Thoughts on the ethics of medical hardships

Submitted by Erik_in_Dayton on

I was like many Mgobloggers yesterday in being unhappy to learn of the acrimonious end of Ondre Pipkins’ career at Michigan but also uncertain of whether the coaching staff did anything wrong.  Regardless of the specifics of Pipkins’ situation, it raises this difficult question: When is it appropriate to for a player to take a medical hardship?  Edit:  I presented the question I addressed below poorly.  The question is:  When - if ever - is it appropriate for a program to try to impose a medical hardship on a player?  The analysis below is from the point of view of the school.  I thought that was obvious, but it was not.

I think we can all agree that a medical hardship is appropriate when a player, his doctor(s), and the coaching staff all determine that the player cannot or should not play football again.  This is the Platonic ideal of medical hardships.  It doesn’t require discussion, because of what I assume to be a consensus on its propriety.

Reality rarely fits, though, so neatly into such a category.   It is uncommon, as far as I know, that a player becomes incapable of playing football in the most literal sense.  Antonio Bass stands out to me as the only player I know to have left Michigan while being truly unable to carry out the basic functions of a football player.  We are accordingly left to sort out what a program ought to do regarding a medical hardship when faced with various shades of grey.

To help think about medical hardship situations, I refer below to an imaginary player, Player X, who plays wide receiver for State University (“SU”), a major-conference Division 1 team.  When uninjured, he has the speed to be a deep threat, runs good routes, has good hands, and is a willing and capable blocker.  It is realistic to believe that he can catch 75 passes for 1,200 yards.  To make this all easier, assume that he is neither a positive nor a negative presence in the locker room.

To further help think about medical hardships, I list below a series of situations in which Player X suffers an increasing accumulation of injuries but – crucially – does not want to leave the team.  I’ve done this because I think considering plausible scenarios – but not real players who played for schools we may like or dislike – keeps us grounded in reality but not so grounded that we make choices based on our fandom.  Many injured players will not fit exactly into the situations I describe, but I believe I’ve broadly covered the possibilities. 

A final thought before we start: When thinking about what SU should do when Player X has suffered an injury or injuries, we have to consider SU’s ethical duty to Player X, to its competitors, and to its own program.  The need for SU to consider its duty to Player X is obvious.  It may be less obvious (to an Alabama fan) that SU has to consider the rightness of its actions in relations to its competitors, but it does.  A team that removes injured players from its 85 man roster more liberally than its competitors will likely have an advantage over them in terms of talent (thus the long-time complaints about Nick Saban).  Finally, I think SU has at least some ethical duty to its program – its coaches, players, etc. – when considering whether to give a player a medical hardship.  We can at least imagine a player or players who insist they can still play despite the fact that they have no realistic chance of contributing and who become, at the risk of being crude, dead weight that takes up reps, time in the weight room, scholarships, and fall camp slots* that could go to players who can help the team win.

 

*Poster Reader 71 pointed out yesterday that the NCAA limits you to having 105 total players – scholarship or walk-on – in fall camp. 

 

All of that having been said, on to the hypothetical situations:    

Situation No. 1: Player X suffers an ACL tear, and he can now realistically be expected post-recovery to catch 50 balls for 500 yards in a season. 

I think the vast majority of us will agree that SU owes a duty to Player X to keep him on the team here.  50 catches for 500 yards are the numbers of a very valuable player even if they are not as good as those Player X could have produced pre-injury.  And we have to assume that he still takes satisfaction of some sort in playing football.  We can hardly say that he has broken any obligation to the program by “only” gaining 500 yards or that he is not still benefitting from being on the team.    

I think the vast majority of us will also agree that SU would be violating an ethical duty to its competitors by pushing Player X out the door in this case if it did so to replace him with a better player.  I’m not sure anyother program would cut Player X here (maybe Tom Crean if this were basketball), but we can certainly say that most would not and that pushing him out here would violate the intent of the medical hardship rule.  SU, then, would at least potentially gain an unfair competitive advantage by cutting Player X to make room for, say, an all-everything high school wide receiver or an All-American wide receiver transferring from another school. 

