If you're writing this post from East Lafayette, this somehow makes sense and I sympathize with you.

Just curious why you put Vinopal and Robinson but not Carvin Johnson. What about their profiles made you include those two but not Carvin? Otherwise I think your list is pretty solid. I wouldn't be shocked to see another receiver burn a redshirt or another DB like Talbott or Witty if they're good enough.

Dileo will get a shot at punt returner. Not sure any freshman corners will start, per se. Could happen, but Warren may not go. Even if he does, you have Woolfolk & Turner. Plus outside shot that Cissoko returns. Add Witty to your list of candidates, as well. Even if Furman goes blue, I think he's looking at RS to put on some pounds.

I wouldn't be so sure that Devin Gardner would redshirt. Although most players (esp quarterbacks) improve the most between their first and second years of collegiate play, I think Devin can come in and challenge for the starting position. Wait until you see him in spring ball. His height gives him a big advantage over Tate in that he can see over the linemen. I mean no disrespect to Tate, but it is an issue as far as pass blocks. Additionally, I think you need to include Ray Vinopal as a possible kick/punt returner. He has speed and he has some size to him. I would also LOVE to see Denard Robinson as a punt/kick returner. The kid is fast and hard to tackle. My only concern would be for an injury. I' just waiting for Big Tex to announce tomorrow and we can get another "Hello" from Brian.

furman will play this coming season. he's never really played a true LB position so it'd be in his best interest to RS. i'd also hope we're able to RS gardner as he really needs time to refine his mechanics and learn the offense (we all saw what it can look like with a frosh learning on the job). 2010 should be good but i think 2011 will be the year.

I agree that Gardner probably has a better long-term upside than Forcier, but do you really want to be starting a true freshman for the second consecutive year? More importantly, would Rodriguez want to take that risk? My guess is that, unless something goes seriously wrong with Forcier between now and then, Rodriguez will want his experienced sophomore under center. And if Forcier is the starter, Gardner might as well redshirt, to put two years of eligibility distance between him and Forcier. Obviously that would change if Forcier self-destructs and Denard Robinson cannot develop into a credible backup (meaning, someone who can make defenses respect the pass). But the going-in position has to be that Gardner does not start.

I really hope that neither of the running backs you mention have to contribute this year. With Shaw, Touissant, Cox, and Smith (who hopefully will be ready to go by spring) all having at least a one-year head start Barwisizing and more familiarity with the offense, it's a bad sign if any freshman RB needs to play.

I only Mentioned Devin Gardner and that he wasn't going to redshirt because the original post stated that he was a possible Redshirt. I don't think so at all.

You have some serious gaps give it a C+. Where the hell is Jerald Robinson? At this point he could be the best WR coming in, even ahead of Ricardo Miller. Expect Bryan Wright to compete with Hagerup for punter. Expect Stephen Hopkins to play come this fall, with White probably redshirting. Where is Ken Wilkins, he could compete for BGs spot or RVBs spot if he moves over? Do some basic research man.

Freshman RBs have no chance at starting.

Offensive contributors:

• Hopkins
• White
• 2 of Miller, Robinson, Jackson

Defensive:

• Wilkins
• Marvin Robinson
• Chirstian
• Johnson
• Maybe even one of Avery, Grimes, Talbott

Special Teams:

• Dileo
• Hagerup

RB,CB,DT,K otherwise, you play people out of necessity. The more freshman we have playing at other positions, the more concerned I'll be.Assuming true freshman can beat out our flawed returners is wishful thinking. It could happen but its very unlikely for anyone other than top 30-40 recruits nationally. QB: Gardner may be too good to hold back, but I'm in the minority that thinks he won't beat out DRob and will redshirt. WR: I don't see Miller helping a lot next year. Outside receiver is reasonably deep too (Stonum, Hemingway, Savoy, Stokes,etc). Someone won't redshirt because theres too many guys in one class, but I doubt they make a major impact. LB: Furman will be behind Ezeh, Mouton, Fitgerald, Leach and a bunch of others. Redshirt. Furman is not a top 20 national recruit that you'd expect to jump in and make an immediate impact. CB: I would expect freshman to play out of need, but only as backups. The starters should be Turner and Woolfolk if Cissoko and Warren aren't back. Plus there is JT Floyd. S: Experience is especially critical at this position. I love Johnson especially as a long-term prospect but I don't know about anyone of them stepping up right away. Maybe Robinson because of talent and EE.

Sorry to rain on your parade but I wouldn't expect much contribution from the true freshmen this year. I see Will Hagerup at punter, Dileo at punt return, Cullen Christian at db and one or two of the wide receivers (Jackson, Miller or Robinson) and maybe Marvin Robinson contributing. Although I think some of those guys might redshirt as well. Our team has an established two deep at every position except outside wide receiver and none of our recruits are considered to be "oh my god five star can't miss gods" Even Devin Gardner is reported to need a lot of work and he will be behind Forcier for sure and probably Robinson. Anything different is just wishful thinking. This is not a bad thing by the way. I don't want true freshman seeing the field. There is a reason OSU didn't have a single player on the all-conference freshman team. They don't play freshman, even redshirts, because they are so stocked with upper class talent. That is where we are going and rightfully so. Now if you want to talk redshirt freshman, then we have Toussaint, Turner, Gallon, Mike Jones, Hawthorne, Lalota, Lewan, Washington, T. Gordon, C. Gordon, Bell, Gibbons, Schofield not to mention rarely playing sophomores Emelien, Stokes, Teric Jones and Campbell. My early proposed two deep. qb-Forcier, D. Robinson rb-Toussaint, Smith, Shaw lt tk-Dorrestein, Lewan lt gd-Schilling, Washington c-molk, koury rt gd-Omameh, Ferrara, Barnum rt tk-Huyge, Lewan, Omameh slot- Odoms, Roundtree, Gallon x-wr- Hemingway, Stokes y-wr-Stonum, ?true freshman or Roundtree ss-Woolfolk, Emelien fs- Kovacs, Williams spinner-Bell, Hawthorne, Jones WLB-Mouton, Demens, Marvin Robinson? MLB-Ezeh, Fitzgerald Quick-Roh, Herron sde-Martin, Banks, dt-campbell, sageese wde-VanBergen, Lalota cb-Turner, Floyd (Warren) cb-T. Jones, Christian (Cissoko)