100 Offer Recruiting Update

Submitted by umhero on February 27th, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Michigan continues to make offers for the 2012 class at a rapid rate.  The offer to PA OT J.J. Denman is the 100th reported by either Rivals, Scout, 247 Sports, or our own TomVH.

With that in mind, I thought I would provide a summary from the 2012 offer list:

The 100 offers include:  

  • 7 QBs
  • 9 RBs
  • 13 WRs
  • 7 TEs
  • 21 OL
  • 12 DEs
  • 12 DTs
  • 9 LBs
  • 5 CBs
  • 5 Ss 

Among the 100, 66 are on the Rivals 250 Watch list and 37 are either 4 or 5 Star player on Scout.

 

Also 247 Sports recently reported that 5 Star WR Stefon Diggs plans to visit Michigan in the spring.

Diggs added that he plans to visit Florida, Florida State, Miami and South Carolina during a trip south this spring. He also plans to check out Michigan where his former teammate, four-star Class of 2011 cornerback Blake Countess signed last recruiting cycle and will attend the Nike Football Training Camp at Georgia in April.

But we shouldn't get our hopes up too much because he also said this:

“I’d prefer to play my college football somewhere where it’s warm- down south,”

247 also reported that LB Camren Williams will visit Michigan on March 12 (does anyone know if that's a Junior Day?).

BTW - For comparison sake it's interesting to note that Scout is reporting 45 offers and Rivals is reporting 40 offers by Michigan State. 

Comments

MGoSoftball

February 27th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

or you will stroke you.  I will expand on my point.  By default, those players that are in the ESPN 250 are probably D1 ready.  I do not have the data for the past 50 years to indicate if this is true or not but I will just let the rating speak for itself.

WIth regards to those that we offered that are not in the ESPN250, obviously Hoke and Co see something that others do not. 

If you must have data, I will give it to you.  Bart Starr was NOT in the ESPN 250. Neither was Terry Bradshaw.  So just because a player is NOT in the ESPN 250 doesnt make him automatically worthless. 

I submit that there are a good many players that fly under the radar that become NFL type players that are not in the ESPN250.  My point is that we must trust Hoke to be able to find these "diamonds in the rough".

Are you happy now? Jeez

 

MGoSoftball

February 27th, 2011 at 5:02 PM ^

Who gives a shit about what other people think?  Just because a player is not in the ESPN top 250, he is a piece of shit?  Come on. 

So using his logic, if you dont make the ESPN top 250 you are not worthy.  What about all those players before the Top250?  Huh?  Are they not worthy?

I am not trying to pick a fight here.  My original point was that Hoke should look at "under the radar" guys and try to find a diamond in the rough.  They are out there for sure.  I can name 5 recent Heisman winners that were under the radar.

The ESPN Top 250 is someone's opinion.  What makes their opinion better than mine, or yours, or Hokes or RR for that matter?  Each coach has to use his own knowledge and understanding to find players to fit his system.  This is not a case of "draft the best available player".

I hate ESPN for the record.  They are a bunch of drama filled salesmen trying to hype their shows for ratings.  It doesnot take a Ross Graduate to figure that out.  Ratings=money.

 

 

Magnus

February 27th, 2011 at 1:25 PM ^

I think it's funny when people always say "trust the coaches" about every damn thing.  If you're always trusting the coaches, then you're never thinking for yourself.

NFL referees make a living out of being referees, too.  That doesn't mean they're completely free from making mistakes.  We question them all the time.  We question the coaches about personnel.  We question them about what plays they call on third down.  Etc.  Why shouldn't we be able to question who they recruit, too?

