BlueJellow

August 28th, 2010 at 11:31 AM ^

First,

there is no way you can logically equate the military to football. Except for the bands, physical training, strategic planning, high intensity and high stress situations, instructors yelling at you, pride, band of brothers, oh shall I go on? 

Second, 

Flyovers are awesome, they are a show of pure power, and meant to be exciting, not to conjure up any feeling about anything except awe. The only argument against this is that any time a pilot takes one of those aircraft to the air they are risking their lives. Don't forget they are sitting on top of a JET ENGINE.

Third,

America, bitches, America.

M-Wolverine

August 28th, 2010 at 1:30 PM ^

Because contrary to the "Please don't neg me just because you disagree", this is EXACTLY the type of post that needs it. Because it brings politics into the site, and makes it continue one for post after post. And it's inflammatory politics, because even the OP knows it's going to piss off a lot of people.  Yet, barely a vote to notify any mods or anything. And it's not because of "please disagree with me but dont' neg me", but because no one will cough up the point.

I don't care if you agree, or disagree with the post. On here at least. Because it shouldn't be on here. There's somewhere else it can be debated.

Section 1

August 27th, 2010 at 11:29 PM ^

If I am not mistaken, it was a B-25 (nicknamed "Ol' 98") that Lt. Tom Harmon was piloting in WWII, when it went down in the jungle of French Guiana in a tropical storm.  The Army Air Corps mounted a huge search, with no luck, and then four days later, Harmon, the lone survivor of the crash, walked out of the jungle.

Njia

August 28th, 2010 at 12:28 AM ^

Are exceedingly rare. I can't say for certain whether one has done a fly-over at Michigan Stadium, but I'm guessing not.

You may have heard that an expedition team found a P-38 frozen within a glacier on Greenland, retrieved it, and rebuilt it. That plane has been making appearances for a few years.

The P-38 was designed by the team at Lockheed headed by Kelly Johnson, (also the chief designer of the U-2, SR-71, and other very famous planes). Kelly Johnson was a U-M alumnus.

Ernis

August 28th, 2010 at 1:16 AM ^

That is quite a story about the frozen P-38.

As for Kelly Johnson, he has definitely represented Michigan well. I am hoping that, some day, they do an SR-71 flyover to honor him.

Section 1

August 28th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^

I called Harmon's crashed B-25 "Ol' 98."  And I'm not certain that was the correct name.

Here is Lt. Harmon in front of his B-25, nicknamed "Little Butch."  Whether it was this B-25 that went down in the tropical storm, I am not certain:

 

 

And here is Harmon in front of "Little Butch II," the P-38 Lightning he flew in China and in which he was shot down later in the war.  (The P-38 is the plane used by the Pacific forces to shoot down the plane of Admiral Yamamoto in one of the great intelligence coups of the war, in which a young Naval intelligence officer from Chicago named John Paul Stevens was involved.)

MGoShoe

August 28th, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^

...of when Harmon was shot down over China in his P-38.

In any case, his celebrity couldn't help Harmon now. Three of the Zeros headed toward the American bombers. Meanwhile, he snuck up under a Zero and opened up his guns. The canopy of the Japanese fighter sheered away, its engine burst into flames. The Zero spun out of control, free falling toward the ground, trailing fire and smoke. Harmon pulled up, looking for another target. The dogfight was roaring some eight thousand feet above the Yangtze River, about 350 miles into Japanese-occupied China. It was a cool, clear Saturday morning, good visibility. He soon found another target.

As a Zero climbed from a lake below, Harmon plunged in on it and fired. A chunk tore out of the Zero's left wing then—Ba-boom—it blew up. It was Harmon's third kill of the war.

He had no time to celebrate. From nowhere, three shots tore into his P-38. One clanged off the armor plating behind him. Another banged off the armor under his seat. The third bullet shot between his legs, igniting the gas line, blowing his famously fleet feet off the pedals and ripping off most of his pants. He reached down, frantically patting with his hands to exterminate the flames searing his legs. The console exploded. His cockpit instantly became an inferno. Harmon was on fire, his plane free-falling earthward. With his left hand he painfully loosened his seat belt, jettisoned his canopy, and was immediately sucked out into the open air, into the dogfight.

Harmon panicked. He yanked his ripcord; the parachute jerked open. Far too soon. He was five thousand feet in the air, in the middle of a 10-plane dogfight, a free-floating, defenseless target under a billowing white bullseye. Zeros strafed his chute. He hung his head down over chest and played dead. And he prayed. Oh, did he pray.

WolverineEagle

August 28th, 2010 at 3:31 PM ^

Propaganda is everywhere. Anti-war people distort facts and use questionable logic every bit as much as the government and those who espouse an aggressive foreign policy do.

In studying media as I did when I was in journalism school, I learned that there are very few people out there who will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Almost everyone has an an agenda they want to advance.It amuses me to no end when I see partisans on both sides of a given issues blast each other for doing what they themselves do.

As for the military display, I think you and other anti-war folks would do well to remember that there would be no Constitution, no Bill of RIghts, no manumission of the slaves,..WITHOUT the military.In short, there would be no United States without men willing to committ acts of  violence on a large scale. It is as if you have forgotton our nation's history.

Is our military often  misused? Absolutely. Our government  has frequently  wasted the lives of our soldiers and Marines for causes of a dubious nature.That is why we need people to scrutinize our government.

Military displays are a spectacule of not just  of the awesome power of our military, but of the magnificant ability of the human mind to create machines capable of soaring high above us at supersonic speed. These jet planes are examples of the miracles of science. Yeah, there are more important and beneficial examples, but they do not carry the visceral allure of a jet plane. Anything that can be done to promote math and science in this country should be done.

Flyin' Blue

August 29th, 2010 at 7:29 PM ^

Brian,

 As an alum of the Michigan Navy ROTC, I can honestly say it's good to see some good publicity on here and that CAPT V is getting the word out! Keep it up!

profitgoblue

August 30th, 2010 at 9:54 AM ^

Thanks a million for posting that.  You are correct, sir.  That is by far the best flyover I've seen.  That's about $1.5 billion in the sky right there!  Awesome.