Big Ten Recruiting Rankings: 10-14-12

Submitted by Ace on October 14th, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Recruiting rankings are front-paged this week as Michigan loses a commit, falling back towards the pack in the process. The Wolverines now hold a very narrow lead at the top over Notre Dame, though there's a significant gap between the Irish and the rest of the field. Changes since the last rankings:

10-9-12: Michigan State picks up Delton Williams. Wisconsin picks up Sojourn Shelton.
10-13-12: Purdue picks up Kyle Shortridge.
10-14-12: David Dawson decommits from Michigan.

Chart? Chart:

Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings
Rank School # Commits Rivals Avg Scout Avg 24/7 Avg ESPN Avg Avg Avg^ POINTS*
1 Michigan 22 3.59 3.86 3.73 3.68 3.71 81.75
2 Notre Dame 21 3.62 3.81 3.81 3.81 3.76 79.00
3 Ohio State 17 3.65 3.71 3.65 3.76 3.69 62.75
4 Illinois 19 2.84 2.74 2.58 3.05 2.80 53.25
5 Northwestern 17 2.88 2.94 2.88 3.06 2.94 50.00
6 Iowa 16 3.06 2.88 3.13 3.06 3.03 48.50
7 Nebraska 14 3.14 3.36 3.36 3.21 3.27 45.75
8 Michigan State 14 3.07 3.14 3.00 3.35 3.14 44.00
9 Wisconsin 13 3.23 3.08 3.08 3.38 3.19 41.50
10 Penn State 11 3.09 3.00 3.27 3.36 3.18 35.00
11 Purdue 12 2.92 2.50 2.58 2.83 2.71 32.50
12 Indiana 11 2.73 2.64 2.64 2.64 2.67 29.33
13 Minnesota 6 2.50 2.33 2.67 2.83 2.58 15.50

^The average of the average rankings of the four recruiting services (the previous four columns). The figure is calculated based on the raw numbers and then rounded, so the numbers above may not average out exactly.

*The product of number of Commits and Average Average

NOTE: Unranked recruits are counted as two-star players.

On to the full data after the jump.

 

#1 Michigan - 22 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Shane Morris QB MI 5 5 5 4
Patrick Kugler OL PA 4 5 4 4
Dymonte Thomas S OH 4 5 4 4
Kyle Bosch OL IL 4 4 4 4
Taco Charlton DE OH 4 4 4 4
Chris Fox OL CO 4 4 4 4
Ben Gedeon LB OH 4 4 4 4
Jourdan Lewis CB MI 4 4 4 4
Mike McCray LB OH 4 4 4 4
Henry Poggi DT MD 4 4 4 4
Logan Tuley-Tillman OL IL 4 4 4 4
Wyatt Shallman ATH MI 4 4 4 3
Jake Butt TE OH 4 4 3 4
Ross Douglas CB OH 4 3 4 4
Gareon Conley CB OH 3 4 4 4
DeVeon Smith RB OH 3 4 4 4
Maurice Hurst Jr. DT MA 3 4 4 3
Jaron Dukes WR OH 3 4 3 4
Khalid Hill TE MI 3 3 3 3
Csont'e York WR MI 3 3 3 3
Channing Stribling CB NC 2 3 3 3
Scott Sypniewski LS IL 2 2 2 2

The Wolverines have their first decommit of the class in David Dawson, leaving a very narrow gap between them and Notre Dame.

#2 Notre Dame - 21 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jaylon Smith LB IN 5 5 5 4
Alex Anzalone LB PA 4 4 4 4
Hunter Bivin OL KY 4 4 4 4
Steven Elmer OL MI 4 4 4 4
Mike Heuerman TE FL 4 4 4 4
Mike McGlinchey OL PA 4 4 4 4
John Montelus OL MA 4 4 4 4
Isaac Rochell DE GA 4 4 4 4
Malik Zaire QB OH 4 4 4 4
William Fuller WR PA 4 4 3 3
Torii Hunter Jr. WR TX 4 3 4 4
Doug Randolph LB VA 4 3 4 4
Jamel James RB TX 3 4 4 4
Colin McGovern OL IL 3 4 4 4
Jacob Matuska DE OH 3 4 4 3
James Onwualu WR MN 3 4 3 4
Danny Mattingly TE WA 3 4 3 3
Corey Robinson WR TX 3 4 3 3
Rashad Kinlaw ATH NJ 3 3 4 4
Devin Butler CB DC 3 3 4 4
Michael Deeb LB FL 3 3 3 4

No change for the Irish.

