Vicious Electronic Questioning: 11W's Michael Citro Comment Count

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The Buckeyes hope former 5-star Vonn Bell (#11), a sophomore, is an upgrade at safety.

While we're busy poring over every morsel of news coming out of Michigan's fall camp, the rest of the country is hard at work as well, and that includes our rivals in Columbus. To get a gauge on where Ohio State stands just a couple weeks away from their opener against Navy, I chatted with Eleven Warriors senior writer Michael Citro, who was kind enough to answer my questions about the Buckeye D-line hype, the team's biggest question marks, injury concerns, and more. (If you'd like to see 11W's season preview of Michigan, to which I made a few contributions, click here.)

First off, I have to ask—what the hell happened to the defense against Michigan?

Wait, what defense? Was defense played in that game?

Ohio State’s D had been leaky and suspect most of the season, and that only got worse after safety Christian Bryant’s injury at the end of the Wisconsin game. The front four (plus Ryan Shazier) was able to mask it for a while. The problems were systemic—bad communication aggravating an already passive zone concept. Against Michigan it was exacerbated by some poor tackling that we saw early in the season making an unwelcome return. If you let Devin Funchess jump over you, you're not form tackling. (You're welcome for me setting you up to run a gif or photo of it here.)


Thanks, Michael!

Along those lines (I assume), what changes do you expect to see on the defense now that Chris Ash is on the staff?

Ash, along with Meyer and Fickell, have instituted a more aggressive system with a philosophy of challenging every throw. You’ll see the cornerbacks pressing more as a result. Also, for no reason known to man, the cornerbacks and safeties met separately under the Everett Withers co-defensive coordinatorship. That has been changed and Kerry Coombs’ corners are meeting with Ash’s safeties and the entire defense is supposedly on the same page now. I’m optimistic, but we’ll see. I'm excited to see more Vonn Bell this year.

Do you think the defensive line will live up to the hype? There's obviously oodles of talent and pass-rushing ability, but they seemed to struggle a little against the run, something the advanced metrics indicate as well.

The defensive line should be very good, especially when Noah Spence returns from his suspension—and the players should stay fresher with the Larry Johnson Sr. plan of rotating more bodies into the game. The group is deep enough to handle a lot more rotating now and the players seem to be buying into the philosophy. Guys like Tyquan Lewis and Rashad Frazier (a Purdue transfer) are demanding playing time with their performances. Ohio State didn't handle broken play runs well in the latter stages of the season. I haven’t checked the metrics, but aside from Michigan State, it didn't seem like opposing tailbacks were that much of an issue. Nimble quarterbacks were much more of a problem and the linebackers were also pretty culpable there.

[Hit THE JUMP to learn about OSU's current injury situation, surprisingly shaky O-line outlook, which players they expect to break out this year, and more.]

Are there any injuries that could affect the team in the fall?

It remains to be seen. Braxton Miller has reported some shoulder soreness early in camp and if that lingers, it could be a major issue. Ezekiel Elliott, the presumed starting tailback, recently had a pin inserted to repair a broken wrist, and, although he says he’ll play against Navy, it’s never good for a running back to be one-handed. Those are the ones causing the most concern right now. Depth has suffered a bit with a season ending ACL injury to freshman linebacker Kyle Berger and freshman defensive end Dylan Thompson broke a kneecap. Both will ride the redshirt train.

Who are the leading candidates to start on the offensive line? Do you expect a concrete lineup or is there a chance we'll see some shuffling in the early going?

Right now the line appears to be (L-R) Taylor Decker, Antonio Underwood, Jacoby Boren, Pat Elflein, and Darryl Baldwin. Meyer has expressed concern with left guard. Underwood, a junior, is getting competition there from Billy Price and Joel Hale—both converted defensive linemen. That sounds bad, but I thought Price played pretty well in the spring game at center. Decker and Elflein are pretty much locked in and Baldwin isn't getting much of a challenge thus far.

