My Time Spent with Coach Hoke, Part 1

Submitted by IncrediblySTIFF on

Time spent in my (almost) three short seasons with Coach Brady Hoke.

I was never that good at football. I was a decent blocker, and I could catch most balls that were thrown in my direction, but I was never particularly fast and my route running was, in Coach Hoke’s words himself, “Satisfactory at best.” The main two things I had going for me in my ability to become a member of the Ball State Football team were that I could punt a ball 75 yards in the air easy, and that my best friend from high school was a full ride three year starter at linebacker.

After being recruited to the Ohio Bobcats, the Kentucky Wildcats, the Akron Zips, Ball State University, and Purdue University, I left high school with exactly zero offers save a preferred walk-on spot as a so called “ATHLETE” at Ball State. After graduating high school in the winter, I chose to attempt to walk on to the Purdue Boilermakers before spring ball. The special teams coach there told me I needed to be in better shape and make sure my grades were good, and he would possibly have a spot for me in the fall. The afore mentioned special teams coach took a job with Ball State that summer, and I had already considered leaving Purdue because I wanted to get out of my hometown, West LAFFALOT, so I followed him there and walked on the following spring. This is how I came to have Brady Hoke as my head coach.

In order to put any of these memories into order, I would have to write them all before posting any. Instead, these diaries will be more of little glimpses into my interactions with Coach, absolutely not in chronological order. These are not exact quotes; it is much too hard for me to remember word for word what was said 5-8 years ago.

The Compliance Story

I will start off with one that I posted in this thread; I apologize for those of you who have already read this one.

At the beginning of the season, an NCAA compliance guy comes in to talk about the rules of the NCAA and what the coaches can and can’t force us to do. He tells us about the amount of practice time we can use a week, the amount of time spent in non-practice, football related activities we can spend each week. He tells us that summer ball is and will always be optional. He also talks about receiving improper benefits and what it can do to a football program and coach if you get caught. After he left, first our strength and conditioning coach Aaron Wellman (currently still on Coach Hoke’s staff) comes in and tells us, “That guys a prick. Always trying to make my job harder.”

Coach Hoke then comes in. “I hope you guys were listening,” he starts. “Everything that guy said is true. We can’t force you to be at practice more than X hours each week. I can’t make you come to morning conditioning when you have practice in the afternoon. Hell, we can’t even make you play football here. If you don’t want to wash your hands after you piss, were not going to make you do that either,” he continues, as a few people in the room start to chuckle and understand what our great Coach is telling us. “You don’t even have to go to class tomorrow if you don’t want. In fact, if you guys don’t feel like eating tomorrow, or the rest of your life, be my guest.”

By now, the majority of the room was laughing. Coach Hoke quieted us down and said more seriously, “You will practice, with us, for the maximum amount of hours we are allowed to. Everything on top of that will be voluntary. Those of you who choose to volunteer for these additional hours, you are the ones who make this team better, you are the ones who will stay on scholarship, you are the ones who will see the field and produce on the field.”

Near the beginning of the fall after I walked on, Coach Hoke talked to us a little bit about academics and athletics.

“I want you guys to know that the reason you are attending this great university is to get a degree. Football might have been your deciding factor, but my job is to make sure that you receive an education off the field as well. You can do whatever you want with it; just help me to finish my job.

"To help you guys remember this, I made these numbers.” Coach Hoke then holds up two pieces of paper with a very large ‘1’ and ‘2’ printed on each piece respectively. “So guys,” he bellows, “Remember….Academics…#1,” he says, while holding up the sign that says ‘2.’  Aaron Wellman stands next to him pointing to the sign. Coach Hoke then switches to the #1 sign and continues, “Athletics….Number 2!”  This time Wellman is using a two fingered point at the sign that says #1. Everyone in the room is laughing and nodding their head. Coach Hoke then puts back up the sign that says #2 and says again, “So, academics here,” and switching signs back to the #1, “Football here.  Does everyone understand that?”

So, I’ve got to get this bar open and I’ve squandered all my time on writing this.  I’m going to continue writing these little memoirs if ya’ll would like me to, the next one that I already started on is entitled “BRADY HOKE…THE PUNISHMENT FITS THE CRIME”

Thanks for reading…

EDIT: Just want to add this second disclaimer. I know these first two stories I've posted scream "OMG COMPLIANCE NOOO." I posted these two stories because these were two of the first interactions I had with Coach Hoke. I wouldn't worry too much. I don't know that I have any more stories about the NCAA compliance guy and Coach Hoke that go together, you can take what you want from what I have to say but please don't take 10 minutes of the countless hours I've spent with Coach Hoke and say, "Augh! compliance VIOLATIONS!"

Comments

Charlie Chunk

August 6th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^

Keep it coming...  This is the kind of stuff that helps everyone get closer to the program.  I mean, we will never be in the situations you are describing.  What fun!  Bring it!!!

IncrediblySTIFF

August 6th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^

sir.  When I walked on i was listed at 6'5" 220.  Linemen were much too strong and too big for me to block, but I could catch a linebacker pretty good (usually if he wasn't expecting me...CRACKBACK) and plowed over my fair share of undersized cornerbacks and safeties.

Most people who see me assume TE because for some reason, I waited until after I was done playing football to put on 30 pounds and show some actual definition in my upper body.

ILL_Legel

August 6th, 2011 at 1:13 PM ^

I don't have an issue with the comments about the voluntary workouts.  He didn't say if you don't do the voluntary work then you will lose your scholarship.  The truth is the guys who put in the voluntary work will most likely develop faster, perform better, and get more playing time.  Practice makes us better at things.

It's the same at any level including high school.  I heard a comment from a former pro player who said the people in any profession who put their own extra time in to getting better have an edge.  That's true from my experience.