As for SU’s duty to its program in this case, Player X could possibly be replaced by a better player, but he is hardly a non-contributor.  Cutting him and replacing him with a better player would improve the talent on SU’s team but also likely hurt team chemistry and player morale. 

Considering all of SU’s ethical duties in this case, it’s easy to say that they should keep Player X.  Using a medical hardship in this instance would be wrong.

 

Situation No. 2:  Player X suffers yet another knee injury and can now realistically only be expected to catch 25 passes for 250 yards.

I think the vast majority of us will still agree that SU owes a duty to Player X to keep him here just as they did in Situation No. 1.  The same reasoning applies despite the fact that Player X is less valuable than he was before.  25 catches for 250 yards is a nice contribution even if it likely won’t get you on an honorable mention all-conference list.  It’s also still the sort of contribution a player presumably takes pride in making.  Player X has not broken any duty to SU that would allow them to impose the end of his playing days, and football is likely still rewarding to him.   

I think the vast majority of us will also still agree that SU owes a duty to its competitors not to cut Player X to make room for a better player in this instance.  The same reasoning that applied in Situation No. 1 makes sense here.  Rule-abiding teams do not get rid of guys who can catch 25 passes.

As for SU’s duty to its program here, the same reasoning applies as applied in Situation No. 1, though I think we have to concede that – all things being equal – team morale will take less of a hit when a player who catches 25 balls is pushed off the team than when a player who catches 50 balls is pushed off the team.  The player with 25 catches is less obviously succeeding, and so it is easier to find logic in getting rid of him (even if that logic seems more misguided than not).  And I think we have to concede that a potential replacement of the 25-catch player has a better chance of improving the production of SU’s wide receiver position than would a replacement of a 50-catch player (the replacement of the 25-catch player only has to catch 26 passes for there to be an improvement).  So the team is more likely to lose out on increased production by keeping the 25-catch player than it is by keeping the 50-catch player.    

Considering all of SU’s ethical duties in this second situation, it is still fairly easy to say that SU should keep Player X on its roster here.  A replacement of Player X who is better than him could be found somewhat easily, but that consideration is trumped by all the others by a wide margin. 

 

Situation No. 3:   Now things get a little harder.  Player X tears an Achilles.  He can only be expected post-injury to catch 10 passes for 75 yards, serve as a decent blocker, and play a bit on special teams.

My guess is that Mgobloggers are somewhat divided over a case like this.  I believe, though, that the reasoning of Situations 1 & 2 still applies here as far as SU’s duty to Player X.  10 catches for 75 yards is not a lot, but it’s still a contribution.  And Player X made no promise when he accepted a scholarship that he would play football with any particular degree of success.  He also likely feels some satisfaction in what he provides to the team.

As to SU’s duty to its competitors here, I believe it would still be an unfair competitive advantage to dump Player X in this situation.  We might say that a player who is only going to grab 10 passes for 75 yards didn’t pan out, but not all players pan out.  And the medical hardship rule was not designed – nor is it generally used – to allow teams to cut a player simply because he might be considered a bust. 

As for SU’s duty to its program in this situation, I think we have to conclude that dropping 10-catch Player X will hurt team morale but – all things again being equal – not hurt it as much as dropping 25-catch Player X would.  It is relatively easy to see 10-catch Player X as having failed and therefore to rationalize his departure.  It is also the case that replacing him with a wide receiver who can out-perform him will be that much easier than it was for 25-catch Player X.

Balancing all of SU’s ethical duties here, I believe SU must keep Player X on the roster.  He is not giving SU a great deal, and he could likely be replaced by someone who would help the team more.  But SU would be violating the agreement it made with Player X when it offered him a scholarship to play football, robbing him of a still-rewarding experience, and gaining an unfair advantage over other schools.

