do, and the team will be fine.
Good football players are correlated with high recruiting rankings. You claiming that Michigan always gets theirs (no the don't) and that we'll be fine (have lost 14 of 15 to OSU, 8 of 10 to MSU, and haven't won the B1G in 14 years) is just laughable. Michigan football hasn't been fine for a long time and losing out on players in the state it's supposed to be easiest to recruit is very concerning to me. But by all means keep ridiculing me for ridiculing our underachieving football program.
No, no they actually arent. The recruiting ranking of individual players is incredibly flawed, and not at all accurate.
Khaleke Hudson should not have been a 3*
Jake Ryan should not have been a 3*
Graham Glasgow shouldn’t have been unranked.
Higdon should not have been a 3*.
Jordan Kovacs shouldn’t have been unranked.
It also goes the opposite way.
Shane Morris should not have been a 4/5*
Derrick Green should not have been a 5*
Terry Richardson should not have been a 4*
Kugler should not have been a 4*
Will Campbell should not have been a 5*
Ondre Pipkins should not have been a 5*.
The list goes on and on. And that’s just Michigan. I won’t even get into players like Le’Veon Bell who was ranked 1,714th in the country. Or JJ Watt who was a 2* TE.
Do you know what the rankings ACTUALLY correlate to? There are 32 5*s. That number is intentional to relate to the number of 1st round picks in the NFL. The recruiting sites are projecting those 32 players to be drafted in the 1st round of the NFL. Now go ahead and tell me the number of those players that get drafted AT ALL.
Sure, you can point to the percent of 5*s compared to the % of 4*s and so on. But that only works when you’re looking at the numbers of an entire group of those ranked players. But we aren’t talking about entire groups. We are talking about individual players.
A player being ranked 100th doesn’t mean he will be any better than a player ranked 800th. There are far too many factors that go into the ranking system and then the factors that go into the players success for those numbers to mean anything at all.
Let me ask you this.
Would you take a 3* Higdon, or a 5* Derrick Green? Who is better? I mean, recruiting rankings correlate to better players according to you. So why do all of these fantastic players get ranked so low, while all these terrible players get ranked high? Oh? It’s an incredibly flawed system you say? We shouldn’t take recruiting rankings of an individual recruit as if it were holy scripture? Wow. What an idea.
Funny that you bring up our record against MSU (who we out-recruit every year) or that we haven’t won the B1G in 14 years (when we out-recruit the rest of the B1G except OSU). It’s almost like there are more important things than where recruits are ranked, like getting good football players that are coachable.
Tell Nick Saban and Urban Meyer recruiting rankings don’t matter. Where did our class finish again last year? Where is it ranked right now. Oh that’s right we’ll be fine though fine. LOL.
Bluey,
Please see my comment below. Do you think that by telling everyone, incessantly, that things WILL NOT BE FINE that you're helping them be fine? If someone chooses to believe that, despite the class ranking last year, Michigan football will be fine, why does it bother you so much? I get that one could have a debate about whether recruiting rankings matter, but as I ask below ... What is it that you're trying to accomplish in here?
Nick Saban and Urban Meyer agree. Which is why both coaches offer tons of 4* and 3* players every year.
They don’t recruit players because of where they’re ranked, they recruit players who are good at football. They evaluate players on their own and offer players they deem to be good enough to play at their respective schools.
They just recruit good players. Sure, a lot of them happen to be ranked high. I’m sure OSU could do better than recruiting the 45th ranked safety, but they chose to go to Maryland and get this kid to commit to their team. There are probably half a dozen or safeties ranked higher than this kid they could have gotten, but they wanted this kid more. Why? Because recruiting rankings of an individual player don’t actually matter and don’t have any direct correlation to how good he is.
Do you think OSU fans are freaking out because Urban Meyer recruited the 45th ranked safety in the country while the 32nd ranked safety in the nation is in state and committed to Kentucky? I mean, he’s ranked a whole 300 spots higher.
At the end of the day I’m going to trust a staff full of college coaches (many of which have NFL experience in our case) to be able to evaluate talent on their own and figure out who the best kids are for their system. Especially over a group of guys who sit at computers all day and only evaluate these kids based on camp performances and highlight tapes.
I mean, none of the recruiting sites had ever SEEN Jack Stewart play. Two of the sites didn’t even have a profile for him. You really think they have a better idea of how good this kid is than the dozens of coaching staffs that took the time to go see him and do an in-person evaluation?