#3 Ohio State - 17 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jalin Marshall ATH OH 4 5 4 4
Joey Bosa DE FL 4 5 4 4
Eli Woodard CB NJ 4 4 4 5
J.T. Barrett QB TX 4 4 4 4
Marcus Baugh TE CA 4 4 4 4
Cameron Burrows CB OH 4 4 4 4
Michael Hill DT SC 4 4 4 4
Evan Lisle OL OH 4 4 4 4
Billy Price DT OH 4 4 4 4
Ezekiel Elliott RB MO 4 4 4 4
Jayme Thompson S OH 4 4 4 4
Tyquan Lewis DE NC 4 3 4 3
Taivon Jacobs WR MD 3 3 3 4
Darron Lee ATH OH 3 3 3 3
Tracy Sprinkle DE OH 3 3 3 3
Tim Gardner OL IN 3 2 3 3
Johnny Townsend P FL 2 3 2 3

No change for the Buckeyes.

#4 Illinois - 19 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Aaron Bailey QB IL 4 4 4 4
Caleb Day CB OH 4 3 3 3
Darius Mosely CB IL 3 3 3 4
Jarrod Clements DE OH 3 3 3 3
Reon Dawson CB OH 3 3 3 3
Christian DiLauro TE OH 3 3 3 3
Merrick Jackson DT IL 3 3 3 3
Reggie Spearman LB IL 3 3 3 3
Dillan Cazley CB IL 3 3 2 3
Bryce Douglas DT IL 3 3 2 3
Kendrick Foster RB IL 3 3 2 3
Joshua Jones S MI 3 3 2 3
Darwyn Kelly S DC 3 2 NR 3
Dawuane Smoot DE OH 3 2 2 3
Jesse Chadwell OL MI 2 3 3 3
Austin Schmidt OL OH 2 2 2 3
Martize Barr WR IA 2 2 2 JC
Miguel Hermosillo ATH IL NR 2 NR 3
Tyler White TE MI NR NR 3 3

No change for the Illini.

#5 Northwestern - 17 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Matt Alviti QB IL 4 4 4 4
Tyler Lancaster OL IL 3 3 4 3
Godwin Igwebuike ATH OH 3 3 3 4
Sam Coverdale OL OH 3 3 3 3
Matt Harris WR IL 3 3 3 3
Blake King OL IL 3 3 3 3
Brad North OL TX 3 3 3 3
Kyle Queiro ATH NJ 3 3 3 3
Anthony Walker Jr. LB FL 3 3 3 3
Brett Walsh LB CA 3 3 3 3
Keith Watkins RB OH 3 3 3 3
Eric Joraskie DE PA 3 3 2 3
Warren Miles-Long RB CA 3 3 2 3
Macan Wilson WR TX 3 2 2 3
Jayme Taylor TE TX 2 3 3 3
Xavier Menifield RB CA 2 3 3 3
Hunter Miswander K OH 2 2 2 2

No change for the Wildcats.

#6 Iowa - 16 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
David Kenney DE IN 4 4 3 4
Delano Hill S MI 4 3 4 3
Jon Wisnieski TE IA 3 3 3 4
Nathan Bazata DT NE 3 3 3 3
Colin Goebel OL IL 3 3 3 3
Brant Gressel DT OH 3 3 3 3
John Kenny LB IN 3 3 3 3
Derrick Mitchell Jr. S MO 3 3 3 3
Malik Rucker S MN 3 3 3 3
Nic Shimonek QB TX 3 3 3 3
Solomon Warfield S OH 3 3 3 3
Sean Welsh OL OH 3 3 3 3
Derrick Willies WR IL 3 3 3 3
Trevon Young LB IA 3 2 4 3
Ike Boettger TE IA 2 2 3 2
Andre Harris ATH MO 3 2 3 3

No change for the Hawkeyes.

#7 Nebraska - 14 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Marcus McWilson S OH 4 4 4 3
Josh Banderas LB NE 4 4 4 4
Marcus Newby LB MD 4 3 4 4
Johnny Stanton QB CA 3 4 4 4
Christian Lacouture DE TX 3 4 4 3
A.J. Natter DE WI 3 4 3 3
Dan Samuelson OL IN 3 4 3 3
Courtney Love LB OH 3 3 4 4
Jonathan Cook CB AL 3 3 3 3
Nathan Gerry S SD 3 3 3 3
Kevin Gladney WR OH 3 3 3 3
Zach Hannon OL MO 3 3 3 3
Greg Hart TE OH 3 3 3 3
Gabriel Miller LS IN 2 2 2 2

No change for the Huskers.

