bo_lives

January 18th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^

This is flat out horrific. That article hurt my stomache to read. At this point it doesn't matter whether she knew the specifics of the allegations. If even a whisper or a memo passed her desk insinuating some sort of misconduct involving Nassar, and she didn't get to the bottom of it, she is as guilty as the rest.
 

Seriously, wtf. This is the stuff of nightmares. The fact that those poor girls informed so many people, who did nothing, is unbelievable. 

MGlobules

January 18th, 2018 at 3:06 PM ^

you preside over is involved in something really ugly, you resign for honor's sake, as the  person who is ultimately in charge. It is hard for me to understand why Simon has yet to do this. 

I had a moment of glee early on at how this might hurt MSU; that goes away pretty fast if you try to read these investigative pieces. I have failed to get through several of them in the last two days. One of the things that seems connected is that there was a general atmosphere of abuse by coaches of these young women and girl; some of them saw Nassar as the sweet guy they went to for healing after being around screaming coaches all day long, according to the long piece at ESPN yesterday. Makes you feel that the whole deal is pretty rotten. 

House Mother

January 18th, 2018 at 10:11 PM ^

One of Simon's quotes: "in the case of medical procedures, those are ones that if you're president, there's a lot of space between you and what happens in a clinic..."

Sorry, if you are president you are responsible for everything that happens on your watch. Take responsibility. Resign...and then be investigated by law enforcement.

ken725

January 18th, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^

Go Blue Eyes

January 18th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

Simon was also questioned by one of the victims who criticized her for not taking action earlier.  Very compellig video. 

I connotate this to the lights being turned on and the cockroaches are scurrying for cover.  Hopefully as many as possible (who were informed of this) are fired.  Alas they will probably get a job at some other university though.

darkstar

January 18th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^

Attempting to reconcile her past failures and provide some comfort to a victim and numerous others who she may or may not have been able to prevent?  Sorry wouldn't fit into her schedule.  WTF is more important than that?!?  That might be the weakest excuse for cowardice I have ever heard.  JoePa has company.

bluewave720

January 18th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

I also don’t think she understands what “straight up” means. If you are in charge and a complaint of sexual misconduct appears on your desk, you are not being “straight up” with your job responsibilities if you avoid actively seeking out the case report that investigates it.
That single comment sums up her utter lack of competency to be a president of a major university (and even a mediocre human). I would be absolutely livid right now if I were an MSU grad.

Gobgoblue

January 18th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^

Every new article written is more scathing and reveals more horror.  Seems like the only way MSU will be on the hook is if the press keeps rolling.  Hopefully justice is served. 

Yo_Blue

January 18th, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^

They've successfully hidden thier complicity for decades, but those days are over.  The press has MSU in their sights now and won't let go.  It's a shame Michael Rosenberg isn't still around because I'm sure he could make up some juicy tidbits (not that they're needed).

ijohnb

January 18th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^

has traction now.  Michigan State needs to start making moves or the fallout from this could get very very bad from a lot of different directions.  I am not saying this to "delight in their hardship" as a "rivalry thing," but simply as a person and concerned Michigan citizen with family who are at or have graduated from State.  They seem to think that dismissing Simon and Hollis would be bad from a legal perspective.  It doesn't matter at this point.  They are going to pay out so much it will make your head spin regardless of what they do now.   Simon and Mark Hollis need to be fired immediately as step 1, regardless of what happens after that.  Pandora's box has been opened and there is no closing it.  They need to move, now.

Don

January 18th, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^

If that's what the numbskulls on the MSU Board of Trustees are truly thinking, then it's no wonder it's a dumpster fire up there.

They truly seem to believe that just hunkering down on the tracks will save them because surely that fifty-ton locomotive bearing down in them will stop in time.

AVPBCI

January 18th, 2018 at 1:36 PM ^

So the people ,leading the inquiry internally said nobody at MSU knew, yet now their saying all these reports were reported to people at MSU, including Simon herself. What a joke

 

Robbie Moore

January 18th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

But this is the deal IMO: The lawyers were hired to protect the upper echelons. What they found was so damaging that the upper echelons told them to shut it down, wrote no report and destroy the notes. And of course, all this is privileged (until the successor administration releases it all). Now the firewall has been breached and it will be even worse for the upper echelons then disclosure would have been. There are felony convictions and jail time coming. 

Mgoscottie

January 18th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^

1 victim committed suicide and another victim's father committed suicide.  In addition to all of the victims of abuse there are parents who took their children to be abused and there are people that don't know if they were abused because they were too young to understand the difference.  It's horrible.

Victor Hale II

January 18th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^

I read that as well. Sickening, just how much negative impact that POS Nassar had on so many lives.

And didn’t the MSU gymnastics coach try to get some of these girls to show support for Nassar? Truth is stranger than fiction here.

theyellowdart

January 18th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^

This is worse than Penn State.

 

PSU was a fucked up situation, but - for the most part - we had a single reported incident that wasn't appropriately followed-up on or reported to authorities, and then a revelation of abuse from a former employee.
 
In this situation we have 8 different women coming forward about abuse of a current employee over a 20 year period (!!!) and 14 staff members knowing about the allegations - including the president - and them doing nothing about it, other than a weak review in 2014. Amazingly fucked up.

gremlin3

January 18th, 2018 at 4:14 PM ^

PSU wasn't just one incident.  Go read the initial Grand Jury report--it's not long; shouldnt take more than a half hour to read.  There were many victims.

The fact that you don't know this and are making judgments is a problem.  

To everyone: please don't judge if you don't have at least most of the facts.

theyellowdart

January 18th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^

I'm not saying there was a single victim or a single incident.  I said that there was a single REPORTED incident.  Vs 8 women REPORTING incidents for MSU.

 

I apologize for not making that more clear.  But I'm not ignorant about what happened at PSU.

LSAClassOf2000

January 18th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

Great summation here - this is actually the end of a well-written thread too, so check the whole thing out: