This Week's Obsession: A Snowball's Chance Comment Count

Seth

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Two ways we can go.

Ace: I feel obligated to ask a question about The Game despite barely even having the will to watch the dang thing at this point. So... what miracle (or series of miracles) needs to transpire for Michigan to win? Is there a weakness on the Buckeyes that you can see Michigan exploiting in an alternate universe where Michigan exploits weaknesses?

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Seth: The Buckeyes are good, but they're not perfect. The backfield and DL are legit, but the LBs and DBs and WRs are still guys who live on their athleticism more so than technique, and the OL is still just as young as ours. Urban covers up the youth well, but it shows at times.

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Urban's message to Barrett: don't try to be perfect. [11w]

J.T. Barrett isn't Braxton Miller, for better and worse. Barrett isn't going to glide past your containment the way Miller always could; on the other hand he's way more accurate on deep balls, giving Ohio State a lethal third dimension. Teams that have had defensive success against the Buckeyes have been crashing the ends on Elliott to force Barrett to run, trusting their athletes can chop him down in space. Penn State and Virginia Tech both kept his run/pass ratio relatively even, and mixed up coverages like crazy to try to temp Barrett into turnovers. The strategy is vulnerable deep, but sometimes you can get lucky (Indiana), or weather can interfere (Minnesota), or your defensive line can generate enough organic pressure (Penn State) to deny Barrett the chance.

Michigan's DL has the chops to keep the OSU run game in hand without selling out on it. The coverage has been good except when tempo'ed, which Meyer would be all to happy to use but for his young offense.

The thing about Meyer's OSU is it's not going to surprise you. He covers his players' weaknesses by having them repeatedly do the things they're good at, in a system that makes sense and takes advantage of whatever it's given. Brady Hoke, on the other hand, tends to spend big chunks of games making his players do things they're bad at, and almost never takes strategic advantages when they're presented. There is an advantage in punching yourself in the face all season, because OSU has scant film on what happens when a Brady Hoke team actually uses its talents.

In some whacky scenario, Michigan throws a bunch of Cover 3 and robber things it's been saving up all year, and Barrett shorts his deep balls enough for Ray Taylor to have a GAME, and Gardner comes out like his old self, and Nussmeier finally debuts a fully integrated offense that's allowed to go deep, and Funchess decides the draft stock opportunity this provides is enough to GAF, and Norfleet runs one back, and there's no flags, and then Denard suddenly reveals he has another year of eligibility, and Jim Harbaugh flies down from his moon base on Apollo 17, and every kid Ohio State has visiting commits to him, and together they all make ice cream non-fattening, bring peace to the Middle East, and beat Ohio State 34-27.

[Jump for even more implausible scenarios.]

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Adam:

"We were able to put some things together that we hadn’t to that point. I wish I knew why, because we would have done it this far in the season. Hopefully we’ll be in that same kind of situation again where it’s neck and neck and we can put yourselves in a chance to win the game."

-Jack Miller on 2013 OSU, November 24, 2014

Oh. Okay. Now that my expectations have been reset from "maybe it'll be like last year" to "we still have nice helmets," let's talk miracles. I think it starts with Michigan coming out and putting pressure on Ohio State's secondary. That sounds stupid, but Michigan's had a 6'5 manbearchild who they've decided to deploy on a bunch of screens and crossing routes. You're going to have to take shots down the field to try and stretch them vertically. As Seth said, their LBs and DBs live off their athleticism, and allowing them to run roughshod near the line of scrimmage is asking for disaster.

The next miracle I'd ask for is Devin Gardner to be fully healthy. If you Michigan can integrate some designed runs for Gardner that's going to keep their defense honest enough to take the aforementioned shots down the field. Their defensive line is very talented but their coaches have them slant frequently, so they're prone to losing gap integrity at times.

Other necessary miracles: no dropped passes, no missed reads, no missed blocking assignments, gap integrity against the run, maintaining inside leverage against receivers, good clock management. What is that, eight miracles? Hmm. At least we still have nice helmets.

