WTKA Roundtable 8/2/2018: Why Are Our Rivals So Terrible? Comment Count

Seth August 3rd, 2018 at 9:41 AM

[Bryan Fuller]

We’re back!

Things discussed:

  • Meyer: The guy in charge now isn’t the guy in charge before, but the guys in charge before were just guys in charge.
  • Perspective: the MSU thing is way worse, but not being Engler is a possible motivation to overreact.
  • How is it the biggest story out of media day is Jim Harbaugh? Only one guy in the national media is digging into Aaron Hernandez, all the arrests at Florida.
  • Craig tells the story how Lloyd suspended a star player for a big game on the whiff of a serious charge.
  • Impression of new OSU president is he’s a serious dude.
  • Legal issue: Unless there’s a mandatory reporting there’s no legal issue. It’s completely an ethical issue.
  • Everybody knew. Everybody on the Ohio State beat knew.
  • What one ESPN guy is covering and nobody else seems to be: We’ve seen this pattern at Florida, where Urban “counsels” a violent person who’s useful to him and that’s the end of it until something else happens again.
  • Bringing back Reschke: The usual at MSU. The whole idea of letting players vote is a gross dereliction of responsibility. Jermaine Carter tweeted out that he wasn’t surprised because their entire offensive line talked the same way. Negative recruit away: If you wanna play with racists go to State!

You can catch the entire episode on Michigan Insider's podcast stream on Podbean.

Segment two is here. Segment three is here.


What, are they gonna bang the rocks the wrong way?



August 3rd, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^

Because you get paid to win! Period. Not graduate players, not development men, not be a "good, ethical, moral" etc. guy. You get paid to win football games.

Randy Shannon was charged with cleaning up the Miami football program after the Davis and Coker era. By all accounts he did a fantastic job with that. He was fired because, at the end of the day, nobody gives a fuck about that.


August 3rd, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

At Miami they don't.

But I will say, I always appreciated how Tommy Amaker cleaned up M's hoops program and I'm still a fan of the guy even though he never got us to the NCAAs.  It's tough, but at some point you do have to say, "thanks, but we'd like to win now."

I don't know enough about the Randy Shannon situation to say whether he got a fair chance to prove himself at the U, but his Wikipedia page shows he went 9-4 and 7-5 his last two seasons there and only got 4 years overall.  Granted, it's probably easier to win in football at Miami than hoops at Michigan but that still seems like a pretty quick hook.  Amaker got six years.


August 3rd, 2018 at 4:08 PM ^

"At Miami they don't."

They don't at Michigan either! Tommy Amaker is consistently denigrated on this board. Why? Because he didn't win enough basketball games. 

"thanks, but we'd like to win now."

Thanks for proving my point. Coaches know this and they know if they don't win they will not be coaches anymore. Division I athletics is a cesspool because of this. It's similar to any ultra-competitive business in which it is easy to keep score--Wall Street, for example, certainly comes to mind.



August 3rd, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^

"If you wanna play with racists go to State!"

*clap clap*

Am I the only one that read this to the beat of "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands?


August 3rd, 2018 at 10:47 AM ^

Reschke is a 6th year senior who was kicked off the team for racist stuff? How does MSU keep getting these 6 year guys? Didn't know taking a year off for being racist was worth getting a 6th year. 

Benoit Balls

August 3rd, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^

So the latest is that "Zachs Smith wife is a drunk too, and she called 911 like 65 times in 90 days on Zach and bitches be crazy and the Police wont even go to her house anymore because she cried wolf all the time and the pictures were't even recent and really, why is this Urbans fault"?

It's like these people are reading some kind of handbook



August 3rd, 2018 at 11:50 AM ^

So the actual Ohio State fans I know personally (including my hard-core Dad*) are all in the "Zero Tolerance means Zero Tolerance," save for my Step-Mom's Dad, who basically just said, "Damnit."

Ohio State hasn't played this perfectly, but they have done 3,000 times better so far than Penn State or MSU. If they actually fire him (and most Ohio State fans think they will, fwiw), I think they deserve a B-.

Maybe I just know 83% of all reasonable Ohio State fans, but they all think he's gone. They really think highly of their President, and just don't think he's going to let this slide. I think there's a chance he's merely suspended for a year, but I'd put it at like 50/50 at this point.

*I was adopted.


August 3rd, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^

When is that new big story supposed to come out on MSU? How Dantonio and Izzo still have jobs is beyond me. What they have covered up and lied about is way worse than what has come out so far on Meyer. Now maybe there is more to the story on Meyer, but what has been released to the public so far....he looks like a saint compared to those two. Any update UMBig11?