WTKA Roundtable 9/27/2018: Keep Steve Welmer Comment Count

Seth September 28th, 2018 at 7:10 AM

Things discussed:

  • Nebraska is in Year Zero: don't take this game too seriously
  • Michigan's offensive identity: Down G? The thing about Down G is if the LB reads it right the defense has it dead to rights
  • The Down G wrinkles keep it viable. Bubble screen off Down G action and Jet Sweep and Flaring a TE
  • Dylan McCaffrey has grown up a lot at Michigan—good to see his arm gets downfield
  • Nebraska's pass rush is the worst we'll face.
  • Warinner/Ruiz effect: unblocked guys not getting through as much. Stopping the Gaz is another matter
  • The officials: A lot of curious calls. O'Neill Crew calls a facemask thanks to replay guy.
  • Craig says the safety call was correct (made by someone upstairs) because what if someone catches it? Throwing is directing it not establishing possession.
  • Targeting/Not Targeting: Hudson puts his helmet in the QB's chest. Sam thinks last week wasn't this week was because he's leading with the head (does facemask count?). Two NFL quarterbacks got freak injuries so you can't hit low on the quarterback now. They totally missed the very real targeting on Ben Mason
  • NW: Clayton Thorson is the Mitch Leidner of this year's Big Ten. The Gaz. "Paddy Fisher."
  • Nick Bosa: Is he going to take the whole year off, or just every game but The one?
  • Brian had a daughter in the middle of preview season and forgot to tell anybody

You can catch the entire episode on Michigan Insider's podcast stream on Podbean.

Segment two is here. Segment three is here.

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Comments

WindyCityBlue

September 28th, 2018 at 8:21 AM ^

Ok. Small complaint. I recall sometime last week before the Nebraska game, the mGoCrew thought Nebraska is a team that Michigan would have difficulty against. I believe the term was “sneaky good”. Now, Nebraska is shit and we can’t take much away from the game?  So which is it? Is Nebraska “sneaky good” or not?

I understand the benefit of hindsight, but I think maybe (just maybe) we are an elite team about to come into its own. As oppose to opponent being crap. 

outsidethebox

September 28th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^

Michigan has elite potential. But as I keep saying, winning games is about execution and competing on every down by every player. Here, football is too complicated to expect to win 11 battles on every play...though that's pretty much what happened against Nebraska.

As the best coach I ever played for would remind us "There is one thing there is no rule against-bad officiating"...Michigan should probably have won 80-0. 

dragonchild

September 28th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^

Now, Nebraska is shit and we can’t take much away from the game?  So which is it? Is Nebraska “sneaky good” or not?

I understand the benefit of hindsight

If your reaction to people with the humility to admit their predictions were wrong is to fail to tell the difference between prediction and revision, and thus demand they clarify their stance again, then no, you don't understand the benefit of hindsight at all.

WindyCityBlue

September 28th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

Um. I fully understand the benefit of hindsight. Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. 

You see, let me lecture you on this topic. With the benefit of hindsight, you have 2 general paths you can take after the Nebraska game:

1. Nebraska is butt, we are still a good (not great) team, but nothing to really take away from this game; or

2. Nebraska is still sneaky good, and the result of the game is that we are an elite team coming into their own who made Nebraska look like butt. 

(I understand there is some nuance between the choices)

 Based on the podcast, Brian and crew (with hindsight) lean way too much on path #1 and don’t really consider path #2. That’s my compliant. 

Seth

September 28th, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^

I think you're misunderstanding how the hindsight gets value. We're not out to just assign narratives; we're trying to understand what happens by testing old hypotheses with new data. I watched a bunch of Nebraska film and coaching competence and a smattering of good players. As soon as I got to rewatch the game (you never trust your initial instincts because you don't see everything live) I started seeing a lot of mistakes by Nebraska, not a lot of great play by Michigan. Brian saw a lot of the same things. Michigan leaves a linebacker unblocked in the hole, the linebacker runs himself too far outside and can't make a tackle. When you see that and go back to revise an opinion, it's to downgrade Nebraska against expectations.

Specifically I think in their first few games Nebraska was able to get great play out of WLB Mohamed Berry, and surprisingly okay play from their MLB Young, who was terrible last year. I clipped a bunch of plays to demonstrate it in FFFF and suggested that this improvement was likely coming from being allowed to make very simple reads. That comes with a cost and Michigan exploited it (the subject of my Neck Sharpies this week). What I didn't expect was that once their reads betrayed them they started reverting to bad habits that made them so bad. Ditto their secondary; they made big mistakes in this game that I didn't see in other games. I looked to see if they were forced by Michigan and sadly they were just mostly players doing bad things. That data goes to prove Nebraska's secondary is worse than they looked in their first two games, and the most likely reason we missed this is because two games are not a very good sample size.

Some parts of that game played out exactly as expected, and don't change opinions. I said their OLBs are not good and their DL doesn't generate pass rush, and that proved one of my best scouts to date. Harbaugh is a clever offensive coach, and that was reinforced too. Michigan's got a great defense that is very well coached and as predicted the things Michigan does well were the kinds of things that a very clever offensive coach can't do much about. Nebraska indeed had a good offensive game plan--they had an RPO that could have been a long touchdown on their first drive except Michigan tipped it and intercepted instead. Also they fell behind so quickly that the fight went out of them, and that edge is crucial for pulling off any kind of upset.

Michigan isn't bad either. Chase Winovich, Devin Bush, Rashan Gary, Karan Higdon, Cesar Ruiz, and Shea Patterson are all playing between very and extremely well. Chase and Devin are probably all-Americans.

These knowns. They were not disproven by losing to Notre Dame. We maybe got to see that Michigan is finding ways to keep JBB's run blocking on the field by sacrificing some of the downfield TE passing game to help him. We still know little about Runyan as a pass blocker.

spiff

September 28th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^

On the safety, was the QB even in the end zone? It looks like he leaps from outside the goal line. So an intentional grounding call, sure. But I didn’t think it was a safety. 

dragonchild

September 28th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

The QB was not, but the ball clearly crossed the plane.  Martinez jumped from just in front of the goal line and had to reach backwards for the ball.

The safety, I think, illustrates just how terrible the NCAA is at writing rules.  I mean, we see it all the time from the compliance side, but this is embarrassing.  If you think of the QB as a receiver, it was most definitely not a catch.  But Craig has a point -- if the QB tried to throw the ball to a receiver, it would've been a forward pass.  As infamously bad as O'Neill's crew is (no officiating crew should become famous because it means they're that bad, which these clowns are), there's no way to get this perfect because the rules themselves are complete nonsense.

umich1

September 28th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^

I’m confused as to why there is so much confusion on the safety.

Twice, in the same play, the quarterback intentionally propelled the ball forward, in a controlled way, in the direction of his intention.  That is called a “pass”.  Two of them is called a “penalty.”