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Mathlete: Hit the turnover/big play jackpot. As a deserved 20 point dog, Michigan is going to need 4 or 5 defensive turnovers+big plays on offense. If Michigan really has a bunch of secret stuff waiting to pull out for this game. Then Brady Hoke is the most of Michigan of all coaches. Going to the coaching grave with a flailing listless offense he is holding back for The Game. Do I hope it's true, definitely, I guess.

At this point there doesn't seem much downside. Let's get a fluky win and say goodbye to Hoke. With Hackett apparently here for the long haul now, that's as good a signal as any that Michigan is ready to hire a new football coach. Let's channel our 2011 fumble luck and beat the Buckeyes and wish Hoke on his merry way.

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Ace: Mathlete is right on the nose with this, which says how desperate the scenario is because... well, who's betting on Michigan winning the turnover battle against anyone these days? But, heck, luck is involved to a certain extent there, and that (combined with the stout run defense) provides a small ray of hope.

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In a world with Devin Gardner in it, all things are possible. [Upchurch]

Last week's OSU/Indiana game gives something of a blueprint, though it also indicates just how much luck might need to be involved. Is Jalin Marshall going to fumble twice again? That would be nice. I'm not expecting it. Meanwhile, 11W's film guru par excellence Ross Fulton identified the issues on JT Barrett's two interceptions against the Hoosiers:

Both interceptions came off vertical routes after faking a wide receiver screen. According to Urban Meyer, the first interception resulted from miscommunication. The second was a drop by Evan Spencer. In addition, the Buckeyes missed at least three open crossing routes on first down that would have resulted in chunk yardage.

Miscommunication could happen again; Barrett's got ten picks this year and is still a first-year-starter freshman, and he's got some young receiving targets out there. Having a Buckeye receiver drop a ball into the waiting arms of a defender might be less repeatable.

My biggest concern is that Indiana got 3/4 of the way to an upset through a handful of explosive plays, including a 90-yard touchdown run by Tevin Coleman. Michigan doesn't have a Tevin Coleman, nor do they appear to have any plays designed to be explosive in the playbook. Okay, that's not quite fair—that fake punt went a long way last week. Feed Kerridge!

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BiSB: There is one realistic scenario in which Michigan wins this game: JT Barrett gets hurt.

If you want to draw a pretty picture of how the game COULD unfold, you can do so. Michigan's front seven keeps the Ohio State running game in check by committing heavily to the run, and JT Barrett misses the resulting open receivers downfield (as happened against Indiana a few times). On offense, Michigan neutralizes Ohio State's defensive line much the way they did last year, with a number of quick-hitters and screens. They get enough coverage busts for Funchess or Darboh or Norfleet to pick up some big chunk plays. A newly semi-healthy Devin Gardner picks up some first downs with his legs, and Mat Wile has a big day. They get a couple of turnovers on special teams, and all of a sudden it's the 4th quarter and it's still a ballgame.

But that's a pipe dream. Of course Michigan can win this game, but if they do, it won't be the result of any strategic master stroke or Varsity Blues Halftime Coming-Together speech. Michigan can't play the Double Eagle defense that VT used to stymy the Buckeyes in week 2. They can't recreate the weather conditions from Minnesota. And if this team had a cure-all, I'm guessing we would have seen it by now. If Michigan wins, it will be because football is stupid and sometimes stupid things happen. And it is because of those stupid irrational things that we watch. It is why we watch nervously against inferior teams and with hope against superior teams. Sports don't make a damn bit of sense sometimes.

There's your hope.

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Brian: Weird stuff happens in football, so Michigan just needs to get three touchdowns from somewhere that have nothing to do with playing offense without giving up any of their own. A punt return (that isn't called back), a muffed punt for OSU (Jalin Marshall's had some issues), and winning the TO battle would do it. And by "do it" I mean "keep the game relatively tight so Michigan has a chance to win in the fourth quarter."

I guess it could happen. Football is the king of low sample size. I have no expectation it will.