 

Situation No. 4:   Now we will certainly be divided.  Player X tears a hamstring and suffers an MCL tear and ACL tear to his other knee.  He is capable of running routes in only the most literal sense, and he is a poor blocker.  He gives 100% effort at all times, but he produces no more than a good intramural player off the street could.

SU’s duty to Player X in this instance is difficult to pin down.  They offered him a scholarship to play D1 football.  He can now do so in a literal sense, but he will never contribute to a win.  We could thus arguably say that Player X now has – through no fault of his own – reached a point at which he is failing to live up to his end of the scholarship-for-play bargain.  And it also becomes fair to question how rewarding football could still be for Player X, though it is ultimately only Player X who can make that determination.

SU’s duty to its competitors here is also hard to determine.  Is the medical hardship rule generally taken to mean that a player like Player X can be pushed into leaving the roster?  My sense is that it is, and this is partly informed by posts by Reader 71, who played at Michigan. 

SU’s duty to its program, when considered in isolation, points toward pushing Player X to take a medical hardship.  Every practice rep that he takes could go to a player who might help the team win.  And his scholarship could be used for a player who could help the team win.  There would presumably be some morale loss by pressuring him into a medical hardship, but it would be relatively easy for players to rationalize this action.

When balancing the above considerations, I still lean toward believing SU would be wrong to force Player X to take a medicalhardship.  As I noted regarding Situation No. 3, Player X never promised to play football with any particular success.  And we have to assume that being on the team is still rewarding for him even if an outside observer might question that, because the cost to him of staying on the team in terms of time and energy spent is very high.  He is being rewarded – at least in a subjective sense – by remaining on the roster, or he is self-destructive, and we have no right to assume the latter.

SU seemingly wouldn’t gain a competitive advantage by cutting Player X, and the program as a whole would benefit from removing him from the roster.  But my instinct – and I admit this is a conclusory statement – is that SU’s ethical duty to Player X is more important than its ethical duty to the rest of its program within the context of considering his scholarship.  I do not feel particularly strongly about this, though, and readily admit that I may be discounting the wellbeing of the program as whole.

Another thought:  The question of whether Player X has a duty to his teammates to take the medical hardship here is an interesting one, though one I don’t have time to take up.

 

Situation No. 5:  Player X suffers multiple concussions, a neck injury, or something similarly serious.  He can play post-recovery, but his doctors tell him he is at risk of experiencing a lifetime of unpleasant and debilitating symptoms if he endures another injury of the same type.

I believe SU is free to take a paternalistic approach here and tell Player X that, while he is free to transfer and risk his health with another program, they are not going to watch him leave the field on a cart in an SU uniform.  If the coach of SU wants no part of Player X having to spend years sitting in a dark room because, like former New York Jet Al Toon, he becomes dizzy and experiences terrible pain if he stands or sees light, then the coach is free to tell Player X that he has to play elsewhere if he is to play at all.

If SU is willing to keep Player X on the roster, then I think they at least owe him a duty to explain to him the potential risks and the potential rewards of continuing to play football.  Perhaps a potential top-10 pick could rationally choose to continue to play even if he faced, say, a 25% chance of paralysis.  But he should make that decision with as must information as possible.

There is no problem here as far as SU’s duty to its competitors.  A great many programs would, I think, push Player X into a medical hardship here.

As far as the program as a whole, the question hinges in part on how well Player X can play.  Can he still gain 1,200 yards?  Then the program obviously benefits from keeping him around.  Can he only gain 75 yards?  Then the program might gain by being rid of him.  But regardless of his remaining ability, it is worth considering the potential damage to the program in terms of morale and image that would result from having a player seriously hurt (consider the Shane Morris incident last year).

The issue of how well Player X can play, though, is very small in relation the potential that he suffers a debilitating injury.  The consideration that dwarfs all others is whether he ought to risk his health in order to gain from remaining on the team and potentially playing professional football.

