My Thoughts on the OSU Fallout (And the NCAA and Tribalism)

Submitted by LKLIII on

Slow day at work, so I'll do my very first Diary entry after 4 years posting on the site:

 

What a great column & comments following Brian's "Indefensible" post.  My points--


1)  This OSU sham doesn't ruin my fandom of Michigan Football, but it DOES significantly add to the mounting data points eroding my enthusiasm for College Football in general--particularly in the way the NCAA as an institution runs it.  Why?  Because....

 

2)  This OSU result--while vastly disappointing--was not at all surprising.  In fact, it was ENTIRELY predictable.  And that's probably the saddest part of this whole thing for me.  It'd be marginally better if people were OUTRAGED at the result of this OSU "investigation."  But thus far people--at least those who's opinions actually matter (the NCAA, OSU fans, boosters, administrators, potential recruits, etc.)--don't seem to really care.  They SHOULD, but they DON'T.  So unless/until the rules change or the administrative enforcement polices on this stuff changes in a material & consistent way, this kind of behavior will will only get worse.   Which brings me to.....

 

3)  Brian made a point on the MGoBlog Roundtable on WTKA this morning that Michigan should just start violating the NCAA rules against paying players.  I think that gets to one of the major root causes of the problem here.  We all know that big time college football is a multi-BILLION dollar industry, but very little of that money can legitimately wind up directly into the hands of the players. 

So, this massive black market economy has developed where schools either think of creative ways to skirt the rules or just blatantly violate them. 

The most schools just indirectly pass down benefits in the form of outrageously palatial stadiums, locker rooms, "student athlete centers," etc.  The next step down is schools literally giving their recruits and players cash under the table, or other individual material benefits like loaner cars, etc. 

And then there is this other non-monetary compensation that some schools provide as well--insanely easy classes, a permissive "see no evil" culture that enables and indulges players (AND STAFF) who exhibit their WORST character flaws with zero worry of accountability being enforced by the school,  the league, or the NCAA.  This is where the MSU/OSU/Baylor stuff comes into play.

To Brian's point, much of this would be resolved if the NCAA allowed players to be paid legitimately.  And I DO agree that for now, Michigan should start breaking the rules (on the paying players/recruits part but NOT on a "not playing school; we turn a blind eye to criminal behavior" level.)

This is hard for me to admit, because I've been a Michigan alum "blue hair" type of guy where I like to think we exist on a higher moral plane than most of the other schools out there by the way we conduct our business. 

But facts are facts and there becomes a tipping point where that is no longer the case. 

If 5% or 10% or 20% of Power 5 programs are breaking the rules, then they are cheaters & ought to be punished.  But if 70% or 80% of Power 5 programs are breaking the rules AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT, then then that does not make the remaining 20% of programs not violating the rules honorable.  It makes them naive SUCKERS.  That's because--based on the enforcement of the written rules, the rules as written are no longer really in effect in any meaningful way.  They are archaic tenants that nobody enforces or cares about, but they simply have not been formally removed from the code of conduct yet.

It's time for us to stop being suckers.

 

4)  However, Brian made the point that we should violate the NCAA rules BLATANTLY on the grounds that we find them immoral.  Basically adopting a civil disobedience/activist posture.  The theory being, if a law is unjust and one cannot change the law, the only thing to do is to disregard it and be willing to suffer the punishment for breaking said law. 

It's an interesting thought, but if we did that then the NCAA would come down on Michigan like a ton of bricks.   And I, for one, do not want Michigan to become a pariah.  The tallest blade of grass is the first to get mowed down, after all. 

If we did what Brian advocated & if the NCAA hammered us to make an example out of us, then short of winning a major federal lawsuit putting the NCAA in it's place, it would actually do MORE long term harm than good.  Other would-be activists would see how the NCAA squashed us like an insolent peasant and it would have a chilling effect on would-be activist schools for another several decades.

I'm not a tax attorney & I am not privy to the full business model of the NCAA.  But my bet is that the status quo (formally not paying players, but also not enforcing blatant violations of those rules especially from cash cows) is the ideal sweet spot for the NCAA in terms of clout & profit.   

So in reality, if we want to bring Michigan in line with the other schools, one of two things need to happen:  1)  The NCAA has to change their rules to allow much of the black market activity to be legitimate (thus greatly shrinking the size and scope of the black market), OR  2)  Start violating the "rules" under the table just like everybody else. 