#8 Michigan State - 13 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jon Reschke LB MI 4 4 4 4
Shane Jones LB OH 4 3 3 4
Dennis Finley OL MI 3 4 3 4
Damion Terry QB PA 3 4 3 4
Darian Hicks CB OH 3 3 4 3
Jalyn Powell S OH 3 3 3 4
Delton Williams ATH PA 3 3 3 4
Demetrius Cooper DE IL 3 3 3 3
Gerald Holmes RB MI 3 3 3 3
R.J. Shelton RB WI 3 3 3 3
Trey Kilgore WR OH 3 3 3 3
Devyn Salmon DT FL 3 3 2 3
Jay Harris WR PA 2 3 3 3
Dylan Chmura TE WI 3 2 2 NR

The Spartans add PA ATH Delton Williams. Dennis Finley picks up a fourth star from Scout.

#9 Wisconsin - 13 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Darius Latham DT IN 4 4 4 4
Chikwe Obasih DE WI 4 3 4 3
Keelon Brookins CB MN 4 3 3 3
Rob Wheelwright WR OH 3 4 3 3
Austin Ramesh ATH WI 3 3 4 3
Garret Dooley LB IL 3 3 3 4
Alec James DE WI 3 3 3 4
Jack Keeler OL IL 3 3 3 4
Sojourn Shelton CB FL 3 3 3 4
Matt Miller OL OH 3 3 3 3
T.J. Watt ATH WI 3 3 3 3
Sam Raridon DT IA 3 3 NR 3
Jazz Peavy WR WI 3 2 2 3

The Badgers gain a commitment from FL CB Sojourn Shelton. T.J. Watt gets a three-star rating from ESPN.

#10 Penn State - 11 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Adam Breneman TE PA 4 5 4 4
Christian Hackenberg QB VA 4 4 5 4
Garrett Sickels DE NJ 4 4 4 4
Brendan Mahon OL NJ 4 3 3 4
Andrew Nelson OL PA 3 3 3 4
Brandon Bell LB NJ 3 3 3 3
Curtis Cothran DE NJ 3 3 3 3
Neiko Robinson S FL 3 2 3 3
Tanner Hartman OL VA 2 2 3 2
Jordan Smith CB DC 2 2 NR 3
Kasey Gaines S GA NR 2 3 3

No change for the Nittany Lions.

#11 Purdue - 12 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Danny Etling QB IN 4 3 3 3
Keyante Green RB GA 3 3 3 4
Kyle Shortdridge DT FL 3 3 3 3
Randy Gregory DE AZ 3 3 3 JC
Austin Logan S FL 3 3 2 3
Johnny Thompson DE GA 3 3 NR 2
Dwayne Johnson OL IL 3 2 3 3
David Yancey RB IN 3 2 3 3
Jake Replogle DE OH 3 2 2 3
John Strauser DE IL 3 2 NR 3
Parker Cothren DE AL 2 2 2 2
Myles Norwood WR TX 2 NR 3 3

The Boilermakers pick up FL DT Kyle Shortridge.

#12 Indiana - 11 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Antonio Allen S IN 4 4 3 4
Danny Friend TE IL 3 3 3 3
Chase Dutra S IN 3 3 3 2
Isaac Griffith WR IN 3 2 3 3
Evan Jansen TE OH 3 2 3 3
Demetrius Hill DT KS 3 3 3 JC
Patrick Dougherty DE OH 3 2 2 2
Anthony Young WR OH 2 3 3 3
Jacobi Hunter DT TX 2 3 2 3
Myles Graham RB FL 2 2 NR 2
Jordan Heiderman DT IA NR 2 2 JC

No change for the Hoosiers.

#13 Minnesota - 6 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Alex Mayes OL TX 3 3 3 3
Owen Salzwedel DE WI 3 3 3 3
Jordan Hinojosa DT KS 3 2 NR JC
Chris Wipson LB MN 2 2 3 3
Chris Streveler QB IL 2 2 3 3
Jalen Myrick CB GA 2 2 NR 3

No change for the Gophers. Oof, Gophers.

Comments

turd ferguson

October 14th, 2012 at 8:09 PM ^

Such a bummer about Dawson.

Ace, I've made this argument before, each time stressing that it's really not a big deal either way (still isn't), but I figured that I'd try one more time.

I know that you're going for objectivity when you use that "points" measure to rank classes, but I think it's the wrong measure.  (As it stands, it's the total number of stars for a class divided by four.)