 

Summary:  This isn’t an easy issue. Some cases will be black and white, but the right answer is often unclear – and arriving at it requires a good deal of detailed information about the given situation.  I lean toward believing programs should keep players on their rosters in almost all instances, but there is room for reasonable argument as to when exactly they are not required to do so. And there may even be cases in which a program should force a player to take a medical hardship.

Comments

M-Dog

June 28th, 2015 at 12:22 PM ^

The question is:  In college football should coaches be allowed to cut players from the team that are not performing the way the coach expected (even if their scholarships are still honored)?

If the answer is yes, then there is no "oversigning" and we should all shut up about it.  Coaches will bring in as many kids as they like, and cut the ones they don't think are performing the way they expected, to get to 85 positions.

If we are going to allow coaches to cut players for "performance" reasons, then it does not even matter why they are under-performing - medical reasons, physical reasons, emotional reasons, whatever.  If we are going to let coaches cut players, then the reasons are secondary . . . or not even necessary.  We've decided that coaches can cut players who are not "performing" to thier satisfaction.

But i the answer is no, then only doctors should be allowed to cut players, and only for medically necessary reasons.  Given that, those doctors should have some kind of independence from both the team and the player when they make this decision.

 

grumbler

June 28th, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^

Most college football coaches can, indeed, cut players from the team for non-performance - they have year-to-year scholarships.  However, Michigan gives four-year scholarships, and so the coach can't cut players based on performance.  I agree with you that the medical call should be independent of players and coaches, and should be based purely on the interests of the student.

EGD

June 28th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^

Personally I am fine with the answer being "yes, coaches can cut players for not being good enough at football, so long as their scholarships are honored." But the rules should be clear and unambiguous so that coaches and players know exactly where they stand. Also, the rules should conform to generally-accepted morals and expectations. If the rules are going to provide that cutting players for not playing well is okay, then that should be clarified so that everyone understands and so coaches like Saban don't need to use injuries as pretexts for cutting guys. If we decide those kinds of cuts are not acceptable, the the medical hardship rule should be tightened or eliminated, or perhaps require some kind of third-party verification such as with medical redshirts. But right now, the rules seem ambiguous, out-of-sync with prevailing viewpoints on the subject, and prone to exploitation by hyper-competitive coaches.

M-Dog

June 28th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

I don't actually know what the rule is, or if there even is a rule.

If there is no rule and coaches can indeed cut kids, then you could actually make the case that Saban is doing these kids a favor . . . "Kid, I'm allowed to cut you but I'll medical you instead so that you still get a scholarship."

For schools / conferences that give guaranteed four year scholarships, it should be clear if that means that the kid could still be cut from the team independently of the money still coming in (via a medical).

 

Blue Durham

June 28th, 2015 at 12:22 PM ^

You touch upon the very problem I think Erik in Dayton is trying to address. Once you start taking into account whether a player can still make a contribution to the team above and beyond that which would be gained by offering up a free space for a prospective transfer/early enrollee/or prospect, you are compromising your ethics (which again is what the OP is about). Thus, you begin to expose certain players to risk you would otherwise not do, and jettison others that, if were better players, would be retained on the team.

EGD

June 28th, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^

Well, if what you are suggesting is that a coach would put a player in a position to aggravate an injury so that the player could be "medicaled out," then that would be unethical under any circumstances. But putting that type of conduct aside, I just don't see how it's unethical for a coach to maximize the talent on his roster so long as he does so honestly and within the rules, and does not deprive players of the educational opportunity. The problem I have with Saban's practices is that it's dishonest to clear a guy out with a medical hardship when the player's health has nothing to do with it. The problem I have with straight cutting players who are on one-year scholarships is that they can't continue their educations (unless they can pay). But if a guy has a genuine injury and that is legitimately causing or contributing to an insufficient performance--well, that seems to be what these medical hardships are intended for.

