Michael From TC

January 3rd, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

admittedly, i didnt watch most of the game last night but in this highlight video it looks like he goes down by a lot of arm tackles. I think i saw maybe 5 legitimate tackles broken, everything else he fell down or slowed down enough people caught him.

 

I don't like that. Was he breaking tackles and running through arm tackles in the UA game?

 

I have learned over the years that kids that are shifty in high school do not pan out too well in college where everybody is bigger and faster and stronger. (see: Sam McGuffie)

wolverine1987

January 3rd, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^

So, bad example. He had 2 100 yeard games as a true freshman, better than any of our guys this year, and with just as (well almost) as poor a line. His career was derailed by home sickness and injuries, not by not being good.

I think there are far more examples of big kids who break tackles in HS and can't in college (see Green, Derrick, Grady, Kevin, and Rawls, Thomas) than of shifty guys who don't succeed.

Magnus

January 3rd, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^

It's a stretch to say that McGuffie was good in college. At Michigan he was the fourth-best running back going by yards/carry (behind Minor, Shaw, and Carlos Brown). His best year came as a senior slot receiver for Conference USA's Rice, where he had 603 yards receiving, averaged 11.2 yards/catch, and scored 5 touchdowns. If that means he was a good player, then there are lots and lots of good players out there...which really dilutes the term "good."

Mr. Yost

January 3rd, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

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markusr2007

January 3rd, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^

But uh, I like Michigan's chances.

A lot of nice offers though: Wisconsin, Florida, MSU, Michigan, Iowa, Iowa St., Kentucky, Illinois, Syracuse.  Oregon passed on him looks like.

MDot

January 3rd, 2014 at 12:05 PM ^

I'll caution everybody by saying Derrick Green looked like a damn bulldozer last year in this game.

 

But yeah, Jones looked great yesterday. Had no idea we hadn't offered him. He's been on a lot of people's radar for a while.

Mr. Yost

January 3rd, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^

Both HUGE, Both POWER, Both #27

Henry runs behind Alabama's OL...and you saw what he did last night.

Green runs behind Michigan's OL...and you saw what he did all season.

It all comes down to the OL. They make the QB, RB and WRs all look good.

Mr. Yost

January 3rd, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

YOUR argument is ridiuclous. It implies that all RBs are the same. That's not what I said.

And Max Martin was the 3rd RB on that team. Martin and Jackson both averaged more than 4 yards per carry.

Still, that's not the point. Mike Hart isn't Mike Hart if he has the 2013 line instead of the 2004 line.

Chad Henne isn't Chad Henne, and in turn, Braylon isn't Braylon.

THAT is what I am saying. 

Put Derrick Green behind Alabama's OL or Devin Gardner behind Alabama's OL and I guarantee we have a better year and a better offense.

...how you took THAT to be "all RBs are the same and it's just about your OL" is stupid. And I think you know it.

CalifExile

January 3rd, 2014 at 4:35 PM ^

I pointed out the fallacy of your statement that "it all comes down to the OL." I did so by pointing to a specific example of different RBs obtaining different results while running behind the same OL. That doesn't imply that all RBs are the same, it illustrates the opposite. If all RBs were the same they would get the same results when the OL variable is held constant. The example shows that production isn't simply a question of what linemen are in front of a RB.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by referencing Max Martin. Tim Bracken, Alijah Bradley and Pierre Rembert were also RBs on that team. They also performed more poorly than Mike Hart. I simply referenced the 3 RBs who had starts that year.

Mr. Yost

January 3rd, 2014 at 6:09 PM ^

Of course different running backs are going to have different results behind the same offensive line.

Please tell me where I said that they would have the same resuts.

I said it's all about the OL. And that goes for the RB, QB, and WRs.

Mike Hart, would not have been Mike Hart behind our OL, Henne and Edwards the same.

How can you not understand that very logical...and factual statement?

CalifExile

January 3rd, 2014 at 7:20 PM ^

"Please tell me where I said that they would have the same resuts."

That would be where you said "it's all about the OL." "All" means "wholly; entirely; completely." I tried to point out to you that it is also about the ability of the RBs. It's obvious that a better OL will give a team better results all else being equal. If that pedestrian observation is your point we can just agree. 

Finally, while it's true that Mike Hart's statistics would have been less glorious if the various OLs he ran behind had skill equivalent to this year's OL he would still have been Mike Hart.