I would advocate that Michigan pursues both tracks in parallel.  Start to advocate #1 publicly, but until that effort is successful, follow #2 on a financial/paying players level.  I think loudly doing #2 would only invite the NCAA to come down on us hard in an effort to continue selling the fiction that they are a non-profit organization there for the development of student athletes.

The risk of course, is that if the NCAA does truly like the status quo, Michigan publicly agitating for #1 would put a political target on its back and then the NCAA could still come down like a ton of bricks on hypothetical Michigan clandestine #2 activity.  Not because the NCAA really CARES about clandestine payment of players--they don't.  But because Michigan is being too vocal about #1 and shaking up the status quo, so it's a good way to "make an example" out of them.

Essentially, it'd be the NCAA saying:  "Why don't you just quietly violate the rules and not advocate for true reform, like all the other good cash cows do?"

 

5)  Much of the reprehensible stuff going on is also due to college sports devolving into a modern secular form of rank tribalism.  Yes, part of this stuff is due to the prospects of fame, fortune, careers, and prestige associated w/ big time college athletics.  But it's also enabled by the FANS, who have very little to gain from this stuff materially.  Fans--o a greater number and to a greater degree--are deriving a bigger amount of psychological, emotional, and (dare I say it) spiritual well-being with identifying with certain sports teams.  The MGoBlog Roundtable guys mentioned this as well.  Tribalism is part of human nature.  It manifested in literal tribes millennia ago, and has been expressed through religion as well as the concept of the empire & modern nation state.  But as secularism has been on the rise and since we've become more global, the nation state has waned as a tribalism model--at least in Western Civilization.  Our culture has totally fractured--partly due to technology--where people can find much closer kinship with somebody half a town or half a globe away because they eat the same food, enjoy the same art, and root for the same sports teams.  "Buckeye NATION," "Raider NATION," etc.

When tribalism is present--especially VIRULENT tribalism--people will start to conflate their own well being with the tribe.  Thus, when the power, prestige, or honor of the tribe is threatened, it's as if their own INDIVIDUAL power, prestige, and honor is threatened as well.  

Every person on this planet likes to think that they are an honorable/smart/capable/competent person.  And as Brian said on the Roundtable people will be willing to develop MASSIVE moral blind spots and rationalizations in order to eliminate the cognitive dissonance in their own mind.

Therefore, I think the degree of tribalism and psychological conflation one experiences with any particular team/ethos/political ideology, etc. is also directly proportional to the amount of mental gymnastics and size of moral blind spots one can develop when it comes to rationalizing bad behavior form the tribe with which one identifies.  Which brings me to my final question:

6)  Is this virulent tribalism ("Win at All Costs" culture in the context of sports) a bottom up, or a top down phenomenon?  

What I mean is---

Did the Alabamas & OSUs become that way because a cluster of boosters & administrators decided they'd "win at all costs" and the otherwise passive fan bases BECAME virulently tribal BECAUSE the teams started to win so much? (i.e., an addiction model where the fan bases just got hooked on the wins after-the-fact)

OR

Did the Alabamas & OSUs hire morally repugnant administrators and coaches, and enable bag man boosters, etc. because the FAN BASES for whatever reason were already primed to view their teams in a virulently tribal way?  (i.e, the flies were just attracted to the moral rot that was already present in that particular fan base)

Comments

nmwolverine

August 23rd, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^

Here are my thoughts on Urban.  I withheld all judgment until facts came out of the investigation.  On the B10 Network last night, I watched White, Smith, Drake and Urban.  Intent is a jury question.  If I am on a jury for Urban, I am nailing him all the way.  Every place he cut Zach Smith a break, or the committee cut Urban a break, I am seeing intentional, well planned conspiracy.  A conspiracy of Urban and Smith.  So yes, Urban reported this to the AD.  But then he and the AD participated in a cover up conspiracy, so that reporting was moot.  Every slip of memory is an obvious lie.  The failure to report beyond Smith, this many years after the Ray Rice incident, cannot be explained by lack of knowledge or understanding of domestic violence.  Didn't know to report it to compliance people?  Lie to the media?  Fail to tell OSU in 2012 about the events of 2009?  Gee, how can this all be explained?  Intentional coverup, all of it.  All of it.  No memory lapse from medication.  All a deliberate plan.  The committee result was shocking to me.  