Reader71

June 28th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

Obviously, medical hardships are perfect for guys who suffer a debilitating injury and can no longer play. That is the reason these things exist. A guy breaks his neck playing for you, you at least let him get a free education. The controversy arises because those situations only make up a fraction of total medical hardships that are granted. The majority are in a grey area -- the kid is physically capable of playing, just not at a high level. In most cases, the kid realizes that even if he can play, he isn't going to be a huge contributor and he isn't going to play on Sundays. And lets face it, as much as most guys love practice, they do it because it is going to pay off at the end of the week. When that's gone, a medical looks really appealing. So most medicals are willingly signed by the player, even though he is capable of continuing as a player. Its a really complicated issue. Particularly in the Pipkins case, which is not about freeing up a scholarship. My hunch is that this is all about a spot on the camp roster, which makes me upset at the NCAA for having a camp limit. Why only 105 if you've got more players than that?

grumbler

June 28th, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^

The 105 limit applies only before classes start, IIRC.  It presumably exists to prevent coaches from requiring potential student-body walk-ons from reporting to camp before they start classes - that would represent a hardship for them, since they'd have to pay rent, etc before strictly necessary.

Blue Durham

June 28th, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^

Well, if what you are suggesting is that a coach would put a player in a position to aggravate an injury so that the player could be "medicaled out," then that would be unethical under any circumstances.
No, I never implied that a coach would do any action with the intent that a player be injured and thus "medicaled out." I don't know where you would get that, and why would the coach do that, just medical the player now. But a coach might more inclined to put at risk a game-changing player in order to have a better chance to win some games. That I did imply in the further above post, and the intent isn't to injure the player, but to win games. And that is the problem with the OP in that by taking into consideration what a player can contribute to the team as a factor in whether to give a medical hardship (and that is the basis of the OP and all of the different scenarios). And that is VERY different than the risk/reward consideration a player might take in whether it is worth the risk of injury with the reward being a NFL draft pick.

a different Jason

June 28th, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^

But now I know I don't have an opinion about medicals regardless of the school. My daughter got injured. She still thought she could play. Trying to explain to her why we were holding her out was not easy or enjoyable. Coachs have to try to combine the good of the player with the good of the team. I imagine those decisions don't always sit well with kids and teammates.

Cranky Dave

June 28th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^

This topic reminds me of the scene in Any Given Sunday where Lawrence Taylor is talking to the head coach (Pacino) head doctor (woods) and asst doctor (Modine) about whether to keep playing after concussions. Taylor has a $1mm bonus on the line so argues to play while Modine says the guy isn't fit. In the end Pacino&Woods say if you sign a waiver you can play. While set in the pros I would imagine a similar risk reward evaluation process goes on in college. We might say that we want colkege to be different from pros but I do wonder if the NFL experience if Harbaugh and others will influence how they handle "roster management"



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M-Dog

June 28th, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^

 
In college football, no kid should be cut from the team (i.e. forced to Medical against his will) unless it is a medical necessity.  Any other reason is unethical.
 
This is where it gets tricky . . . determining what is a medical necessity.
 
It's not easy to get agreement.  Kids think they are indestructible, so no kid is going to want to be told he can't play anymore, even if his scholarship is still honored.  There are not that many clear-cut Austin Hatch, Antonio Bass situations.  There is a lot of Pipkins gray area.
 
On the flip side, we can't be naive . . . unethical coaches can always fabricate excuses to make it appear to be a medical necessity.  How often do you hear coaches toward the end of the season say "We're petty banged up."  Nobody is totally healthy at the end of the season, so there are plenty of opportunities for unethical coaches to manipulate and exaggerate injuries for players they'd like to "cut".
 
You can't always count on a straight answer from team doctors, and you can't be sure what kind of "independent" doctor's opinion a kid will go find to prove his claim of health.
 
Is there no independent medical oversight / appeal in the NCAA for kids that are being medicaled against their will?  A true impartial medical opinion to determine if a kid's playing days should really be over?
 
