'13-'14 Post-Spring Game Depth Chart

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QB
1. Devin Gardner (RS Jr.)
2./rs: Shane Morris (Fr.)
3. Brian Cleary (RS Fr.)
4. Alex Swieca (RS So.)
inj: Russell Bellomy (RS So.)

RB
1. Fitzgerald Toussaint (RS Sr.) / Derrick Green (Fr.)
3. Thomas Rawls (Jr.) / Drake Johnson (RS Fr.)
5. Justice Hayes (RS So.) / Dennis Norfleet (So.)
rs: DeVeon Smith (Fr.)

FB
1. Joey Kerridge (RS So.)
2. Sione Houma (So.)
rs: Wyatt Shallman (Fr.)

WR1
1. Jeremy Gallon (RS Sr.)
2. Jeremy Jackson (Sr.)
3. Joe Reynolds (RS Sr.)
rs: Da'Mario Jones (Fr.)

WR2
1. Amara Darboh (So.)
2. Jehu Chesson (RS Fr.)
3. Jaron Dukes (Fr.)
rs: Csont'e York (Fr.)

Slot
1. Drew Dileo (Sr.)
2. Dennis Norfleet (So.)

TE
1. Devin Funchess (So.)
2. A.J. Williams (So.)
3. Jake Butt (Fr.)
4. Jordan Paskorz (RS Jr.)
rs: Khalid Hill (Fr.)

LT
1. Taylor Lewan (RS Sr.)
2. Erik Magnuson (RS Fr.)
3. Kristian Mateus (RS Jr.)
rs: Logan Tuley-Tillman (Fr.)

LG
1. Ben Braden (RS Fr.)
2. Joey Burzynski (RS Jr.)
3. Graham Glasgow (RS So.)
rs: Kyle Bosch (Fr.)

C
1. Jack Miller (RS So.)
2. Joey Burzynski (RS Jr.)
3. Graham Glasgow (RS So.)
rs: Patrick Kugler (Fr.)

RG
1. Kyle Kalis (RS Fr.)
2. Joey Burzynski (RS Jr.)
3. Chris Bryant (RS So.) / Blake Bars (RS Fr.)
rs: David Dawson (Fr.)

RT
1. Michael Schofield (RS Sr.)
2. Erik Gunderson (RS Sr.)
rs: Chris Fox (Fr.)
rs: Dan Samuelson (Fr.)

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WDE
1. Frank Clark (Jr.)
2. Mario Ojemudia (So.)
3. Taco Charlton (Fr.)
inj: Jake Ryan (RS Jr.)
 

NG
1. Quinton Washington (RS Sr.)
2. Ondre Pipkins (So.)
3. Richard Ash (RS Jr.)
rs: Maurice Hurst Jr. (Fr.)

DT
1. Jibreel Black (Sr.)
2. Quinton Washington (RS Sr.)
3. Willie Henry (RS Fr.)
4. Chris Wormley (RS Fr.) / Matt Godin (RS Fr.)
rs: Henry Poggi (Fr.)

SDE
1. Chris Wormley (RS Fr.)
2. Keith Heitzman (RS So.)
3. Jibreel Black (Sr.)
4. Matt Godin (RS Fr.) / Tom Strobel (RS Fr.)

WLB
1. James Ross (So.)
2. Desmond Morgan (Jr.)
3. Antonio Poole (RS So.)

MLB
1. Desmond Morgan (Jr.)
2. Joe Bolden (So.)
3. Royce Jenkins-Stone (So.)
4. Kaleb Ringer (RS Fr.) / Mike Jones (RS Sr.)
rs: Ben Gedeon (Fr.)

SLB
1. Cam Gordon (RS Sr.)
2. Brennen Beyer (Jr.)
3. Royce Jenkins-Stone (So.)
inj: Jake Ryan (RS Jr.)
rs: Michael McCray (Fr.)

WCB
1. Blake Countess (RS So.)
2. Courtney Avery (Sr.)
rs: Jourdan Lewis (Fr.)
rs: Ross Douglas (Fr.)

SCB
1. Raymon Taylor (Jr.)
2. Delonte Hollowell (Jr.)
3. Channing Stribling (Fr.)
rs: Reon Dawson (Fr.)