Comments

The Man Down T…

November 26th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

on the field and not on paper.  That can be good like last year when we fell a 2 point conversion shy of winning.  Or it can be really bad like The Horror.  I choose to remain hopeful until the game is played.  Hey look, a unicorn too!!!

Stringer Bell

November 26th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

I'm not expecting a Hoke-coached team to actually look competent on the road, so I think this will be as bad as everyone fears.  But, on the bright side, it's the last time we'll have to see that bumbling moron on the sidelines.

Shop Smart Sho…

November 26th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

Maybe it could be like Carr's last bowl game where it seemed like the players completely ignored the OC and ran an offense that took advantage of what they're good at.

I'm thinking this time it would be the OC ignoring the HC and doing the exact opposite of what Hoke wants.

mGrowOld

November 26th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^

I think you're right on the Hoke involvement with the offensive gameplanning.  I'll bet you that at some point in the not too distant future we're going read & hear that Hoke had a LOT more input on why the offense looks the way it does than we think today.  

There's a constant that connects Al Borges & Doug Nussmeier offense's that going in - don't appear to be that similar yet in games look very much the same.

egrfree2rhyme

November 27th, 2014 at 4:46 AM ^

So you think that the players just made up that offense on the spot, called their own plays, and put 40 on Florida in spite of having never practiced that offense before?  Right.

Obviously that wasn't the same offense that we had ran all year, but the idea that the players "ignored" the OC and just decided on their own to run that system is laughable.

BornInAA

November 26th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

Only way we win is if OSU beats themselves with mistakes.

If the pressure to get into the playoff picture, or looking ahead to the BigTen championship game gets in their heads.

A few fumbles, bad snaps and ill-advised throws that give Michigan good field position.

If our offense doesn't have to drive 80 yds to score and a few of their drives are stopped by turnovers/penalites we have a chance.

 

 

M-Dog

November 27th, 2014 at 12:38 AM ^

Yes, we can't win this game, Ohio State has to lose it.

The style-points thing works to our advantage.  It happens with some frequency where teams needing a big win tighten up when the game is still close in the second half.  They go into outright panic mode when it's still close in the fourth quarter.  Which leads to over-pressing and mistakes.  Which can lead to a loss.

 

MonkeyMan

November 26th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

Actually if OSU can't shut down our run game we might have a chance- DG has to run and PASS well

But Hoke will find a way to lose it- he always does

Tater

November 26th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^

There is one chance for Michigan to win.  Hoke gets his staff together and says, "We have nothing to lose.  Remember all that shit Brandon told us we couldn't do?  He's gone now.  Let's run all the fun plays.  If it's our last game, we might as well go out swinging."

 

 

charblue.

November 26th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

to Stevie Brown a few years ago when a lousy Michigan team was in Columbus waiting for its head to be cut off with Rich Rodriguez running a no-threat offense. That turnover that brought such instant happiness (perhaps the highlight of that game) wound up in getting Michigan a three point lead. 

Hoke's teams have fared well against Meyer and staff in their three previous encounters. And Devin was at the helm when Michigan took a lead in Columbus at halftime the last time the team was there. And he put on the game of his life last year against the Buckeyes. So, even when we all thought that this team had nothing left to offer, they dug deep and found a way to compete if not win three years ago in that glorious year of Hokedom whose regime gets one more chance to lift the banner high. 

Bo always said that if he could prepare to play Ohio State, not even play the game per se, just prepare for it as his last game, then that is what he would seek as his last wish. Funny, that it came true for him in a way that no one even wants to remember, the last time Michigan-Ohio State really mattered. But at least, Hoke gets to go out on his own terms preparing for the big one just like his predecessors, even if he has to walk back from Columbus to Ann Arbor following it. 

kzoomgr

November 26th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

the first quarter, and if we're not down by 3+ TDs, will watch the 2nd quarter.  I give myself about a 50% chance of making it to the 2nd Qtr, and let's say something under 10% that I'll watch the 2nd half.  I fear this will be a smack down.

readyourguard

November 26th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

Urban Meyer is the master of exploiting opponenet's flaws.  We have too many to count.

