Mr. Yost

September 4th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^

Otherwise Bobby Knight would've never made it past 40 as a coach.

 

There's always going to be someone who love it. Whether it be the kid or the kids dad.

 

With that said, I don't think it's useful like Rich Rod, his staff and Kelly and his staff do it. You can yell and scream, but a part of leadership is getting the best out of EVERY player and staff memeber. And yelling isn't a motivational tool for EVERY one.

Tacopants

September 4th, 2011 at 4:20 PM ^

It would be nice if calmly and clearly explaining what went wrong and why it went wrong worked for everybody.  it doesn't.  Neither does telling the player that they did a good job and that they'll get it back.

Kelly, by any measure, seems like a smart coach.  I'm sure he realizes that he's a yeller.  He's probably got a few assistants or GAs on staff that are the go-to nice guy confidence builders.  

I mean, didn't we just hear that about Brady Hoke?  Hoke was the player's favorite assistant coach because they went to him when they were feeling down.  There are guys that do that well, and there are guys that are extremely effective at the invective.  Being nice will ensure that the players like you.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with actually winning football games.

Shop Smart Sho…

September 4th, 2011 at 6:39 PM ^

When you swear, it makes you look limited.  Also, it is a bit funny that you don't like a coach yelling, but as soon as someone disagrees with you, you drop the f-bomb. 

 

I don't know of any job that creates the kind of emotion and stress that sports does.  Especially when you are talking about a sport like football.  I don't think it is that odd that a coach would express that through yelling.  Maybe in your land of sunshine and rainbows it is possible though.

AAB

September 4th, 2011 at 6:48 PM ^

I'm an attorney, which isn't exactly the lowest stress job in the world.  We had a guy who frequently looked like Brian Kelly does in those clips, and attrition in that group was like 5 times higher than any other group.  Pretty much everyone in the office agreed it was completely unacceptable.  

And what Kelly is doing there isn't mere yelling.  Lloyd yelled at guys.  That's losing your mind on a sophomore in college (and the issue isn't the swearing, it's the "if it were legal I would totally be punching you in the face right now" vibe of the whole thing).  I think that's completely beyond the pale.  Agree to disagree, I guess.

profitgoblue

September 4th, 2011 at 7:39 PM ^

I had a a--hole parter when I was a first-year associate yell at me (with cursing) because I flew back from my grandfather's funeral on a Monday instead of coming back on a Sunday night to be at work early Monday morning.  It was probably one of the most stressful practice groups in any type of practice group there is and it was more or less acceptable.  I hated it - thought it was obnoxiously stupid - but the practice group had a great working relationship.  We worked hard and played hard.  But everyone is different.  Some of my friends couldn't take the heat and left.  Others are still there as partners, making a sh-tload of money.  To each their own.

 

gbdub

September 4th, 2011 at 11:46 PM ^

Yelling is part of football. Coaches screaming profanities and name-calling isn't. Hitting (hard) is part of football. Punching in the face is not. It's a matter of degree - the choice isn't between Brian Kelly and Mother Theresa.

Mr. Yost

September 4th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^

Does your boss freak the fuck out on you?(Score:3 Normal)

 

AAB

If so, do you consider that acceptable behavior?

 

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What? That doesn't even make sense. You're talking about the workplace. You're talking about a career job vs. intercollegiate athletics. You're talking about getting paid vs. not getting paid. You're usually talking about adults 22+ vs. young adults 18-22.

 

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

 

 

James Howlett

September 4th, 2011 at 4:46 PM ^

Pete Carroll had a steadfast role against demeaning criticism by his coaching staff in practices and games. He wanted his teams to bust ass in practices but, have fun,and it helped in recruiting too. His teams were tough, and obviously, very good. Purely anecdotal but, between my junior and senior year in high school we had a head coaching change. We went from a more cerebral, but tough coach to a coach who was right out of "meathead coach casting 101". Very foul mouthed and harshly critical. The team went from 8-1 to 1-8 although the talent wasn't appreciably worse.The coach was gone in two years. I wouldn't argue that it was solely because the coach was a jerk it contributed to it. Players didn't enjoy playing as much as they had. Participation continually dropped. Really, I believe you can be highly successful as a coach either way, but especially today, I think the notion that harsh criticism, let alone national humiliation, is necessary or preferable in making better players. Tougher players, has never been more wrong.