If there is not, the NCAA should invest some of its wads of playoff cash to make this service available to kids that think they are being unfairly cut based on fabricated medical excuses.
 

Yooper

June 28th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

A kid should be medicaled only if he is physically unable to perform or if playing presents a real threat to the long-term health of the individual.  An right to appeal to an independent medial panel would clean up much of the abuse or conflict that is in the system today. 

EGD

June 28th, 2015 at 2:56 PM ^

How is Hatch even an example of a player being given a medical hardship by "necessity?" Hatch played in games last season, so he's obviously capable of playing without endangering himself. He was given a medical hardship so that Beilein can use his scholarship on a better basketball player, and rightly so. Was it unethical of Beilein not to handicap himself by keeping that scholarship tied up for four years on a player who could have played, but whose injuries prevent him from making the kind of contribution that was expected when offered? I respect your opinion, but I disagree. The standard should not be "unable to compete because of medical necessity," it should be something more like "ability to perform significantly diminished for medical reasons."

M-Dog

June 28th, 2015 at 4:04 PM ^

You're right, he probably isn't.  He is not going to hurt himself if he keeps playing.  Pipkins might.

A medical necessity should not be "can't perform very well" though, it should be "we are protecting this kid's life and future". 

If you think that coaches should be able to cut players from the team because they are not performing very well and can't contribute to the team in a meaningful way, for whatever the reason, then that's fine.  But it should up front and not be hidden behind some medical excuse.  

 

justingoblue

June 28th, 2015 at 8:13 PM ^

I agree with your general point here, but even making it a dichotomy I think Hatch is almost certainly a unique circumstance that shouldn't have any bearing on any other case or necessarily reflect Beilein's position on medicals.

I'm with you that there's not a lot of nuance deciding whether a coach can ethically cut a player, but the Hatch situation is an extreme exception and actually nuanced.

champswest

June 29th, 2015 at 9:38 AM ^

he was in agreement with the decision to medical. He had achieved his goal of playing for Michigan and knew he would not reach his former level of play. Other athletes have disagreement with the coach and feel that they can play and are getting cut to further the coach's agenda.

Blue69

June 28th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

to decide who is healthy enough to practice and play for his team. If a player has suffered sufficient injuries that he can no longer contribute, the coach has no responsibility to put him on the field.  At this point, absent aggregate data, I'm willing to believe this is the case here, especially with the concussion history.

M-Dog

June 29th, 2015 at 7:52 AM ^

But how is that any different than this wording:

A coach has the right to decide who is good enough to practice and play for his team. If a player is not good enough that he can no longer contribute, the coach has no responsibility to put him on the field.
 
Isn't it all just the same thing . . . cutting players that aren't good enough in the coaches eyes, for whatever reason?
 
 

grumbler

June 29th, 2015 at 10:27 AM ^

It is absolutely true that the coach has no obligation to play a given player.  However, the school has an obligation to keep the student on scholarship unless medical necessity dictates otherwise.  The contract between the student and school stipulates what the student has to do to maintain his athletic scholarship, and nothing in that contract refers to performance or contribution.

pescadero

June 29th, 2015 at 11:01 AM ^

A coach has the right to decide who is healthy enough to practice and play for his team. If a player has suffered sufficient injuries that he can no longer contribute, the coach has no responsibility to put him on the field.
 
I agree.
 
I just don't think he should have the right to cut or medical the player.
 
I'm beginning to think the answer is straight 4 year scholarships. Kid gets hurt? Tough, he keeps his scholarship and you're just down a scholarship until he graduates/leaves.

Reader71

June 29th, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^

I like that option, but it makes for the possibility of unscrupulous coaches forcing injured kids back into action early, risking further injury. The old, if you're costing me a scholarship, I'm going to get something out of you. I'd like to think this wouldn't be common, but you never know. Just a thought. I think they should go with 4-year scholarships, 30 per year, no overall limit. The kids are guaranteed 4 years, you bring in a lot per year, which leaves room for injury, and there is no total limit so no one is ever pushed out early.

leu2500

June 28th, 2015 at 5:50 PM ^

but an athletic scholarship is NOT contingent upon a certain level of play, unlike an academic scholarship being contingent upon maintaining a certain level of scholarship (ie, GPA).