Chad Lindsay is pushing Boren at center [ed-Ace: aaaarrgghhh], and Price is also in the mix. I think we’ll see a set line to start the season but there may be adjustments down the line if they don’t perform, and I’m not counting out true freshmen Jamarco Jones or Demetrius Knox. [Co-OC/OL coach] Ed Warinner has worked miracles with his position group before, notably turning tight end Reid Fragel into an NFL-caliber lineman. He did OK playing Decker as a freshman (once we got past Buffalo's Khalil Mack). We’re hoping his magic touch holds.


RB Ezekiel Elliott put up impressive freshman numbers in 2013, though largely against the Florida A&M-types on the schedule [Photo: Kyle Robertson/Columbus Dispatch]

Which skill position players look poised to step into much larger roles in 2014? Is Dontre Wilson enough of a receiver to make a Harvin-like impact?

Wilson is an amazing athlete and the staff seems impressed with his off-season work. He’ll slide into that Philly Brown role, which will primarily mean getting him the ball on the move with short passes, plus some runs and reverses. If defenders play him tight, he’ll run right past them. 

Elliott is the other obvious answer here. He’s a physical runner who is a much bigger home run threat than Carlos Hyde was. He’s not a Sherman tank in shoulder pads like Hyde, but we may not see a post-Hyde drop in production between the tackles if the O-line jells, and that’s saying something. Also look out for newcomer Curtis Samuel. He’s faster than Wilson, the coaches are raving about him, and he’ll get on the field at some point.

Which freshmen are expected to see the field?

In addition to the aforementioned Samuel, I expect to see one of the linemen at some point—Jamarco Jones or Knox are the likely candidates. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Johnnie Dixon on the field at wide receiver and five-star linebacker Raekwon McMillan has been as advertised so far. Meyer was so taken with Dixon and McMillan that he allowed them to practice with the veterans right off the bat—something the other frosh didn’t get to do.

Is the secondary the biggest area for concern again? If so, are there any other position groups that look at all worrisome?

Until we see that Chris Ash (and the players) have fixed the problem, I’d say the secondary is the primary concern. Another area that was just as culpable a year ago was linebacker, although it was masked by Shazier’s insane playmaking ability. Josh Perry, Curtis Grant and Darron Lee are tasked with playing as a unit, rather than individuals this season. And any time you graduate four linemen from one of the nation’s best offensive lines, you have to be concerned about protecting your franchise quarterback. And just because it’s our way, we’re worried about the receivers too.

Thank you to Michael for taking the time to do this Q&A. You can read his work at Eleven Warriors and follow him on Twitter here.

Comments

ijohnb

August 18th, 2014 at 9:37 AM ^

unfortuate but I expect it to start being called a lot more in college this year.  Given that pro-football is only barely hanging on to the label of "watchable if Traning Day or the Shawshank Redemption is not on TNT or something," I do hope that it does not effect the college product as much as it has the NFL.

Leaders And Best

August 18th, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^

Illegal contact rule is unique to the NFL and does not exist in college football. As long as you are in front of the receiver and the ball is not in the air, the defender is allowed to push and make physical contact with the receiver in college.

steve sharik

August 18th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^

If they see something that works, they'll institute it.

Sparty has been having so much success mugging receivers and not getting called (ND the exception), other coaches in the league are going to start using the same tactics.

I personally feel that the illegal contact rule in the NFL is stupid.  This is football and guys are wearing body armor, but it's the only non-kicker or QB situation where you're not allowed to touch a guy...just dumb.  Refs just need to call defensive holding at the LOS more often.

1-on-1 WR vs. DB is won at the LOS more often than not.  If you give even a decent receiver room to maneuver  he's likely to win that battle.  Only elite DBs can cover 1-on-1 in space consistently well.

Leaders And Best

August 18th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

I'm not sure what wearing pads has to do with illegal contact. There is no reason a DB should be mugging a WR 10 yards down the field. I have no problem with any contact that does not impede a WR from running his route, but after 5-10 yards, there is no reason a DB should be pushing/mugging a receiver downfield running a route. I think there is a middle ground, and the NFL is definitely closer to the ideal than the college game on illegal contact.