Hoke is right.  No one has to do anything but if they want to get better and get on the field or get promoted in their profession then there will usually be some extra work involved.  If you want the rewards, then you have to put in the effort.  Not a big deal.  Look at how much Denard improved last year by putting in the voluntary work.

Jasper

August 6th, 2011 at 2:00 PM ^

In all honesty, this post didn't do much for me. I can see the humor, but the construction is too murky. But, I'd still like to hear more from this Ball State football alum whose career overlapped with Hoke.

Kal

August 6th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

Some of the people on the board are way too sensitive. This is quality stuff, and I don't think Hoke at any point is devaluing what an education means to an athlete.

Committed

August 6th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^

Honestly, people do not have to like what your saying. Your not obligated to read anything in a free, online forum.
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<br>I enjoyed it. I hope you continue these because I'll definitely read them. It provides clear insight to the 'behind closed doors' coach. He may have changed his ways in the past few years, but it's interesting what he was like back then and potentially now.
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<br>Thanks again.

IncrediblySTIFF

August 6th, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^

West Lafayette..cross town rivals, huh. Glad at least some of the Raiders have some sense in them. Just playin... I bet we know a lot of the same people, but I'm not gonna start throwing around their names anymore than my own.

jmblue

August 6th, 2011 at 6:33 PM ^

Keep it coming!  

(I understand your desire for anonymity.  Don't feel compelled to reveal any personal information if you don't want to.)

news2me

August 6th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^

Timely article, and it is a perfect way to begin this series; because it addresses the complexity of coach Hoke first and foremost....very informative, and likely to prove trustworthy based on your manner of beginning it! I look forward to more; and I hope to learn more from you about how Coach Hoke achieved such sucess there and then. Is there something we might find interesting about why you think he may have left Ball State when he did? How was he able to develop so much NFL talent out of the program? Also, you will be remiss if you do not have some upcoming facts about the football program's graduation rate from your viewpoint and in your factual estimation.

IncrediblySTIFF

August 6th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^

1)if you are talking about ball states near undefeated season, to make a long story very short...he started players on the oline that were much less talented, but with way more potential early and by the time they were seniors they were much more talented. Or at least that was a big factor. When you can run the ball you win games. 2) aaron wellman is a big reason players like dan gerberry can go from 0* recruits to nfl draftees, the man is one of the best trainers a football team could have.

Noleverine

August 6th, 2011 at 8:38 PM ^

Keep posting, I really enjoyed it in the first discussion in the original thread and liked this even more.  Always interesting to get more of a personal view of a coach, not just what you see in the media.  Are you planning on weekly installments? Or just whenever?

IncrediblySTIFF

August 6th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^

I don't know about weekly, I will try to put up at least one or two more before the season starts. I feel that once the season starts, there are much more important things to talk about than my interactions with Coach. I want to spend more time on the next one.

beevo

August 6th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^

BLUF:  Loved the post, I'll take seconds please.

Enjoyed the post brother.  It made me realize what a strange trip it has been since RR was fired and Hoke hired.  It had to be pretty exciting for you.   I was wondering about Wellman coming over and what type of background he has.  When Barwis came on board people swooned over how he would whip us into superior shape ( yeah, I said "us").  It has been crickets with Wellman though.  I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about what his influence will be. 

 

fatman_do

August 6th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^

Even in High School, offseason weight room and 7 on 7 was voluntary. Nobody made us try to get better than those that did not. It is all "coach speak". Work and effort = results, not playing time. If you produce, you play. Nothing about trying to get around the rules.

Phil.engin2011

August 7th, 2011 at 9:45 AM ^

this is good stuff. I am very surprised at some of the reaction, but it sounds like the stories you shared were "in good fun," so I say: keep 'em coming! Thanks again!

Brimley

August 7th, 2011 at 10:32 AM ^

First, thanks IncrediblyBLUe for taking the time to write this stuff up.  I look forward to later installments!

Second, I think he's made it clear that the academics/athletics balance question is similar to what we people whose athletic careers ended before college faced in some respects.  We didn't HAVE to write five drafts of that paper, or HAVE to re-read the chapter a couple times, but it translated into better performance.  I knew guys (smarter than I) who were more interested in drinking and shit than working hard who were out after a year.  So a kid who balances the demands of classes AND maintains a peak athletic performance has my total respect.

Cope

August 7th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^

for IncrediblyBLUE's explanations. Of course I get the humor, but without the reassurances of Hoke's intent, I feel the same way as Don and WatersDemos. Endearing from a player's perspective, but not flattering at all from a coach's or alum's. You want a guy who really respects compliance people and is passionate about working with them to make the most ethical team. That attitude spreads and instills character in players. I'll take the 1,2 example as Hoke saying both are important, but it could be interpreted by some as a funny way to overshadow academics, which, again, would endear him to an audience of football players. I trust IncrediblyBLUE's word, so worries assuaged. And of course everything from Hoke at Michigan has been gold. But I also agree with Don and WD.

soup-er-UM

August 9th, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^

This is really cool.  We always hear that Mattison and Hoke are really funny guys, but it's hard to imagine what the interactions with players would really be like, and your story definitely puts some meat on that bone.  It's great to get a glimpse of their non-media personalities.  

Also interesting that you say you didn't interact with Hoke too much one-on-one.  I imagine that's the case for most of the players on the roster with any HC, and it also indicates that (more than likely) the players' answers to questions from the media about Hoke's personality are based on interactions like the meeting you describe. 

BrickTop

August 12th, 2011 at 6:20 PM ^

Hoke practices what he preaches. Some might take his actions as quesitonable but it sounds like he does a good job of getting his guys to think about school.