MGoSoftball

February 27th, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^

with questioning authority.  I do it all the time.  However, we cannot know what the coach knows.  It is impossible for anyone of us to know what Hoke thinks or believes unless we are in his inner circle.  My philosophy prof always said, "You cant know what you dont know" and "it is impossilbe for you to be in another person's shoes.  We all should strive to do so, but we will never completely understand another persone 100%"

My arguement was with the other guy about Hoke looking for "diamonds in the rough".  I do not follow Hoke around.  I do not know what he thinks.  I have never met the man.  All I can do is trust that he knows what he is doing.  He is a better D1 coach than I am, or most people on this blog, save for (maybe) Section 1.

It is very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, especially at the college level.  Magnus, you have the right to your opinion.  No one should ever put you down for that.  However, you probably have never coached a D1 football team.  So if I had to pick between you and Hoke, sorry pal...you lose. /s

mmiicchhiiggaann

February 27th, 2011 at 10:23 AM ^

Its an interesting strategy- I doubt offering so many would of worked when every recruit wanted to come to Michigan. But now i like the idea of getting in early and building a relationship with any elite kids who may have initial interest.

J.Swift

February 27th, 2011 at 10:27 AM ^

At this point, with offers flying out the door, your summary provides the context I like to see.  As we roll into summer, I'll be very interested to see how we're doing.    Right now, If we landed 20 of these prospects, our yield would top out at 20%.   More to the point, in your opinon how effective can our coaches be in trying to build relationships & stay in touch with 100 prospects?

Thanks for the update.

DGDestroys

February 27th, 2011 at 10:32 AM ^

The coaches might not end up recruiting half of these kids. I think a lot of these offers were to guage interest and establish Michigan in the back of their heads. They also want to re-establish the significance of a Michigan offer. If we're throwing these out to elite kids everywhere, the value goes up, at least IMO.

johnvand

February 27th, 2011 at 12:07 PM ^

Keep in mind THESE ARE NOT REAL OFFERS.

Schools can't officially offer kids until their Senior season begins.  The new strategy is throw a bunch of verbal offers on the wall, get the kids in for junior days and camps, see what sticks, then send out the official offer letters in September.

If any of these kids were to "commit" we would certainly accept it, but what is the harm in calling the top 250 saying "You're offered," and then see where you stand?

Send paper offers to the kids listing you in top 5 by September and wine and dine the official visitors.

Casting a wide net makes sense with the new recruiting rules.  Which, ironically, is what the NCAA wanted to avoid.  Goes to show how clueless they really are.

elaydin

February 27th, 2011 at 2:43 PM ^

I've head this second hand from a coach:

"It's not the recruits you don't get that hurt you, it's the ones you do get"

The argument is, if you miss on a recruit, there's always one that's very similar you can get this year, or the next.  On the other hand, if you get a commit you're not sure about, you're stuck with them for the next 4 or 5 years (unless you're in the SEC West ofcourse).

I would prefer a coaching staff be absolutely certain about a recruit before making an offer.  This "non commitable" / mass offers are very Ed Orgeron-ey / SEC-like.

Magnus

February 27th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^

By this time in the past couple years, we not only had offers out to - but commitments from - guys that most schools nationally didn't care about, such as Greg Brown, Antonio Kinard, and Delonte Hollowell.

I'm just glad that the loads of offers we're tossing out right now aren't going to meh recruits.

Maize and Blue…

February 27th, 2011 at 12:40 PM ^

These offers don't mean anything as they are just verbal offers that aren't committable.  I agree with you that 100+ offers the first month of the recruiting cycle does nothing to re-establish the significance of a Michigan offer, but it is the game that one must play now as the NCAA once again fumbled the ball.

I am disturbed that we have 13 offers out to WRs after telling Devin Lucien that he had to play DB if wanted to come here.  To me this is a slap in the face to a kid who wanted to wear the winged helmet.

WolvinLA2

February 27th, 2011 at 12:57 PM ^

Why is that a slap in the face?  Sure he wanted to play WR at Michigan, but Michigan decided he wasn't good enough to do that.  I wanted to play football at Michigan too, but I never got an offer.  Is it a "slap in the face" every time a player who wants to play for Michigan doesn't get an offer?  In that case, Michigan (and every elite school) slaps a lot of faces every year.