 I am not calling for his firing.  But compare it to the New Orleans Saints head coach that was suspended a year.  Why not go that route.  The man did everything possible to leave Smith in place for years, until it was out of his hands.  Who did that affect?  Which OSU players?  What was his contact with RB Ezekiel Elliot?  What did the players know.  There was no acting with his heart not his head.  He acted with his head deliberately and carefully to accomplish a well planned coverup.  I cannot look at the people on the committee the same way ever again, including Clark Kellogg, who I otherwise like.

Arb lover

August 23rd, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^

Because Michigan holds itself to a higher standard, other institutions (the press, the NCAA, and other schools) will continue to hold us to a higher standard even if we revert to the norm you portray above.

The result is almost certainly that Michigan is crucified for what others are also doing, if for no other reason then that we have been morally opposed to these actions for so long, that our eventual switch and downfall is deemed intollerable by all sides.

mjv

August 23rd, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^

The clandestine paying of players isn't the approach.  Nothing gets solved that way.  It leaves us at the mercy of an organization that has an agenda that is political and self-serving.

With the generally positive reputation UofM has and our legacy as social leaders, we should be above board and willing to do what is right.  State what we are going to do.  Do what we state.  And go fight this thing to the death in court if we must.  Look at the recent rulings in favor of players' rights -- the trend is heading that way.  

And if there is one thing that terrifies our alumni base, it is risk to our reputation.  We have something to lose beyond football and basketball games -- which OSU and MSU do not have.  The clandestine paying of players puts our reputation at risk.  Being at the forefront of this cause is something that fits with our collective psyche of positively shaping the future.

Zopak

August 24th, 2018 at 12:23 AM ^

Got this one bang on. I'll never forget traveling through Europe, and having people constantly come up and ask about my Michigan shirt, and speak highly of the university. Gave me a lot of pride to be 10k miles away and still be viewed like that. I'd much rather have that than the games.

LKLIII

August 23rd, 2018 at 5:39 PM ^

Interesting points all.

 

How about an alternative strategy:

Having boosters fund a well-compensated and well-equipped investigative team to look into rival programs that Michigan suspects of serially violating NCAA rules, and then shopping the findings around to a bunch of various media outlets for verification & dissemination.  

I'm not talking about anything illegal in terms of obtaining the information, or anything involving blackmail.  I'm just talking about putting resources to look where most news rooms don't have the time, or money, or inclination to look.

The political world already sees armies of "opposition research" teams.  This would just be applied to the world of big time college athletics.  

If Michigan's major frustration is that we are a clean/relatively clean program, and that we have all of this economic clout within the fan base, yet can't break the rules to pay the players.....why not use that considerable money to legally shine a GIANT spotlight onto the teams that AREN'T clean?

True, the NCAA doesn't enforce much.  But how much of that is because they have plausible deniability?  Message board rumors and social media posts don't cut it.  But if it's sourced, backed up by public records or other legally obtained facts, and then PUBLISHED in one or more major media outlets....

At some point it would simply embarrass the NCAA into looking into various stories, no?

Yes, it would invite major blowback to the point that other teams would enter an "arms race" of opposition research against our own squad.  But if we are correct in that we are relatively clean, then an environment like that would create a major net benefit for us anyway.  We spend relatively less money to uncover a TON of dirt at other schools, while other schools have to spend a huge amount of money to uncover just a few minor infractions on our end.  

Basically, asymmetrical informational warfare.

greatlakestate

August 23rd, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^

In some ways, I wonder if that has already started to happen.  It's quite obvious that there is WAY more information that the "investigative team" didn't have time/inclination to look for in the Urban Meyer affair. (For starters what kind of investigation starts out by saying how long they will take to investigate?  THOROUGH investigations take what they take.  So it was a sham to begin with)  There are a lot of hungry sports reporters that are probably combing through every little tidbit they can find to see what else they can uncover.  

LKLIII

August 23rd, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^

Very true, but what created the feeding frenzy of investigative journalists zeroing on OSU in particular was the "blood in the water" if you will.

News rooms have limited time & budgets.  Most won't go randomly digging for dirt unless they've got a hot tip on something.  Otherwise they risk wasting a bunch of time on a non-story.

A privately funded investigative team would basically do a bunch of the preliminary heavy lifting FOR them.  Essentially spoon-feed them the story & point them in the right direction.

Then the time/cash strapped (yet ethical) journalist would still take the time to independently source/corroborate everything before taking it to his editor for publication/air.

But it would basically cut the work load by 70-80%.

