Where Will Michigan's Class Rank?

Submitted by TomVH on

I've had a lot of questions about where Michigan's 2012 recruiting class will be ranked come February. This is almost impossible to predict since there are no constants in the recruiting world. Since that won't satisfy anyone though I figured I would give you a projection based off of past years, and what Michigan's class could potentially look like around signing day.

This is all conjecture based off the assumption that nothing will change with Michigan's current commitments. It's more or less for fun. Don't take it too seriously.

Michigan currently has 19 commitments not counting greyshirt Jeremy Clark. There are 10 four star prospects committed and 9 three stars. We'll also assume that Michigan is going to take 25-26 prospects, just for argument sake meaning there are 6-7 spots left. In order to project where the class will be ranked let's first look at how the class could close out [For simplicity all star rankings are per Rivals].

Offensive Line Prospects
Name State Height/Weight Stars
Jordan Diamond Illinois 6'6", 289 lbs.
Josh Garnett Washington 6'5", 275 lbs 4
Adam Bisnowaty Pennsylvania 6'6", 275 lbs 4
Zach Banner Washington 6'9", 310 lbs 4
Average Stars     4

Michigan is only taking one more prospect from this group. I kept these names on because these are the most likely prospects to choose Michigan. We'll project Michigan will land one more 4 star prospect for the class from the offensive line.

Defensive Tackle Prospects
Name State Height/Weight Stars
Aziz Shittu California 6'3", 275 lbs 5
Ondre Pipkins Missouri 6'3", 325 lbs 4
Danny O'Brien Michigan 6'2", 293 lbs

4

Average Stars     4.3

The coaches have told some of these prospects that they will only be taking one more interior lineman, but I still think there's a good chance they take two. We'll just assume for this exercise that they'll take two. The most likely from that group are Pipkins and O'Brien, so let's add two 4 star prospects to the list from the defensive tackle group.

Defensive End Prospects
Name State Height/Weight Stars
Adolphus Washington Ohio 6'4", 230 lbs. 4
Chris Wormley Ohio 6'4", 255 lbs. 3
Average Stars     3.5

You're probably only looking at one prospect from this group if you want two defensive tackles. Until Adolphus Washington actually visits I'm not sure where he actually has Michigan ranked. We'll go with Wormley and say that Michigan adds one 3 star prospect to the commit list. [ed: It's worth noting that 247 and Scout both have Wormley in their top 100s.]

Wide Receiver Prospects
Name State Height/Weight Stars
Aaron Burbridge Michigan 6'1", 175 lbs. 4
Dwayne Stanford Ohio 6'5", 185 lbs. 4
Jordan Payton California 6'2", 199 lbs. 4
Amara Darboh Iowa 6'2", 190 lbs. 4
Jehu Chesson Missouri 6'3", 182 lbs. 3
Average Stars     3.8

There's likely three spots left in our scenario, so let's say the coaches will take two receivers from this group. There's a possibility that we could see other receivers earn offers if Michigan doesn't land anyone from this list. This group is a little tougher because Burbridge has grade issues. For our purposes though let's include Aaron Burbridge/ unnamed four star, and one other prospect.

Jehu Chesson, Jordan Payton, and Dwayne Stanford have shown the most interest from the rest of the group. I'll go on the conservative side here though and say Michigan lands a 3 star receiver. So we have one 4 star and one 3 star. It's too early to tell if that's likely, but like I said it's on the conservative side. The scenarios within this group are tough to predict.

Fullback/Running Back Prospects
Name State Height/Weight Stars
Bri'onte Dunn Ohio 6'2", 215 lbs. 4
EJ Fatu Texas 5'10", 235 lbs. 3
Juwan Lewis Michigan 5'11", 208 lbs. 3
Sione Houma Utah 6'0", 211 lbs. 2
Average Stars     3

Given that we took two wide receivers we only have room for one from the running back position group. That was partially why I added a 4 star and a 3 star to the receivers, because the 3 star receiver could potentially be interchangeable with a fullback.

This is also a hard group to predict because of the uncertainty with Bri'onte Dunn. As I reported earlier in the week I don't think Dunn's recruitment is over. With Michigan landing Kyle Kalis that helps their chances. However, I'm going to go conservative again, and this time just take the average stars rating of 3. There's too many factors that could play into this and it's too hard to predict. I left Greg Garmon off this list because he still doesn't have Michigan as his leader even after a visit to Ann Arbor. He did tell me that he loves Michigan, but at this point I left him off. So Michigan adds a 3 star from this group.

