September 3rd, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
Good for him. He may get some coaching down there.
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:47 PM ^
Braylon, is that you? Your Twitter apology was trash - not accepted.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
Someone needs to make a catalogue of all these ridiculous comments so that we can revisit them at the end of the year and see how well they've aged.
September 3rd, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^
The offensive line comments have aged very well for a decade now, actually.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^
Yeah Florida's offensive line has looked spectacular for years.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:23 PM ^
Especially when they block each other....
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^
Because it's always fun to point out lazy comments that are ALSO factually incorrect, Florida's adjusted sack rate last year was virtually the same as Michigan's while their adjusted line yards were worse. So no, actually, he STILL would have probably gotten better coaching up in Michigan.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:47 PM ^
Does Dan Mullen have a better history of OL? Honest question for someone who may know better than I.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^
It can’t possibly be much worse than what we’re doing.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:51 PM ^
This is a dumb comment. Warinner has a good record as an OL coach. A bad start to this year doesn't change that.
September 3rd, 2018 at 10:00 PM ^
Well I’m only going by actual on-field results. Hang your hat on talk if you want to. I’ll believe it when I actually see it.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^
The man said “MAY get some coaching”. He’s not wrong. Also, based on the last three years, plus spring camp, fall camp, and game one of 2018, his implication that this recruit wouldn’t get any O-Line coaching HERE isn’t a terrible guess. Based on evidence anyways.
Obviously anything “can” happen, but the trend line doesn’t even remotely look good right now.
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:47 PM ^
Really need another OT commit. Even if Mayfield and Hudson end up the starters and are fine, we really need some depth.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
Agreed. We've been recruiting too many guys without the lateral quickness to play tackle. We should basically be recruiting all tackles, and the failures should move inside to center/guard.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^
How difficult of a transition is that? If someone could be a tackle, but moves inside, generally, are they good interior players? I know it doesn't work that way for inside out, but curious for outside in.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:28 PM ^
It's pretty common for tackles to bump to G/C. It's like their 2nd chance
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:11 PM ^
I know a former OL who made the transition from OT to OG. He said the biggest thing he had to learn is everything is a LOT quicker at OG because DTs are on you in an instant so he had to relearn to fire off quicker and shoot his hands sooner whereas OT had time to set landmark and shoot his hands. He said it took him half of the season for him to get used to playing OG and he's glad that he didn't have to learn from LT to RG on the fly because that would make it a lot more difficult considering he has to relearn techniques from LT to RG as opposed to LT to LG. He said it's like learning how to wipe your butt with your left hand after wiping with his right hands in his entire life.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^
That makes too much sense Magnus.
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:49 PM ^
Michigan stopped recruiting him when he didn't well in camps this offseason. Not sure if he would have ended up a tackle down the road anyway. Many say he looks more like a guard. This is probably a bigger loss since we lost an in with Aaryn Parks who's his friend and another top OL prospect in 2020.
Our top targets for OT are Trevor Keegan and Danielson Ike. We have some swing guys committed right now (Barnhat, Stewart) but if we can get a true OT prospect we should be good. If not these two then hopefully Michigan can find a true tackle plan B option.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^
Trente Jones should be a “true OT prospect” already committed for 2019, plus Hayes is clearly slated for OT (if he can gain the weight and keep his athleticism).
We should still target Keegan and Ike because who knows which OL prospects will pan out at OT or OG.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:50 PM ^
Agreed on Jones and Hayes. I'm just not sure how long it will take for Hayes to be ready to contribute. Of the 5 OL committed in our class only Jones will for sure be a OT. Barnhart may be more viable at OT than previously expected but Stewart, Rumler, and Carpenter are OGs for sure. So one more OT in this class should help us long term
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
Life.
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:52 PM ^
If you're an OL and just watched Michigan. Really?
September 4th, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^
Chance at early playing time, chance to work with a new OL coach in Warinner who has a track record.
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
Man, this sucks. I think for this year's team at least, recruiting is the #1 thing biting us right now. Behold the MgoBlog depth chart by class:
It's worth noting that Runyan is really a guard who is playing tackle by default. Normally, freshmen are terrible. There are times when freshmen play well, but these are the exception rather than the norm. The combination of losing Newsome and LTT while simultaneously whiffing on tackles who should be sophomores is a brutal combo.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
Seems we now need to offer some 6'3 3* corner from Idaho.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^
3 star prospects exist in Idaho?