NB
1. Courtney Avery (Sr.)
2. Delonte Hollowell (Jr.)
3. Terry Richardson (So.)
s: Dymonte Thomas (Fr.)

FS
1. Thomas Gordon (RS Sr.) / Jarrod Wilson (So.)
3. Jeremy Clark (RS Fr.)
rs: Delano Hill (Fr.)

SS
1. Thomas Gordon (RS Sr.) / Marvin Robinson (Sr.)
3. Josh Furman (RS Jr.) / Allen Gant (RS Fr.)
rs: Dymonte Thomas (Fr.)

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Mr. Yost

April 13th, 2013 at 3:21 PM ^

I'll update this tonight after I rewatch the Spring Game and I can pause on the DVR to confirm  a lot of the 2nd and 3rd team players.

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Also, what am I doing at QB?

Basically, I think that if we can get away with redshirtting Morris this year...we will. That said, he'll get ALL the #2 reps in practice, and he'll be first off the bench if needed.

But if we have some amazing year in terms of health where all we needs is someone to take garbage snaps at the end of games...Cleary and Swieca can take those.

And don't give me the "game experience" excuse. He won't learn anything from turning around and handing the ball off to the Hayes, Johnson, etc. who run into the 2nd and 3rd team OLine.

So he can participate in practice as the backup, we can treat him like the backup, just don't put him in games unless you need him. That's all I'm saying. We've had years were the starting QB was fine all season. Hopefully this is one of those years and we'll be fine with Devin leading the way all year.

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DeepBlue83

April 13th, 2013 at 4:24 PM ^

the second best QB on the roster this fall, then we bought a pig in a poke with him. And none of the "needs time to develop" excuses, please. We've had plenty of true freshmen QBs see significant playing time and even start in recent memory, including Henson, Henne, Mallett, Forcier and Robinson. If Morris is a five star talent, he should be more than good enough. You don't stash someone like that on the redshirt list behind the other guys we have. Odds are, Gardner will get nicked somewhere along the line, and we want the best possible backup to go in. The coaches shouldn't be beating themselves up trying to decide whether the situation warrants burning Morris' redshirt any time that happens, and they shouldn't have to play Gardner long enough in every game that even a walk-on couldn't mess it up by the time they sit him down. They need to just have him at number 2 and be done with it.

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Mr. Yost

April 13th, 2013 at 7:53 PM ^

But if Cleary or Swieca have to play, would you agree that it would be "rougher?"

So with that said, I don't understand your point. What's the next best option? Are you just saying that we should've taken another QB last year? Or were you just trying to say we're f****d beyond Devin Gardner and leaving it at that?

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Magnus

April 13th, 2013 at 8:25 PM ^

If you're talking to me, I was trying to respond to a different comment.  Not sure what happened.  Something funky happened with your comment, too, it looks like, so maybe there's a glitch on this thread.

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DeepBlue83

April 14th, 2013 at 9:41 AM ^

And I'm certainly not arguing that we should START Morris unless we have to, but those guys weren't disasters either...they all had moments and games where they showed they could be productive. All I'm saying is that, if Morris is the second best QB on the roster, we should not hesitate to use him as the first backup should the situation or need arise, redshirt be damned. Think of it this way...there is always a threshold of lead and time remaining that has to be reached before the coaches feel comfortable sitting the starting QB down. That threshold is always going to be reached sooner if you're bringing in your #2 guy (hopefully Morris) than if you're skipping over him and going right to #3 (probably Cleary), which means that if the coaches are dead set on guarding Morris' redhsirt, Gardner is always going to be playing deeper into games (not such a good idea). Also, if Gardner gets dinged during a game and has to sit out even one series, I don't want to put a far inferior QB in for even a short time. Too many games hinge on a single play, and too many seasons hinge on a single game, to screw around with any less than the best guys we can put in the field when the game is in doubt.

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ish

April 13th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^

i still don't get why we don't play Black at SDE, play QWash and Pipkins together and move Black inside when one needs a breather.

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Magnus

April 13th, 2013 at 4:10 PM ^

Reason #1: We have several guys who can play SDE (Strobel, Heitzman, Wormley, Godin, etc.).  We don't have many who can play 3-tech (Black, Henry...).