Illegal contact by DBs is like clutching/grabbing in college basketball. It allows players with inferior skill/talent to muck up the game and keep skilled/athletic players from playing the game.

steve sharik

August 18th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^

Football and Basketball.

Moreover, I can tell you that it definitely takes incredible skill and talent to be in position to be in contact with a receiver more than 5 yards downfield.

Does allowing DLmen to contact OLmen allow those defenders to compensate for lesser skill/talent? No, it's part of the game of football.  That's why the players wear pads.

I could argue that the NFL has become a passing league not only b/c it's harder to run the ball, but also b/c it's easier to pass it, mostly b/c of the illegal contact rule.

B-Nut-GoBlue

August 18th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^

I'm with you.  The fact defenders can't do anything anymore sucks.  I'm on the side that what Sparty did to Notre Dame last year was legit and all of most of the PI calls were bogus.  That sucks to say, becasue if they won that game...OMG.  Anyway, the NFL has become a passing league becasue yes, great quarterback play, but also because defenders are called for penalties way too often yet rarely when an offensive player initiates contact are they called for it.

bronxblue

August 18th, 2014 at 9:22 AM ^

Interesting stuff. Press coverage really does put a premium on communication in your secondary, so it will be interesting to see if OSU's seemingly oblivious safeties can work together. I don't understand the Elliott love one bit of it is based on running part Fla A&M. I'm sure he's good, but last year's UM team would have had a good day running against them, fergodsakes. I suspect Dunn will see playing time by the end off the year. I sense that Buckeyes are more concerned about this season than in past years. Meyer isn't under scrutiny by any stretch, but they ended their season really struggling against 3 teams, and I think the magic may be gone a bit.

Goldmember2

August 18th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^

Whatever happened to that dude?  I've seen him as low as 3rd on their RB depth chart.  I seriously thought he was going to be a beast for Ohio.  Neither he, nor his cousin Dymonte Thomas, seem to have lived up to the rankings yet.  

Real Tackles Wear 77

August 18th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^

I tried to read the 11W preview of us as I think it's generally a good exercise to get some context from an opposing POV, but as soon as I saw him try to say that Urban is a strict disciplinarian (when referring to Glasgow and how his suspension would've been worse had he played at Ohio), I could go no further. Truly delusional down in Ohio, per usual...

11W_Michael

August 18th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^

...not mine. Few people were more critical of Meyer's handling of discipline in Gainesville (which is not far from where I live) than I was. And yes, that bothered me about his hiring in the wake of Tatgate (as tame and quaint as that even seems now after UCF, Miami, UNC and now, Notre Dame). But to say his handling of players hasn't changed since he was at Florida is to willfully ignore recent history.

Carlos Hyde missed a quarter of his senior season (and a potential Heisman) and Bradley Roby missed a game without either being charged for a crime. Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort were kicked off the team for months - and had to earn their way back on - for the horrible crime of urinating outdoors. I don't think it's delusional to say things have gotten a bit more strict in recent years. But maybe that's because I'm delusional. :)

11W_Michael

August 18th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^

Well, if Miller goes down there's no Kenny Guiton security blanket looming. Those behind him are inexperienced. The talented J.T. Barrett has recently moved slightly ahead of Cardale Jones according to Meyer. 

Barrett is the heir apparent and is a more polished passer than Jones. Cardale is essentially a baby rhinocerous in shoulder pads. They are quite different. Barrett is probably a better fit for what Meyer wants to do. 

But if either plays meaningful minutes this season it will not be optimal for the Buckeyes.

GoWings2008

August 18th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^

and a follow on question:  With the fact that backups are not as qualified as KG was last year, do you think that'll effect Miller's decision to tuck and run more often, where he has a tendency to really do some damage on opposing defenses?  If he's going to do the smart thing and slide or keep from getting hit, do you think that'll take a portion of his "good game" out of his hands a bit?

Zone Left

August 18th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

I think they're generally terrified. Cardale Jones is the current backup, with the much more highly touted JT Barrett behind him. Barrett is a true freshman and I've heard he's pushing Jones. 

Basically, they've got our situation last year. A clear, obvious #1 with a vast, terrifying gulf behind him.