I did a diary with a different way of illustrating class quality, and I think it makes that point.  If you look at the chart below, it seems hard to justify having, for example, Northwestern's class ranked above those of Nebraska, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, and Iowa.  (You have both Northwestern and Illinois ahead of all five of those schools.)

My two cents, for what they're worth:  when you're working with a small, manageable number of classes like this, subjective rankings (like the ones you used to do) almost always will be more reasonable than rankings based on any non-super-complicated formula.  I work with numbers for a living, but I think people often see numbers and assume objective truth, when they typically require just as many, if not more, questionable assumptions as less numbers-based measures.

Long story short:  I liked it better the old way, but this still doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

UMaD

October 15th, 2012 at 11:28 AM ^

This argument is one that's been many times on this board and Ace always falls back on the "this is a snapshot in time" argument, even though no one cares about WHEN a recruit committed once they hit campus.

If we're ranking teams based on how well recruiting is going opportunity cost needs to be acknowledged.

I think eventually Ace will change the rankings methodology, but, given the heavy Michigan-centric orientation (I'll be generous and not use the word BIAS) of this blog it's going to take Michigan getting 'screwed' for it to change.  That will happen, inevitably.

Right now, Michigan leads in quantity so quantity isn't viewed as a problem in the methodology.  But some year when Minnesota or MSU or whoever gets 20 3-stars quickly, while Michigan patiently moves about it's business of collecting high 4 stars and 5 stars for what is ultimately going to be a 17 or 18 person class, THEN Ace or someone else will change the methodology to be more reflective of how well a team is recruiting at a given time.

Right now, Notre Dame is getting better recruits than Michigan according to 3 of the 4 sites, but because they have one (ONE!) fewer recruit (out of 20+) they are ranke lower than Michigan.  That is silly.  But it is silly in a way that 'favors' Michigan, so it's okay.  If  (when) it is the other way around the board will be in an uproar.  Or at least the people who bother to read/care about such a thing.

 

GoBlueOval

October 14th, 2012 at 11:18 PM ^

How much longer are we going to include Notre Dame in these rankings? Now that they've taken a step closer to the ACC and will no longer be playing Michigan annually (in two more years), I move that we remove them from these rankings. 

Who's with me?

justingoblue

October 15th, 2012 at 1:28 AM ^

in the 9/30 post. FWIW I'm in favor of keeping them on the list; they're a program that recruits similar players to M, and is one of the only midwest schools that qualifies as a recruiting powerhouse (so they're a good barometer for Michigan). Other than Ohio and MSU, they're the team I'm most interested in seeing recruiting rankings for, followed by PSU after a sizeable dropoff.

ChicagoB1GRed

October 15th, 2012 at 8:52 AM ^

players?

My uninformed opinion was that ND was more "national" based and Michigan more B1G based. Sure looks that way here, UM 18/22, ND 8/21 in the conference footprint.

Thanks to both authors for interesting, informative charts.

justingoblue

October 15th, 2012 at 9:54 AM ^

but from my count of offers (on Scout), Michigan has four commits with ND scholarship offers, and maybe four or five with "interest" from ND. In ND's 2013 class, ten of their commits hold Michigan offers.

Like I said, this isn't the best measure (top five or ten lists would be better for the recruits that release them), but it seems like a ND offer is usually a big deal to M guys that get it, and that a M offer is a somewhat big deal for the guys in ND's class.

FTR the list of committed players with offers from each: Logan Tuley-Tillman, Taco Charlton, Kyle Bosch, Dymonte Thomas, Alex Anzalone, Jaylon Smith, John Montelus, Devin Butler, Mike McGlinchey, Hunter Bivin, Colin McGovern, James Onwualu, Jacob Matuska, Steven Elmer.

Edit: To compare with your class, there are three Nebraska commits with Michigan offers, and five M commits with Nebraska offers. Those players are: Kevin Gladney, Christian Lacouture, Marcus McWilson, Ross Douglas, Maurice Hurst, Michael McCray, Taco Charlton, Kyle Bosch.

I'd guess that Penn State's numbers are similar to Nebraska's, but probably a bit higher (until this class at least). Virtually every midwest recruit M goes after seems to have an offer sheet that includes MSU, although they probably only get 2-3 per year with a Michigan offer. My totally unscientific guess is that we have more offers in common with ND than anyone other than MSU and Ohio State (excluding everyone without a realistic shot at landing a guy, like EMU or Toledo or something).