Recap

The projected class above leaves Michigan with a total of 26 prospects. The new prospects that we've added to the list here are as follows:

  • One 4 Star Offensive Lineman
  • Two 4 Star Defensive Tackles
  • One 3 Star Defensive End
  • One 4 Star and One 3 Star Wide Receiver
  • One 3 Star Running Back/Fullback

If you add these numbers to the current class, it looks something like this:

4 Stars 14
3 Stars  12

Just to reiterate, these projections are assuming there is no change in the current state of the recruiting world, there are no re-ranks, players don't move up or down, etc. We know that's not the case, so there is certainly a chance that a few Michigan commits could move up or down. Both Kyle Kalis and Erik Magnuson for example have been mentioned as potentially moving up to 5 stars. That would change things, but I can't predict if that happens. 

In order to project a final ranking we'll have to look back at where previous teams were ranked after signing day that have similar classes to Michigan. For a somewhat realistic comparison I'll give a little leeway in the stars. I'll include classes that finished with one or two 5 stars and similar 4 stars, just to show a broad spectrum.

Here's what other teams have finished with star wise and where they ranked out according to Rivals:

Past Team Rankings
Year Team Total Commits 5 Stars 4 Stars 3 Stars Rank
2011 Texas 22 1 15 6 3
2011 Georgia 26 2 12 11 5
2011 Auburn 24 1 13 10 7
2011 Ohio State 23 1 9 12 11
2011 Tennessee 27 0 12 14 13
2010 Alabama 26 1 15 9 5
2010 UCLA 23 1 12 10 8
2010 Tennessee 25 1 12 9 9
2010 Oregon 23 1 10 9 13
2009 Ohio State 25 2 15 8 3
2009 Georgia 19 1 14 4 6
2009 Michigan 22 1 13 6 8
2009 Oklahoma 23 0 11 11 13
2009 UCLA 27 0 11 14 14

It's important to note that these rankings aren't just factored in by star rankings. Rivals uses a number of different factors that includes class size and their individual scores as well. Again for simplicity will just compare classes off of somewhat similar size to Michigan's 2012 class and their star rankings. 

As you can see from the chart the highest ranked classes that Michigan could potentially compare to are the 2011 Texas and 2009 Ohio state classes that were both ranked third. Texas had one 5 star and Ohio State had two, so in order for Michigan to get up to that type of ranking they would most likely need to either add a five star or have a few of their prospects reranked into that status. [Ed: if Kalis remains 18th he he will almost certainly grab a fifth star. Rivals averages around 35 per year and have only handed out half of those so far. Magnuson will also be on the cusp if he maintains his current status.] Another good comparison would be Tennessee's 2010 class which ranked number 9 overall. They have a similar number of total committed prospects and somewhat comparable number of stars.

Tennessee had an outstanding class in 2011 as well, ranked 13th overall. If nothing were to change then that's a pretty good comparison for the range that Michigan could be in. Since the Vols had around the same number of prospects committed with around the same number of 3 and 4 stars I'd be comfortable putting Michigan in that range. Since Michigan has two more 4 star prospects committed [in our hypothetical scenario] I would also feel safe moving them up to around the 10-11 range. That's based off of the assumption that Michigan does not add any five stars. 

As of right now I would say that the class could finish out in the 7-13 range. If they get a little lucky with Dunn and some guys moving up when the class re-ranks (Ondre Pipkins seems due for a major surge) they'll crack the top five.

Comments

TomVH

July 13th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

You guys are better at stats and numbers than I am, so if you see something that doesn't make sense let me know. This is just meant to be taken lightly, like I said in the post it's impossible to predict because of all the factors that go in.

ReggieNoble04

July 13th, 2011 at 1:00 PM ^

tom, those are a lot of 4 stars committed .. as of right now who do you see having the best shot of moving up in the next batch of rankings from michigans recruiting class?

In reply to by ReggieNoble04

teldar

July 13th, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^

He does not evaluate. he's more of a confidential agent. He interviews them and keeps things in confidence. Ask someone like magnus or jc3 or dgdestroys.

redhousewolverine

July 13th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^

I like this line: "This is almost impossible to predict since there are no constants in the recruiting world. Since that won't satisfy anyone though." Tom, you shouldn't expect rational thinking and the near certainty that the entire recruiting landscape will change throughout the season to alter our rabid expectations to see ourselves ranked as high as possible. Thanks.

All-American

July 13th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^

Hmm...this seems to reinforce the theory that Michigan isn't going to take a QB unless it's he a blue chip-type (Gunner Kiel). I can't say that I'm surprised with the talent we already have. As for your predictions on the rankings Tom, I think we'll end up in the 5-10 range, especially if Kalis and Magnusson get their 5th star.