Your take on recruiting is absolutely horrendous. You just flat out refuse to acknowledge the flaws in the system. You’re so hell bent on defending the system that you’re judging the recruiting capabilities of the staff and the talent of these recruits before they even graduate high school. Let alone arrive to college and start participating. It’s pathetic, and really quite sad.
Recruiting rankings are so flawed the team that finished #1 7 straight years won 5 national titles in that time span. Ohio State has finished with the #1 class in the Big Ten every year Urban Meyer has been there. He's only 47-3 in the conference and won a national title. But by all means keep babbling on about how awesome our 3 star recruits are and how our #21 ranked class last year and #15 class is this year don't mean anything. And keep trusting the coaches just like you trusted rich rod and hoke. I'll trust the recruiting rankings because Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, the two best coaches in the sport, do. Does that mean 3 stars can't be good? Of course not and I never said they didn't. So stop arguing about this stupid point.
You’re looking at TEAM rankings, and only using OSU and Bama to prove your point.
First of all, learn to read. I said the ranking of individual recruits do not matter. Which they do not. You freak out every time a 4* or 5* doesn’t go to Michigan and freak out every time we accept a commitment from a 3*.
Those rankings mean absolutely nothing. Saban and Meyer don’t recruit based on rankings. They don’t care what the rankings say. They have their OWN scouting departments. They recruit based on their OWN evaluations. No competent staff looks at the recruiting rankings and chooses who to recruit.
Actually the rankings of the individual recruits do matter, because the statistics show 5 stars pan out at a higher rate than 4 stars, 4 stars than 3 stars, and on down the line. If Saban and Meyer don't recruit based on rankings, why does each program sign a top 3 class every year? You're trying to make an excuse for UM's poor recruiting and it's not flying. They wanted Dixon bad and now they have to settle on a OSU baseball player. It is what it is.
No, no they do not matter. I can continue to name all of the 5* busts and 2/3*s that became starts. All the walk ons.
Once AGAIN you’re ignoring the INDIVIDUAL aspect of recruiting rankings in favor of looking at a large group.
Ill put it to you this way. Good football players are good at football because they’re good at football. They aren’t good at football because of where they’re ranked. Where a player is ranked has absolutely nothing to do with how good he is at football. Yet despite the bounty of evidence counter your shitty opinion, you still insist on judging how good of a football player a high school junior is before he even goes through the camp circuit, plays his senior year, or arrives at college.
Theres more than enough evidence that the recruiting ranking system is incredibly flawed for you to shut the hell up, and wait and see what these kids do in college before bashing them, or the staff for recruiting them.
It’s funny that you and the recruiting sites keep using the absolute top programs to “prove” or “correlate” rankings with wins while ignoring programs that succeed without top 5 classes. You're completely ignoring what else these top programs have- amazing facilities, a shitload if money, and top coaches on the staff from top to bottom. You also ignore that teams that had big dips in success sometimes take more than 2 years to get rolling. Davi Swinney oversaw the rise and fall of the phrase “Clemsoning”.
Its funny too that you liked the ‘16 and ‘17 classes - although they were boosted in rankings by players that have already left or pretty clearly were overrated.
Ok, you're concerned. We get that. I, for one, however, am dying to know what it is that you think your constant ridicule is accomplishing? Do it help you better deal with the personal frustration to lash out as you do? Do you think that by being the loudest "voice of discontent" on the most popular Michigan blog/message board that Harbaugh & Co. are going hear you, and that they're going to step up their efforts to address the problems that you're so adept at pointing out?
I would have an easier time actually believing that you are what you profess to be if you tempered some of your negativity with at least some positivity. Maybe if when Michigan gets that sought after recruit you came on and said, "Good job! Let's do more of that!" one might be able to believe that, although you're disgruntled and frustrated, you're at least objective and honest when you profess to be a Michigan fan.
So again, if you please, give us Bluey's Manifesto and help us all understand what it is that you're trying to accomplish with your all anti-Michigan/Harbaugh-all-the-time persona. If you're going trot out the tired, "I am just trying to keep it real ..." line, then please explain to me why it is that it matters to you so much if people are keeping it unreal. Just cut to the point, please. Do you want Harbaugh fired? What is it that is going to make you happy and turn you back into a guy who, according to your own admission, loves Michigan? Is this persona that you display here real? Do you behave this way with other things/people that you profess to love? Do you believe, honestly, that the way you post and act in here is actually helping the situation? Lay it all out there, please.
If you won't, I think that your refusal/silence is a pretty strong admission that you're nothing more than a 100% disingenuous troll worthy of being shunned and banned.
Can you ban him already . His next Username will be blueymyslef
Wait until Michigan wrecks PSU this season - and yes I firmly believe they will.