If the student-athlete is in good academic standing, hasn't violated the code of conduct rules or team rules then those are the breaks if he doesn't perform as well athletically as projected.  

Therefore, why should "We could thus arguably say that Player X now has – through no fault of his own – reached a point at which he is failing to live up to his end of the scholarship-for-play bargain."  even enter into it? 

The more this becomes the way college sports operates, the more I agree that they should be paid.  Because if you are going to manage the roster like a pro team, then pay them. 

 

champswest

June 28th, 2015 at 6:28 PM ^

Coaches take players all the time that don't pan out. They don't see the field enough to contribute. Should the coach be able to cut that player because they aren't good enough? Or only if you can blame it on an injury? And isn't it a bit of a contradiction to say that this player isn't well enough to play, but we will approve his transfer so that he can play for someone else.

tmzenn

June 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

I may be of a different opinion than some people on here, but I feel it is a good idea to do one year scholarships, especially at schools like Michigan where there is so much scrutiny on high performance. So many fans complain about the team not meeting expectations, and sometimes kids just don't turn out to be as good as people thought.

The kids should be rewarded for their ability to play. If this was the norm, then there wouldn't need to be grey areas regarding unnecessary medicals. You would just discontinue the person's scholarship if they are not good enough to play. In this instance, the kid can go to a different college and be able to play if they are in fact good enough to play at a lower level.

We put such a big emphases on winning at the highest level and sometimes it is in fact coaching that needs changed. However, when coaching is not the cause, to have the ability to replace an athlete with another more suited for your level of play would be more beneficial. 

UMgradMSUdad

June 28th, 2015 at 7:51 PM ^

Just another wrinkle to throw out, medical prognoses are often very difficult to do without a pretty wide range of outcomes.  And for someone like a D-lineman who weighs over 300 lbs. and whose knee is going to be subjected to a frequency and level of torquing that most people wouldn't encounter, it has to be even more difficult.

So in many of these cases it's not like there is a single, definitive medical conclusion that every or even most doctors would come to.

DrewGOBLUE

June 30th, 2015 at 4:44 AM ^

This is very true. It's always baffled me how you generally hear these decisions being made based only on the input of an orthopedic surgeon, as if they are hands-down the definitive authorities in determining the prognoses for any and all musculoskeletal injuries.

For players facing the possibility of having to consent to the end of their athletic careers, it absolutely should be the standard that they receive a very comprehensive assessment that includes perspectives from a wide array of practitioners. The enormity of the situation is too much for the outcome to be left in the hands of just one specialist.

That said, physicians such as anatomical pathologists, radiologists specializing in musculoskeletal imaging, and (most notably) physiatrists should be providing their input. Then after gathering all the information, some sort of independent medical committee could reach a verdict.

SMart WolveFan

June 28th, 2015 at 10:04 PM ^

........I feel it's all about opportunity.

Was the player afforded the opportunity he was promised when he was offered?

Player A is a freshman, shows up on campus and the team doctor diagnoses a problem. Instead of immediately talking "medical" I think a team needs to invest that first year on rehab to see if he can get healthy, if he does the kid will still have 4 years of eligibility. 

To try to get an 18year-old to give up dream of playing college football without them getting even a year is not giving an opportunity.

 

Player B is a junior has only 1 season of eligibility left, has appeared in over 20 games without having much impact and now he's got chronic injuries in the knees. I mean it would be nice if they had the room for him to burn a year on redshirt but that's not really worth it for one season.

Still, he got his opportunity it just didn't work out.

Michigan4Life

June 28th, 2015 at 11:41 PM ^

hardship on a player by saying they're just trying to free up scholarships while at the same time, you try to take a coach's side when it's your team that you root for.