Everyone Murders

August 18th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^

Don't make coherent arguments backed up with facts, and make me upvote you.  I doubt we'd ever get to "yes" on Urban Meyer (I find him unctious at best), but folks around here do tend to slightly overstate Meyer's transgressions at OSU based on his eye-opening gaffes in Gainesville.

Also, thanks for your contributions to this article.

#urbanmeyerisstillaweaseljustincrementallylessofaweasel

Real Tackles Wear 77

August 18th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^

Thank you for coming here into enemy territory, Michael. Honestly, I read 11W from time to time and I feel that most writers on your site (a notable exception being DJ Byrnes) are actually quite good, though I obviously disagree with most of their opinions. Urban's discipline now vs. his time at Florida has seemed to shift a little bit but he has also developed a fair reputation as being quite lax when it is convenient (i.e. when the player(s) in question are not starters or suspending star players for games against cupcakes). For a program like Ohio, where a failure to rein in some rogue stars caused the downfall of the previous coach, you'd think the current staff would be a little more careful.

11W_Michael

August 18th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^

I'm not sure how much of it is Meyer changing (some, I think) and how much of it is pressure from above to avoid scandal wherever possible (there is probably quite a bit). Ohio State was thoroughly embarrassed by the Tatgate fallout and those ramifications are being felt as we enter four years after the fact.

 

Also, if I earn enough MGoBlog points, can I redeem them for a beer mug? I'm not sure how this works.

dragonchild

August 18th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

Who the hell is calling the shots?  My guess is that the leashes are short in Columbus because the school was already under scrutiny due to Tatgate (which mind you ranks about a 1.5/10 on my outrage-o-meter but whatever).  He probably had his doubters among the higher ups & alumni and this is his way of making them happy, even though he walked into a dysfunctional mess he had nothing to do with.  I don't trust the guy, but he is very smart and good at his job, including the political side of it (RichRod, you might want to pay attention here).  You really don't want to see more arrests when a school is under a bowl ban.  I don't think he could've possibly handled his transition better.

Thing is, if I'm right you'll have to stay vigilant, since what I'm saying here -- based on my assessment of how he ran Gainesville, the situation at OSU he walked into and how well he navigated the minefield -- is that he's running a tight ship for PR purposes and could regress as soon as the prying eyes set their sights elsewhere.  I don't see much evidence he's doing this out of some newfound sense of integrity, just what's imposed on him and he's smart enough to exceed expectations.

BlueCube

August 18th, 2014 at 12:08 PM ^

I'm sure the OSU administration was worried about reputation and I would assume many parents would be somewhat concerned  about their kids going into that type of situation. It doesn't surprise me that they would try to change the perception. I'd hesitate to call out other schools based on a few instances of being strict because you got caught with your pants down. (pun intended due to urinary issued mentioned.)

DJMich23

August 18th, 2014 at 9:39 AM ^

I expect them to take a small step backward this year. They seem to be understating the loss of Hyde and the O-Line. I do however expect their defense to be better. I think they drop two games during the regular season. One of those will be to Michigan, the other will most likely be to MSU.

I'm actually confident Michigan will win the game in Columbus. It's gonna be Brady's signature win of the season regardless of the record. Despite OSU's talent advantage and supposed coaching advantage, they have yet to beat Michigan soundly. This year, Michigan wins and we most definitely get the win next year at home with a loaded UM team.

Zone Left

August 18th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ^

Expecting a win in Columbus is very optimistic, but I do see OSU taking a step backwards. You can't lose the line they did and Carlos Hyde without a dropoff. Even last year, they weren't the same when Hyde was taking a breather. 

That said, I still think they're the favorite to win the conference, with MSU second and Michigan third. The other division doesn't inspire much confidence.

Needs

August 18th, 2014 at 10:18 AM ^

Still waiting for the first defensive coach in history to promise to adopt a more conservative, passive approach.