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^
because of course he did
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:17 PM ^
Terrible cycle. Poor OL play for a decade and and half prevents program from attracting enough blue-chip OL talent; sub-Bo OL prevents team from beating rivals. Rinse and repeat. Give it up. It’s over. Learn a language, take up an instrument. Root for a college that fields a nationally relevant, winning program or just venerate UM because it’s a tremendous institution.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
Time to start Wisconsining the offensive line.
Stop worrying about 4/5 star players at the moment. They don't want to come here and you can't blame them. Recruit 3-star guys going to other P5 schools. Look for upside. There is nothing that is going to be fixed in a year. Recruit 6 every year for the next 3-4 years (Always with at least three plausible tackles). Only go hard after high-ranking kids in the state of Michigan to keep them away from rivals.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
Well..... sounds good, except for that last part this cycle......
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:31 PM ^
Yeah that's pretty bad.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^
Recruiting 3 star O-Linemen only works if you actually coach them up and develop them to be better players than when they first arrived on campus.
September 4th, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^
I think a guy like Warinner can do that, just needs some stability. On top of this (and this kind of already happened with last year's class) you need guys to be able to sit out a year to RS and develop. That's the big thing that Michigan State and Wisconsin do that has been discussed on this blog before: Because they have the stability, they are able to allow guys to get that 5th year and develop normally. Whereas due to all the coaching instability here, recruiting classes are gutted and guys need to step up before they are ready.
September 4th, 2018 at 3:56 AM ^
I’m sorry, but you can’t just do that so easily — for starters, Wisconsin is not a verb.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^
The only schools listed on 247 as him being "warm" for were Florida, NC, and Tennessee, and the only school he visited was Florida. The crystal balls were 45% MI, which seems a bit high given that he never visited.
It might have been nice to land him, but I don't recall Webb talking him up as a likely commit over the last 2-3 months.
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:59 PM ^
Michigan cooled on him significantly over the spring and summer after the camp circuit. If he would have committed to Michigan, we would hear all of the standard 3-star complaints (he has dropped to a 3-star with 247). We have better options.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:33 PM ^
Not that it matters one way or the other, but 247's composite ranking of him is still a 4-star. I wouldn't be able to tell you what the difference is between those two metrics, though.
Agree that the 3-star mafia would start bitching regardless.
September 4th, 2018 at 8:59 AM ^
I don't really trust the composite rankings so much any more with the way Rivals and ESPN have falling behind in the recruiting analysis business. 247 seems to be the only ones on top of things.
September 4th, 2018 at 9:43 AM ^
That’s 100% false. I addressed why he choose Florida below
September 3rd, 2018 at 8:55 PM ^
Are we pretending Michigan was still recruiting him? If we are... well this is terrible, fire everybody!
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:18 PM ^
Can't blame him, the Ann Arbor water supply is toxic to offensive linemen. It's the only explanation I can fathom for a decade of horrible OL play at Michigan.
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
He must not have seen the post a couple below this one calling for all HS Stud Tackles . . . . .
September 3rd, 2018 at 9:44 PM ^
Michigan should just recruit all 3* OT tackles and hope that a few will be serviceable. I don't see anymore 4* or 5* OT coming here.
September 4th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^
I heard from a good source Florida was negative recruiting Michigan hard, he choose Florida because him and his family believe Michigan’s coaching staff is unstable
September 4th, 2018 at 10:44 AM ^
That’s also why he choose Florida over LSU as well, they played into Orgeron won’t last long. Dan Mullen is a snake oil recruiter
September 4th, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^
Pretty sure the word is Michigan was slow playing Harrod as a backup plan if we don’t get Keegan.
Harrod had a bad camp circuit and fell down Michigan’s board
September 4th, 2018 at 4:04 PM ^
That’s 100% incorrect
September 4th, 2018 at 7:09 PM ^
Except, it’s not incorrect at all. It’s been noted here on MGoBlog infact in a few of the recruiting roundups.
Michigan has room for one more OL. Trevor Keegan is #1 on that board. Michigan feels they have a good shot at Keegan, so they told Harrod to hold off.
This isn’t news.
September 4th, 2018 at 10:55 PM ^
I personally don’t care what the roundup said, I know his family and coaching staff well. Michigan was on him, Florida coaching staff negative recruiting pushed him away from Michigan nothing else. And if you or anyone else believes Michigan goes off camp circuits for recruiting you and them are kidding yourselfs.