 

 

bronxblue

September 4th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^

The problem with screaming and yelling is that you better back it up with wins and some legitimate accomplishments.  Knight won (more than anyone in history), and so people put up with it.  Also, the sensibilities of college athletes has changed in the past couple of decades, and the old style of belittling players in practice and public has definitely lost some of its effectiveness.  This is especially true at a school like ND where most (if not all) of the recruited kids were the best players on their teams from the time they played pop warner.  I think it is a social change as much as change is philosophy, but kids today are not going to default to "taking it" from a foul-mouthed coach at every turn.  At some point, kids are going to tune out a coach who hasn't really won anything yet and who blames them for every bad thing that happens. 

You see it in the professional leagues where screamers/"old school" coaches like Herm Edwards and Scott Skiles struggled to connect with guys making millions of more dollars than them per year, and I think you are seeing it a bit in college.  If you win kids will listen, but if you aren't then kids with designs on being paid millions are not as inclined to listen to you bad-mouth them.  That sense of subservience/loyalty to the name on the front of the jersey isn't always strong enough to make everyone listen.

Brimley

September 5th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^

I like that Bob held kids accountable for important things like best effort academically.  I do NOT like the abuse he heaped on kids during games.  I wouldn't want anyone to scream at my kid for cutting the wrong way on a play and if he laid hands on my son, I'd want to destroy him.

In short, be tough with kids when the issue is important, but the overall goal should always be to teach, not berate and belittle.

Section 1

September 5th, 2011 at 8:55 AM ^

And we had at least one guy leave because of harsh criticism in practices ...

Who was that?  Somebody left the Michigan football program because of harsh crticism in practices?  I've no doubt that in 130+ years of football, there may be a number of examples.  I just can't think of anybody in the last several years.

Sac Fly

September 4th, 2011 at 6:39 PM ^

Is a perfect example of how much has changed since mattison has taken over the defense.  Ive been watching the packers do that LB stunt thingy for the last two years. On this play herron lines up inside, kovacs is outside. Herron runs wide and draws the tackle, kovacs cuts inside for the kill shot. I can not recall one single time in the last 3 years we did anything close to that.

cgnost

September 5th, 2011 at 10:25 AM ^

Take a look at the pre-snap read.  Michigan shows 7 at the line, 4 in coverage.  Carder looks left, but has guessed wrong - two of the 7 to his left have dropped into coverage, while the rush is coming from the right.  Michigan only sends four, but Kovacs gets a free release because of the blitz look.

Compare with the play where Kovacs got the tipped pass.  Same pre-snap look - 7 at the line, and rush 4.  But Carder guesses wrong again - Kovacs drops into the flat to his right this time, and his out read is now covered.

And Martin dropping into coverage.  Awesome.

Section 1

September 5th, 2011 at 10:51 AM ^

Check out this M v. WMU game description from Bleacher Report (sorry for the funky stat-formatting):

Man what a game well in the first half anyway. Here are the final stats for the game between Michigan and Western Michigan. WMU Vs Mich for stats