Yes, some are shady with it, but you don't know the whole story.

Sione's Flow

June 29th, 2015 at 12:39 AM ^

From the media's perspective and Pipkins', it's Harbaugh pushing a kid out. But concussions aside, Pipkins had a neck injury and is diagnosed with arthritis in his knee. If he continues to play, his knee could suffer irreparable damage. I hope that's not the case. But, if he transfers and hurts himself again, he could very well have difficulty walking for the rest of his life.

grumbler

June 29th, 2015 at 7:48 PM ^

Again, all concussions are not created equal.  Mild concussions (headache, brief dizziness) are different from severe concussions (loss of conciousness, "seeing stars," vomiting, etc).  Unfortunately, we don't know exactly what that means, but we do know that people who suffer severe concussions are likelier to suffer severe concussions while recovering than people who aren't recovering.

So, I'd agree hat playing with two previous severe concussions might not be a bad idea, I'm not sure we can say the same about two previous mild concussions.

oHOWiHATEohioSTATE

June 29th, 2015 at 7:09 PM ^

be best for both parties. Pipkins may get an extra year to rehab and get healthy to play for another school. If he happens to play someplace else NEXT season it doesn't necessarily mean he could have played this season.

Esterhaus

June 29th, 2015 at 9:03 PM ^

 

The same dark shadow lingers over NCAA teams and their respective futures today.

The NFL collects about 9 billion revenue each year currently. Major college football takes in approximately the same amount. Where there is money there will be lawsuits.

After the Shane Morris incident, I wouldn't be surprised if an insurance expert actually drove the conclusion that Ondre Pipkins needed to leave. Suspected brain injuries at Michigan will no longer be granted leeway as perhaps they once were. I believe that Ondre Pipkins is among the first of many similar decisions.

Litigation mitigation. That's the proper context.

west2

June 30th, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^

my take on this is completely sabanesque or aligned with SEC thinking.  If you receive an academic scholly you have to maintain a minimum GPA to retain it, or if you are faculty and get a grant you have to show results otherwise it's taken away.  Many professionals today such as lawyers, doctors, accountants are hired as at will employees or independent contractors and can be let go for any reason.  This is today's world, no guarantees, perform or you're gone. Why should adult football players in college be insulated from real world dynamics? They are receiving a 6 figure education in return for performance on the field, if the coach or boss thinks someone doesn't fit or is underperforming then they need to go period.  These are not 10 year olds you are coddling trying to develop confidence.  These are adults getting a free premier education hoping to parlay this opportunity into something more lucrative in the NFL.   Part of the reality of getting this opportunity is that if they don't live up to expectation they shouldn't be entitled to the benefits.    

LV Sports Bettor

June 30th, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

that this is still amatuer athletics. If we allow something like this to happen than the less that it feels this way.

What's being described here would end up being a total free for all. You'd end up having teams trying to sign as many guys as they could get their hands on. They'd all be rotating thru players as fast as they could in hopes of building the very best roster not only for this season but for future years as well.

A kid comes to play college football and he busts his ass for a couple years in the weight room and on the practice field. He also puts in all time working hard in the class room as well trying to earn his degree (remember this is what CFB will be about for 95% of the players).

The school ends up hitting on a few recruits that end up playing the same position as the above example. So when this guy becomes an upperclassmen and the writing on the wall becomes clear he's not ever going to play meaningful time, you're okay with booting him off the team? Even though this guy has been a model teammate/student and has done all that's been asked of him but talent wise he didn't live up to the expectations of the coaches who offered him a scholarship years earlier when he was in high school?

All of the responsibility is on the kid (key word) and none of it is on the staff for missing on a recruit? Most of these guys moved thousads of miles away from their homes and have to deal with the pressures of everyday life of a CFB player. This would add even more pressure here.

This is the point where most of these players football careers will end. Why not at least give them all a 4-5 year commitment in return for all that they give to this great sport.