Reason #2: Washington and Pipkins are both nose tackles. Their skill sets say so.

Reason #3: If Washington and Pipkins are your two best defensive tackles, then when they get tired, you've got your SDE (Black) changing positions, your #3 nose tackle entering the game (Henry?), and your backup SDE (Heitzman?) entering the game.  That's a lot of moving parts, and probably not conducive to getting great production.

Reason #4: Maybe the coaches think Black is better at 3-tech.

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evenyoubrutus

April 13th, 2013 at 4:23 PM ^

I think video game logic would move Pipkins over so he starts along side Washington but in real world football, he is best as a backup, especially since "backup" could still mean up to 45% of the snaps. In your opinion Magnus, based on what they did last year with the d line, could you see them creating any packages that would deploy both nose tackles at the same time? Like on obvious running downs?

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MGoStrength

April 13th, 2013 at 4:32 PM ^

Yeah agree...I think many of us watch the d-line and see our two best players are Wash & Pip, but they play the same position.  We want to see what they can do together, but it's probably better for the team if they play apart.  But, the interior line in the spring game got good penetration, Black included.

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DeepBlue83

April 13th, 2013 at 4:30 PM ^

that there is just not enough talent at true 3-tech on this roster, at least not that's shown itself yet. Black simply does not have the size to be an effective 3-tech at the major college level, and ideally we'd keep him at SDE all the time, where he is better suited. Unfortunately, he may be one of the best couple of guys we have at DT.

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Mr. Yost

April 13th, 2013 at 4:13 PM ^

But after watching the Spring Game, we rotated those 2 at NG quite often. I think the idea is to always have someone fresh at that position.

If you play them both, then pull Pipkins, you're sliding a tired Q over to NG and a tired Black to DT. I can see how that would get problematic late in games.

You're better off just subbing them 1 for 1 and giving them equal snaps.

In "and short" and "goalline" situations then you'd obviously play them both...but that's only a handful of plays per game.

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Mr. Yost

April 13th, 2013 at 5:09 PM ^

We might have a solid 8 on the line...plus a few more contributors.

If Clark/Ojemudia, Washington/Pipkins, Black/Henry, Wormley/Heitzman can all combine at their respective positions into 1 high level players then this is a very promising line.

Plus you've got Charlton, Godin and Strobel getting snaps here in there. Not to mention we haven't see Poggi and Hurst.

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DeepBlue83

April 14th, 2013 at 11:28 AM ^

But that doesn't always translate to meaningful "depth". The Dline is the area where we most need quality player development, where the coaches need to show that they can turn quality recruits into top-notch on the field talent. Right now, despite the number of guys we have that COULD play and contribute, there isn't one that's shown talent above the journeyman level so far. At this point, no one can be reliably projected as all-conference or better this season.

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DeepBlue83

April 14th, 2013 at 11:36 AM ^

that Thomas will be good enough that we won't be able to redshirt him this year. With all of his hype, if he's worse than Robinson, Furman or Hollowell, even as a true frosh, that's not good. If he's beating out Avery at the nickel, that's good, but I'd rather have Thomas in the mix at safety, where we need more help.

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Blue boy johnson

April 13th, 2013 at 4:16 PM ^

I pretty sure I heard Mattison say Dymonte Thomas is very good at rushing the QB, and we can probably expect him to be used as blitzer in some passing situations.

Jeremy Clark is an interesting player; by all accounts the kid is a very hard hitting safety prospect and he showed off some of his skills today.

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eamus_caeruli (not verified)

April 13th, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^

How many irrelevant depth charts will Mr. Yost post on here. Is typing names that will change ten time over in the next six months thought provoking or solid analysis? Is it interesting? Is this is a waste of time and board space?

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Mr. Yost

April 13th, 2013 at 4:50 PM ^

They took 2 last year, 3 this year...why do you think they should take more than that for the upcoming class?

Even if you take just 2, you have 7 WRs over 3 years and because Chesson redshirted only 1 of those 7 (Darboh) will be an upperclassman.

Also you have to think either Hayes or Norfleet could move as well.

I don't think taking 2 then 3 then 2 then 3 is particularly bad. What we need is ELITE WRs, right now we've got bodies, but no one (yet) has proven to be an All-Conference gamebreaker.

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