FIRST DOWNS...................      15       24
  Rushing.....................        2       13
  Passing.....................       11       11
  Penalty.....................        2        0
NET YARDS RUSHING.............       38      242
  Rushing Attempts............       24       50
  Average Per Rush............      1.6      4.8
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        0        1
  Yards Gained Rushing........       70      257
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       32       15
NET YARDS PASSING.............      263      197
  Completions-Attempts-Int....  23-39-2  15-28-1
  Average Per Attempt.........      6.7      7.0
  Average Per Completion......     11.4     13.1
  Passing Touchdowns..........        1        3
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS...........      301      439
  Total offense plays.........       63       78
  Average Gain Per Play.......      4.8      5.6
Fumbles: Number-Lost..........      2-1      1-0
Penalties: Number-Yards.......     3-15     8-72
PUNTS-YARDS...................    6-239    5-236
  Average Yards Per Punt......     39.8     47.2
  Net Yards Per Punt..........     37.2     42.0
  Inside 20...................        2        1
  50+ Yards...................        0        1
  Touchbacks..................        0        1
  Fair catch..................        4        1
KICKOFFS-YARDS................    2-128    6-399
  Average Yards Per Kickoff...     64.0     66.5
  Net Yards Per Kickoff.......     43.5     44.7
  Touchbacks..................        0        1
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD.    2-6-0   2-16-0
  Average Per Return..........      3.0      8.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD  5-111-0   2-41-0
  Average Per Return..........     22.2     20.5
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD..    1-3-0   2-14-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD.    0-0-0    0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards...........        0        0
Possession Time...............    25:40    34:20
  First Quarter.................     7:04     7:56
  Second Quarter.................     6:36     8:24
  Third Quarter.................     8:04     6:56
  Fourth Quarter.................     3:56    11:04
Third-Down Conversions........  5 of 14  6 of 16
Fourth-Down Conversions.......   0 of 1   2 of 3
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......      0-2      1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards........      0-0     2-12
PAT Kicks.....................      1-1      4-4
Field Goals...................      0-1      1-1
  QUICK NOTES:

[Michigan] completed 13-20 for 179 yds and 3 TDs—not bad for his first collegate start. I have to say of all the Qbs he looked the best he was confident, very poised, executed the offense very well and the most important NO TURNOVERS. He showed me he is more than ready to be our starter for the next 3-4 yrs.

Wr Junior Hemingway had 5 rec,103 yds, and 2 TDs...

The defense played VERY well in the first half only allowing 29 yrds. But gave up more than 200 + in the second half but I think the coaches were playing around in the second half. After all we had a 31-0 lead.

So I was, however, concerned in the second half with the lack of execution from the offense. That is a reason to be concerned but i think again the coaches were playing around again. But who knows!

So I hope you all had fun as I very well did and the important thing is the W. So see ya next week and hopefully it will come out another W against ND. 3:30 pm on ABC. 

Date:  September 5, 2009

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/249038-explosive-first-half-leads-michigan-over-western-michigan-31-7 

 

Caesar

September 5th, 2011 at 7:23 AM ^

I love that his right shoulder pad is flapping. I love the desperation that yields a hint of recklessness as he reaches for his quarry. It wasn't a tackle. It was a guy breaking the waves to spell his screaming lungs. Awesome.

gulo gulo

September 5th, 2011 at 10:42 AM ^

The true beauty of this play for me is that Kovacs executes a textbook
<br>form tackle:
<br>
<br>1) Head on the ball side of the body
<br>
<br>2) Shoulder impacts the center of mass
<br>
<br>3) Arms wrap up the ball carrier
<br>
<br>4) Legs drive through the target
<br>
<br>It's so infuriating when a player has a tackle lined up and decides to
<br>"blow this guy up, brah!" thereby leaving their feet to deliver the BIG
<br>HIT. This usually results in missing a moving target, and the lack of a
<br>wrap-up usually results in the target bouncing off the defender's shoulder
<br>pads and continuing on its merry way.
<br>
<br>After the team's poor display of fundamental bloacking and tackling the
<br>last few years, this Kovacs play is a refreshing display of fundamentals.
<br>

KinesiologyNerd

September 4th, 2011 at 4:12 PM ^

I loved Hoke's sideline presensce. My favorite moment was when they showed him explaining technique or whatever to two guys (William Campbell was one). No screaming, no profranity, just calmly TEACHING these kids. I was very impressed after seeing what Kelly was doing. I feel the last shreds of my resistance to the hire dissolving away.

lhglrkwg

September 4th, 2011 at 4:32 PM ^

i know the D isn't what we're hoping for (yet) but ohmygosh the tackling was so much better. There may have been open receivers for western, but when we went in for the tackle, they got tackled. so beautiful to see

docwhoblocked

September 4th, 2011 at 4:48 PM ^

The DB's were soft at first but as the game went on they began to press the Western recievers at the line and we did just fine.  Took away those dinks that led to the first WM touchdown.  Another fav was when Kovacs faked the blitz and fell into coverage and slapped away the pass.  Earlier in the game Carder threw some nice passes into the blitz to get decent yards.  Wonder if that was Kovacs or a coaches call.