You did a good job for a guy who isn't good at stats! Thanks, as always.

turtleboy

July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^

by number of stars you can find examples of 5 stars not weighing as heavily for as 3 stars do against in the Rivals class averages. In 2003 LSU had the #1 overall class with only 1 5star commit, while #2 Florida had 5 5star commits. LSU had a big class (28) while Floridas was only 24 (some numbers list 26) the difference being LSU had 10 kids with 3 stars, and 18 with 4 or more, while Florida had equally 10 kids with 3 stars, but only 14 with 4 or more. Even though Florida won the 5 star battle by a landslide 5 to 1 they lost the 4 star battle with LSU 9 to 17. 

If we end up with a 4 star back, a 4 star receiver, and a 4 star DE, and some of our kids who are trending up get their 4 stars we could easily end up with an 18-8 ratio of 4+ to 3star commits which would be better than LSU's 18-10 ratio that got them the #1 class that year. 

NavyJoe_GoBlue

July 13th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

Which scouting service is the best to look at? I personnally like both rivals and scout. I think that our class would rank higher according to scout because we already have one 5 star to them.

Mr Mackey

July 13th, 2011 at 1:22 PM ^

Scout gives out 5* ratings a lot more than Rivals does. I'm pretty sure Scout has a pre-ordained number of 5*s, so it kind of takes away the exclusitivity. (EDIT: That came out wrong. It's still very impressive to get a 5* ranking from any service)

From Scout, we are in on a lot of 5* recruits: Garnett, Diamond, Banner, Shittu, Washington, Kiel, and Dunn.

news2me

July 13th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^

I take your estimate as conservative: something in the mold of under-promise and over-perform. I like to be treated this way. For me, when I function in the business world it's how I like to operate. The customer usually receives a pleasant surprise at the end which improves repeat business and referrals.

turtleboy

July 13th, 2011 at 1:42 PM ^

These numbers look to give us nearly the lowest score this class could rank this year, which is nice because we'll do at least this well. Godin, Ojemudia, Standifer, and Braden are all trending up right now and could achieve 4stars, Kaleb Ringer and Devin Funchess on the 3/4 star cusp too, and AJ Williams is near a 4 star rating going into his senior year. It's entirely possible that instead of the average of all ranked prospects at WR, RB, and DE giving the class at least a 3 star for each we do end up with a 4 star WR, Brionte Dunn at 4 stars, and a 4 star DE. It would be easy to see us with as few as 8-3 star commits this year, (fewer if kids like Stacey continue to put on weight, ect) giving the 2012 class an 18-8 ratio.

MCalibur

July 13th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^

Proxy analysis is totally legit and, frankly, probably the best approach in this situation. The assumptions that are made are what you have to worry about (grab a 4 star here, another one there, etc). You dont need stats to execute this analysis reasonably, and -- FWIW -- I think you've done a reasonable job here.

 

A ranking range of 7 to 13 based on current info feels right.

WolvinLA2

July 13th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^

I think Georgia from 2011 is our best comparable. If we get the guys your predict and Kalis and Magnuson get fifth stars, then we'd have 26 commits, 2 fives, 12 fours and 12 threes. That's almost identical to that UGA class from last year.

Bluestreak

July 13th, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^

Georgia is a good comparison to make.

 

I also think Auburn 2011 is a very good comparable.

Considering Kalis could move upto 5 star, we'll have a similar class to Auburn.

My guess would be we finish just outside the top 5 (6-9) on the list based on our class and commitment pipeline.

markusr2007

July 13th, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^

His familiarity with the "whole value proposition" of UofM and MIchigan Wolverines football is really helping overcome the negatives that were present.  Also, any negative recruiting and negative reporting against Michigan has virtually evaporated over the last 6 months. 

That may change next year if Michigan goes 7-5 or god-forbid loses to Rocky Long's Aztecs in the Big House. But dammit if Hoke & Co. aren't making beaucoup stacks of hay right now while the sun is shining maize and blue puppy dogs and unicorns. 

I thought Hoke did a decent job of  trying to improve a rickety 2011 class recruiting situation during the transition. When you take over a new job, you sort of have to adopt an "I  don't have time to worry about the past".

 

Vincent

July 13th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^

Hi Tom, 

Thanks for the contribution! This is somewhat OT, but not really. Given the recent discussion about commits visiting other schools, I was wondering how safe was the assumption you make here, i.e. that the current commits are going to stay the course till signing day. 

You know these guys more than any of us, so I'd be curious to know what you think. 

Thanks!

TomVH

July 13th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^

As of right now I don't think it's a big deal. Royce loves Michigan, so if he wants to take a few visits that's not up to anyone else but the coaches to tell him not to. That's part of why I haven't really mentioned it, I don't think it's a huge deal right now. They weren't supposed to decide this early anyways, so they probably do want to see other places.