Bottom line is the privately funded team wouldn't be doing the reporting PER SE.  They'd just be putting the blood in the water & letting the rest of the sports journalism world finish the job.

grumbler

August 24th, 2018 at 8:17 PM ^

You do realize that the NCAA is the schools, right?  The NCAA doesn't make bupkis from all of the bowls and whatnot - schools do.  Even the College Football Playoffs are not run by the NCAA.

Dismantling the NCAA does nothing unless you just eliminate intercollegiate sports at the highest level entirely.  If the NCAA were dismantled tomorrow, the schools that want intercollegiate sports would have to re-invent it the day after tomorrow.

The limited power of the NCAA is by design - schools don't want to give their overarching organization too much power.

dankbrogoblue

August 23rd, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^

I know this might be devolving into tribalism, but I appreciate the fact that OSU pulls a farce and that this group can turn it into a discussion of tribalism and self-reflection.

Let's remember this feeling if something ugly comes up in our camp.

NittanyFan

August 23rd, 2018 at 8:02 PM ^

Tribalism dismays me.  A lot.  It's been on the rise in America for quite awhile now and it does seem to be getting worse.

IMO, most members of OSU leadership (President, BoT members) embarrassed themselves yesterday. 

But I still don't think worse of Ohio State people or "Buckeye Nation" as a whole.  It's hard, but still judge folk individually.

To your last question --- I think "tribalism" is more of a bottom-up dynamic.  It begins at the bottom.  But it really explodes when there is an "enabler" at the top to rally around.

And I'm not trying to indict U-M with this comment: but I think U-M is susceptible to "tribalism" too.  Look at the link below.  The top 10 states in terms of "people who live there were born in that state."  It's dated slightly (2013), but I doubt the #s have changed that much.  

(1) People love their college football (or college hoops: KY) in all those states.  LOVE their college football.

(2) Ohio, PA, Alabama.  Lots of people in those states rallying around OSU/Meyer, PSU/JoePa, and Bama/Saban, no matter what they do.

(3) WV and Kentucky, homes of the Hatfields and McCoys.   

(4) Michigan is 2nd on that list.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillylists/The-states-with-the-most-native-born-residents.html?arc404=true

(I want to avoid politics, but those 10 states also have something in common politically, 2016 election.  Leave it at that).

dankbrogoblue

August 24th, 2018 at 12:07 AM ^

Of course U-M is subject to tribalism. Part of the reason I'm disgusted by the whole situation with Urban is that both sides really just care about winning, and not about what's right. I remember seeing someone comment that U of M fans have become the biggest advocates for domestic violence awareness and that rang really true.

However, I don't know how your link proves that, other than lumping us in with states where you might expect tribalism to be rampant.

Plus it doesn't surprise me that Michigan is high on that list. Michigan is a tough sell to get people to move there, what with the terrible winters and lack of appealing major cities. Ann Arbor, Traverse City and Grand Rapids are great but are by no means major. I also think Michigan has struggled to find its post-rust belt identity, but that's a whole different discussion (though it could explain why other rust belt states are on that list).

Until recently, Michigan's population has been in decline, and 0.3 percent gain isn't much if you consider that the birth rate vs. death rate should account for a much higher number than that.

So with natives (and non-natives I suppose) moving out, and a tough sell to move in, Michigan should be expected to be high on that list.

 

(And it was odd for MI to go red in 2016. It's traditionally a very blue state and not even considered a swing state)

NittanyFan

August 24th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

FWIW: I grew up in MI.  So I know the state very very well (I'm posting from Michigan right now, back for the weekend).  Spent my college years in PA, spent many post-college years in OH, and now live elsewhere.

I'm not "lumping Michigan in" with PA or OH ---- I basically believe Michigan IS like those 2 states.  I'd argue those 2 states are Michigan's biggest dopplegangers.

Perhaps not a popular opinion, but this opinion does come as one who has lived extensively in all those places.

I'd never wish a crisis upon U-M football.  But I'm not as confident as others that the reaction would be materially different vs. other B1G East schools.

schizontastic

August 24th, 2018 at 6:08 PM ^

NittanyFan--interesting comments (and generally I enjoy having viewpoints from other fanbases). I wonder whether football-specific tribalism would  be reduced in Michigan. Hard to generalize, but I think many people would agree that football (e.g., high school level etc) is simply much more central to Ohio culture. So Michiganders would be just as tribal about various issues, just less likely to have football as their identity? 

grumbler

August 24th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^

What a bizarre claim.  That Michigan is #2 in  "people who live there were born in that state" has nothing to do with tribalism and everything to do with the fact that it is a rust belt state with little to attract new residents. People in Texas LOVE their football more than any other state, and it is smack in the middle of the list.  Florida has three teams that are perennially major powers in college football, and they are #49 out of 50!