Areas on defense where I expect us to be exposed:

WR over the top:  Poor technique allows thier WRs easy releases up the field.

WR slants: Our LBs stare at the QB on every pass play and never look to see what might be coming from the outside

TE in the middle seam and/or out route: Our LBs haven't been coached to distrupt the TE (or any #2 receiver).  The TE will have his way

RB off the edge: Our safeties aren't reading the line to get a run or pass read.  They bail out on every single snap.  That gives time for the run blocking to set up and the RB to gain yards. By the time our safeties read and react, the RB has a full head of steam and running lanes galore.

RB up the gut: Because OSU gashes us with a huge gainer right up the middle every time we play them.

I hate typing this because, in my opinion, this is high school JV-level stuff that we should not be having issues with.

Get this over with and put 2014 behind us.

 

 

dipshit moron

November 26th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

that is a helluva lot of ifs that have to happen to just stay in the game. 50 years of watvhing michigan and i feel like i have been transported back to the 60s.

Bobby Boucher

November 26th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

Don't snowballs immediately vaporize in Hell?

No chance whatsoever.  It seems like Michigan hasn't had a chance in this Game since Jesus Christ was a corporal.  I think the big surprise will actually be if we keep it within 2 touchdowns through 3 quarters and don't get pummeled.

charblue.

November 26th, 2014 at 3:41 PM ^

this is fergodsakes Michigan-Ohio State and if our guys get blown out it will not be the worst beatdown Michigan suffered before a man named Bo came along and changed the dynamic of this contest forever. The Ten Year War. If you lived through it, you know what those matchups were like. 

Hoke's teams have shown up for this game. They've competed beyond their suspect capability in previous encounters. Meyer has always had better offense than Michigan in his two games, and his team was pushed to the brink both times. Maybe things go differently on Saturday and maybe his team takes advantage of Michigan the way the rest of the league has. Maybe Michigan accounts for itself and their coaching staff in one last hurrah performance. 

There is no reason to hold back. The fan base wants to believe. It wants to rejoice. It wants to acknowledge the sacrifice and work of Team 135 and their coach, who is a great guy and loves this program like we all do. But, it's about winning --not looking good, or almost succeeding. The history is there. 

I'll tell you this, there is only one guy in Michigan lore that I know who guaranteed victory in this game and then delivered it. And that is the guy we want as our next coach. Because we won't have to wonder what kind of team will show up and perform in this contest and whether the effort will match will and desire. 

There is no need to hold back now. Give us what you got. We can all live with the outcome. 

Maize and Blue…

November 26th, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^

Seven of your eight miracles are simply good coaching, and I grant you, for this staff to coach a good game is a near miracle, and the last miracle, Devin's health, is less important than what is in Devin's head, for last year he was in poor health, but played the game of his life, and other times, when in good health, he has stunk.

In order to outscore OSU, you have to take the inititive, be one adjustment ahead of them, and force them to spend their time reacting to what YOU are doing, rather than letting them set the tone, and reacting to what they are doing. Show them something they haven't seen before, but must stop, force their adjustment, and then hit them with something totally different taking advantage of their adjustment, and having known what their adjustment would be to each move.Like a chess master, you think moves ahead, and have each counter move to their adjustment ready, and implement them in seemless fashion.

TrampleZone

November 26th, 2014 at 9:04 PM ^

Maybe I shouldn't say this in the wake of Frank Clark, but I really think the most likely scenario of Michigan winning is lots of Buckeye starters getting arrested between now and kickoff. Of course, the players would have to actually be in jail on gameday, otherwise Urban Meyer would only bench them for like one offensive series.

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west2

November 27th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^

What have y'all been consuming?   Do you buy lottery tickets too?  Fun to dream but it's going to be ugly in c-bus on Saturday.   My wife, an AA native and lifelong maize and blue diehard said it best, not going to waste the day planning around that game!   How about this prediction: Monday's pressor announces Brady Hoke is fired and Jim Harbaugh is hired!   Let the fun begin!