I know a lot of people on this board loved Lucien, but he didn't have a good offer list.  He signd with UCLA, but he didn't have offers from the top half of the Pac Ten (no offer from USC, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, or Arizona).  His final 5 included such power houses as Kentucky, Colorado and Arizona St. 

Rule of thumb - if the good teams (not just the elite teams, but the "good" teams) in his own backyard didn't want him, then maybe UM shouldn't be offering him.  If a WR from Oklahoma didn't have an offer from OU, OK St., Missouri, Texas or A&M, but had offers from the rest of the Big 12 and publicly stated that he loved Michigan, would you want him? 

me

February 27th, 2011 at 1:22 PM ^

and people have posted this before, it's an issue of roster balance.  WR is already slitghly overcrowded and UM didn't lose any WR this past year, so there was no need to bring guys in.  When they lose 4-5 guys this year, it will return the numbers to more in line with what Hoke will be looking for and allow them to bring in guys this year.  Lucien was victim of timing, nothing more.  It happens.

 

WolvinLA2

February 27th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^

I wouldn't say it's timing and nothing more, but timing likely plays a role.  I agree with you that if WR was a position of major need and we didn't have any commits 2 weeks before signing day, Lucien probably gets an offer to play WR.  However, if WR was such a need, there probably would have been a slew of other receivers we went after, meaning Lucien still may not have gotten an offer. 

I think the biggest reason we didn't offer Lucien was because we didn't think he was good enough.  Not needing a WR in the class only made it easier. 

DGDestroys

February 27th, 2011 at 10:31 AM ^

Do you know which one I'm missing? I got 99 right now.

Also of note, me thinks, is that both Florida State and Auburn have offered Jordan Diamond recently. If you don't already, I hope you now understand how big of a deal this kid is....

Mich1993

February 27th, 2011 at 10:54 AM ^

I find it interesting there aren't a lot of safeties being offered.  My view is that FS, DT and OL are the most critical postions of need, and we are certainly offering a high number of DT/DE and OL.  However, the FS recruiting appears to be more geared toward trying to add 1 top recruit vs. looking for lots of help.

The optimist in me is starting to think the coaches believe there are reasonable options at FS among the FS, DBs and other safeties on the roster.

WolvinLA2

February 27th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^

Jarrod Wilson is the non-lineman I'd most like to get in this class.  Really, outside of Wormley, Diamond, O'Brien, and a couple of those other OLs. 

If Deon Bush ends up having genuine interest though, this might change change.

WolvinLA2

February 27th, 2011 at 1:05 PM ^

Yeah, how many offers you throw out at a position isn't just about how many you need to sign, but also how many of those already have high interest.  I've heard that Jarrod Wilson will be tough to pull from Michigan, and he's a big talent.  If I know that, the coaches probably do too.

Also, those numbers make sense for OL vs. S.  We'll probably take more than twice as many OL as we do safeties in this class.  We won't take more than 2 safeties, and we'll take 5 OL if we can.

EDIT:  Also - DGDestroys - you think we're in very good position with Deon Bush?  I don't have any good reason to doubt you other than where he's from and his offer list.  A kid from Miami with offers from Miami, Florida, FSU, Bama, Auburn, not to mention OSU and ND.  If he goes blue that would be one of the biggest pick-ups we've ever had. 

Irish

February 27th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^

 The exact number of offers doesn't really matter, but just getting them out there is good.  The staff will need to figure out where they can effectively recruit and have interest from.  

A good portion of it can be just building relationships with coaches for the 2013 or 2014 recruit of the future.   So you offer now even though they know they have no chance of adding him to the class.

blueonblue

February 27th, 2011 at 5:53 PM ^

in offering so many kids.  It's great to see how active the coaches are in eval the talent, but at the same time, offering in groves seems to lessen the honor of a Michigan offer.  This is just what I think, so try not not to hate.