NavyJoe_GoBlue

July 13th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^

Either way this class is very impressive. This is a building block for even more impressive classes. How Hoke and company can do this in one year is amazing. I am excited to see the guys that they recruited for 2011. Some of them will have an opportunity to have significant playing time this year.

JimLahey

July 13th, 2011 at 2:10 PM ^

I think I saw somewhere that Wormly is either the highest or one of the highest ranked 3 stars and that it won't take much for him to get the extra star, as long as he plays decently.

JohnnyV123

July 13th, 2011 at 2:27 PM ^

This is great to know just to know it but it doesn't really matter where Michigan's class is ranked.

The new coaching staff has done a wonderful job recruiting high caliber players at positions of need regardless of their star ranking and as our previous defensive back classes (and horrible attrition there) will tell you the importance of covering your team needs first and foremost and hopefully get solid players at those positions is more essential.

BorntobeBlue

July 13th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^

Thanks as always for the great work Tom.

One potential factor that could skew this comparison is that you are taking mid-year rankings for 2012 vs. year-end rankings for past years.

As you pointed out, recruits can move both up and down as the season progresses.  But is there a tendency for Rivals to add more 5 and 4 star players later in the year?

As another reader pointed out, only 17 players currently are rated 5 stars.  But the lowest number of 5 stars per final rankings from 2007-2011 was 26 (in both 2009 and 2010).

So either this year has a relatively low number of 5 star recruits, or that number will increase by February.  If the former, Michigan's class will be stronger relative to the talent available.  And if the latter, at least one of our current class of recruits (Kalis) is likely to get that 5th star.

AZBlue

July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 PM ^

I think it is clear that barring any major surprises that Michigan will land the top class in the B1G..and possibly (probably?) ND also.

This is the most obvious short-term goal until results show on the field on a national level (Dallas in 2012 anyone?).  When OSU receives the sanctions we hope/expect this should be achieveable for a few more years as well.

I am VERY impressed with the Hoke/Mattison recruiting results ( = Duh).....as stepping up to the "big time" of recruiting was one of my concerns with the new staff...and something we saw a bit in RR's first full class.

(....By the above I think that RR and staff were not prepared for so many of the mid-level recruits that they would just "throw out offers and hope" at WVU would want to immediately accept a Michigan offer when the staff might expect one or two to come through in the past......)

UMaD

July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 PM ^

Using aggregate class ranks of Scout, Rivals, and ESPN since 2002...Carr averaged a #10 class and Rodriguez a #12 class.  Carr ranged from 4-18 and Rodriguez 10-15.

So, 7-13 would be a typical range for a Michigan class, but an improvment over the last two seasons when the classes have been ranked much lower than 'normal'.

If we end up in the top 5, thats very good (obviously).

SAvoodoo

July 13th, 2011 at 3:00 PM ^

Just a little thing that, because I'm Chet'ing at the moment, bothers me. You say "Ondre Pipkins seems due for a major surger" at the end and I'm hoping that's the case of an extra 'R' and not a missing 'Y' at the end?

Edit: Thanks

Wolvermarine

July 13th, 2011 at 2:52 PM ^

I definitely think this is a bit of a conservative projection.  At this point Rivals is the lowest on our commits overall.  Even with that though, all but one of our 3 star commits are 5.7 3 stars, and the only 5.6 (Ojemudia) is a 4 star on Scout and a top 100 player to Lemming.  He also performed well at the Opening.  Braden seems to be a lock for 4 star status based on comments from Rivals and Scout analysts, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 or 3 others move up too (Standifer, Godin, Funchess, Ringer, Ojemudia, Gant, Wormley).  At the same time Bars is on the 4 star/3 star border and could drop, and some others could as well.  

 

My best guess estimate for the UM class on Rivals is....

 

1 5*, 16 4*'s, 9 3*'s.  #4 overall class.  

 

One thing to remember is that Rivals factors in the ratings within a star group as well.  So having so many high 3*'s, and top 250 4*'s makes a big difference.  

somewittyname

July 13th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^

I think that our defensive class could be close to the best, if not the best, in the country when considering not just # of 4 stars but also hitting on each and every position.

BigBlue62

July 13th, 2011 at 4:47 PM ^

"Sometimes if I know I'm having a bad game I'll take my helmet off and smack it against my head a few times just to get woken up a little bit"

Just the type of guy you'd want in the trenches - willing to sacrifice his body and go a little crazy.

Sac Fly

July 13th, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^

But I just saw this when I was looking up stuff about recruiting. "Jordan Diamond is well aware of offensive line recruiting situations at OSU and Michigan and says he has been talking with Doc Tressel a lot lately" Is this something that could be looked at by the NCAA for recruiting violations? I know this is a huge reach, but Im pretty sure jim tressel can't recruit for the buckeyes anymore.