Fuck you, Maizen.
Fine. Everything is fine...
Who gives a shit? Michigan is going to get theirs. They always do.
This is a serious problem.
Don Brown will solve it with aggression.
Bluey really is an asshe
Asshole
#maizenedagain
...or is it "#msuizenedagain"?
sup maizen
Did he have a conflict or some other reason to cancel? Or did he say he had no interest in Michigan, so no use taking an official? Or are we left to speculate at this time?
Oh noes, maybe we won't be the state of Michigan crootin champion this year
The best players in Michigan are supposes to go to Michigan.
Supposed
Was DB his primary recruiter throughout the process?
Partridge is the primary per Lorenz. Brown is for sure involved though.
Thanks for responding. 247 lists DB and Moore as his recruiters so I figured maybe Moore came on late and he got shuffled somehow with the staff changes.
This is very concerning. However, i really believe that 11-1, or 12-0 changes everything. 9-3 and we've got big trouble. I just don't see this being a let down season. I think Michigan bounces back and all is well. Bluey, nothing wrong with you posting this.
JFC. 9-3 is not big trouble. Since Carr retired, how many years of more than 9 wins have we had? Hoke had 1, Harbaugh has had 2.
Thats 3 out of 10 full seasons where Michigan WASNT in “big trouble.” Now go look at all the top 10 classes we have had in the same time frame.
We were (literally) an inch away from going to the CFP two years ago. We went into last year as the youngest team in college football, lost our starting QB and our top WR, and still won 8 games.
If going 3-9 and 5-7 in back to back years didn’t turn recruits away, going 8-5 and 9-3 isn’t going to either.
It is big trouble. 9-3 this season will be portrayed as Harbaugh can't get it done by the media and coaches recruiting against him. And honestly, this team, this year, should have a better chance to be 11-1 than 9-3. 9-3 this year gets another recruiting class around 20. That'll be back to back "lower" classes. Harbaugh set the bar so high in his first 2 classes that 20 is "lower". Back to back of those and unfortunately Michigan will be watching Ohio state get further and further ahead. 11-1 (or 12-0, which I'm on the record of firmly believing this year will be) and this is another top 5 class and i believe the tables will be finally turned our way.
And actually, 3-9 and 5-7 were followed up by coaching change. So recruits could be part of the "turn around". 8-5, then 9-3 wont be followed up by a coaching change (nor should they). Recruits will see that as about the best it's going to get at Michigan.
Except Michigan has been on average a 8-10 win team since Carr took over. They’ve always recruited well. They went 46-42 in the 7 years prior to Harbaugh, recruited well. Harbaugh comes in, wins 10 games in back to back years (fresh off of a 5 win season) and winning 8 then 9 games isn’t going to hurt anything.
Some of you act like 8 or 9 wins is just unfathomably bad.
Please stop acting like winning 8 games is an accomplishment. If Alabama or OSU or Clemson or any other big time program won 8 games it would have been a disappointment. Our best win was against who last year, Purdue? LOL. Yeah, we lost the starting QB who everyone wanted benched because he looked like doo doo in every game dating back to Iowa last year. And why did we lose him? Because the OL couldn't block worth a damn and got two QB's injured for the year. Why couldn't the OL block, because Harbaugh failed to bring in a tackle recruit in the 2016 class. And yeah it sucked losing Black, but the fact that he was the best WR on the team speaks more to the lack of good ones Harbaugh brought before last year. You don't want to talk about how McDoom and Crawford didn't develop do you. Bottom line is our $7 million dollar coach didn't get it done last year. Enough with the revisionist history.
The o-line didn’t suck because of lack of recruiting an OT. It’s pretty clear Drevno was the primary problem with the line last year and Harbaugh addressed it by bringing in the guy who helped make Urban Meyer’s OSU O-lines very good.
You have referenced Saban and Meyer multiple times. Meyer did pretty well at Utah and he was not rolling in the 5*’s there. Maybe Meyer also happens to be a pretty damn good coach.
Saban was mediocre at MSU. He left for LSU where he won a National Championship amongst three okay seasons. He then sucked in the NFL and then started a major run at Alabama. Did Saban become a recruiting genius suddenly? Did he suddenly become a master tactician? Maybe having the “resources” to secure the top players suddenly made Saban a miracle recruiter and tactician at the same time.
There are so many examples of good coaches doing well with lower ranked recruits and bad coaches doing poorly with highly ranked recruits that you really have to be indignantly stupid to keep holding up recruiting as the only thing that matters in college football. Yes it is important. But it is not the end all be all.