 

"This year, we're going in with a philosophy where we're willing to bend as long as we don't break."

alum96

August 18th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^

In the Michigan preview they say we have an "easy schedule" with no tough crossovers meanwhile they neglect to mention they too avoid all 3 of the West tough teams (although I think Wisconsin will take a step back this year) and they get UM at home.  The only "tough" game they have is @MSU.  A struggling @PSU they they beat by 800 pts last year is their 2nd toughest game and a struggling UM at home is probably their 3rd toughest game this year.  Not exactly a murderer's row.

Interesting to see that the Alabama transfer has not won a job at center.  They had a fantastic OL, one of the top 3 in the country last year, and they are talking about underclassmen playing this year so it will be a change.  If Braxton goes down - which he seems to do for a while each year - they don't have the luxury they had last year.   They are relying on some very high ceiling but young WRs this year - no one established.  Same for RBs.

I am not as high as some of you guys on their back 7.  Their best player last year was Shazier. He is gone.  The returning LBs don't have much of a resume.  Their best DB was Roby.  He is gone although he seemed overrated to me.  They have a bunch of young guys like our DBs - no guarantees just like we don't have with whoever is the new S, Peppers, Lewis.  They could be good back there just like we could but right now its untapped potential and HS stars.

It's a young team outside of the QB and DL.  Young teams are prone to errors and faltering on the road.  PSU is no great shakes but should be motivated beyond belief after last year's devastation v OSU and might be a place to be upset, as could @Minnesota or @Maryland.  If they had a "tough" schedule I could see 4 losses from this type of team and I think MSU squashes them as MSU has the type of lines to offset OSU and will be amped up for that game at night in EL.  (I have MSU winning the East)  I'd also be calling for UM to beat them in Columbus if I had any faith in our OL.

11W_Michael

August 18th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

Since it was a Michigan preview it would have been pretty off-topic to break down Ohio State's schedule.

Honest opinion: I'm terrified of Navy (based on a previous near-death experience - thank you based Brian Rolle!) and Virginia Tech and mildly nervous about Cincinnati's offense, in addition to Sparty and what may be a rejuvenated PSU team - both road night games. And that trip to Minnesota a week after an emotional slobberknocker at MSU may not be fun.

Then again, having grown up watching Earle Bruce's 9-3 teams and John Cooper's underachievers, I scare easily.

GunnersApe

August 18th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^

 

This is supposed to be one of their better teams. I think if OSU had them the second week and not the first it would be very scary but since they've had all fall to prepare for the Option. I guess with what the post Tressel OSU D I would be sweating anyone till proven otherwise.  

 

 

This is supposed to be one of their better teams. I think if OSU had them the second week and not the first it would be very scary but since they've had all fall to prepare for the Option. I guess with what the post Tressel OSU D I would be sweating anyone till proven otherwise.  

Lucky Socks

August 18th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

The 11W guy trumpets OSU's discipline. Lol. Glasgow probably would have been dismissed because he's not good enough to join the circle of trust, thus maintaining an average discipline that doesn't raise too many eyebrows. I hate OSU

Mpfnfu Ford

August 18th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^

The NFL and college football have tried to legislate the big BOOM SHOT hits on QBs and Wideouts, and that's good because safety is nice. But they've done nothing rule wise to give defenses some other way to prevent quarterbacks for throwing for 600 yards. It seems the trend in college is to be very lax with defensive holding, while the NFL is going the other way and trying to make football into Arena.

Just let them grab and fight all the way down til the ball's in the air. Give a defensive back a chance to be great. I don't want all football games being 63-56

markusr2007

August 18th, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^

Navy has not lost there in a while (2012 vs. San Jose State that went 11-2).  Will Ohio be overlooking this game with the pending home opener vs VaTech?

Navy went 9-4 last year and should have it's best team in years for 2014. A ton of players are returning, including QB Keenan Reynolds who is the kind of guy Urban Meyer would probably want at QB (31 TDs last year, Jesus Christ!).  Reynolds is a Heisman Trophy candidate, he's that good.  They are saying he's absolutely the best Navy QB since Roger Staubach.

Also, Navy's OL returns completely intact for 2014.

The defense will probably still be comparatively bad, but Navy should be an 11-1 team this year, and will be a nice early test for Ohio's supposed strength point: DL

Navy 35, Ohio 38