Garbage in = garbage out

UMinSF

August 23rd, 2018 at 10:47 PM ^

Could not disagree more with the idea of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If Michigan were to go down this path, I'd be done as a fan and supporter, and embarrassed to be an alum.

I'm also among those (the minority, it seems) that feels paying players is not the answer. IMO, money is the problem, not the solution.

There's too much damn money in college sports, that's the whole problem. My suggestions?

- Limit coaching salaries. I'm no labor lawyer and don't know about the legalities, but it seems that if the NCAA introduced a salary cap, why couldn't it be enforceable? Pro leagues have salary caps, why can't there be a similar collective agreement in college sports? 

- Limit TV money. I know it's hard to turn down dollars, but the mountain of money is killing college sports. It's possible the pot may be shrinking anyway because of cord-cutting.

- Take a BIG chunk of TV money and dedicate it to enforcement. Enact very strict penalties, that first and foremost include suspension/termination of coaches. If coach's jobs are dependent on following the rules, it sure seems they'll "remember" to pay attention. 

- Place at least one NCAA enforcement officer in place at every school - possibly one each for football and basketball (rotate them to avoid conflicts). I'm not talking about the school's own compliance office, I'm talking about independent officials whose sole focus is enforcement. Find the bag men. Make sure the kids are taking real classes. I recognize this is the opposite of paying kids to play. If the in-place officer identifies a problem, send in a team to investigate. Strict oversight is the only way to police big-money operations.

- Strictly enforce academic requirements. A scholarship that genuinely means a promise of a real degree is hugely valuable. If a kid isn't interested in "playing school", he should not be in school. People say you can't keep track of every kid - I say why not? There's enough money to hire people to support and monitor kids. I'm 100% for extra academic support, mentoring, etc. 

- Finally, and most important: If you can't get all schools to agree to cleaning things up, then let them drown in their own cesspool. Break away from the rogue programs. Play ball with universities that are committed to playing by the rules and have some integrity. Be bold, and lead.

I like to believe it's still possible to play by the rules and be competitive. Coach Beilein has shown us that it is. However, it's getting harder and harder, and it sickens me to see so many schools embroiled in scandals or simply ignoring the rules.

I really think it's time for a change. I'd much rather proudly follow and support a clean program that competes with Northwestern and Stanford and Navy than a dirty program that's in an endless arms race with OSU and 'bama. Enough is enough.

 

 

grumbler

August 24th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^

I agree 100%.  It is sad to see Brian join the ranks of the "win at all costs" brigade (for his call for Michigan to just pay the players is just that: a call to win at all costs), but it's not surprising.  It is far easier to blame losing on the other team cheating than it is to recognize that maybe the Michigan football culture got too complacent and soft to really compete with the sharks out there.

A cap on coaches salaries would not be enforceable.  Professional player salary caps are negotiated with the players' union, and there is no coaches union.  What could be done, however, is to have a ten percent "tax" on coaches' salaries, which would go to paying for the salaries of NCAA-appointed watchdogs sent to each program.  The more you pay your coaches, the more watchdogs you have.  After all, the more you pay your coaches, the more you incentivize them to cheat.

I also agree that Michigan should openly blacklist programs for which there is evidence of cheating.  Just say "we won't schedule these programs, and this is why."  It doesn't matter whether or not you ever would have scheduled those guys, the public renunciation would not only shame the cheaters, but open the question for programs that do schedule them of "why don't you, AD, care about this cheating?"  If it's a conference game, just forfeit it rather than playing it.  Pay the penalty for the forfeit.  Michigan can afford it.

Will the forfeits hurt?  Yeah.  Michigan will never win a conference title if they forfeit every game scheduled against Urban Meyer or MSU.  So?  Do you want to win, at all costs?  Fuck no!  

Blue in PA

August 24th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^

How about salary caps...  Say a school has $15,000,000/year for salaries for the football program.  If they pay the coach and his staff a combined $12,000,000/year, then they have $3,000,000 to hand out to players, to coax recruits, to buy blow and hookers on recruiting trips.    Use it however you want, but you can't go over your spending cap.... and there has to be receipts for it all on record.

 

of course i'm kidding