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Submitted by Brian on September 19th, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Wish me luck. I am going to be out of pocket this weekend: I'm going to the LSU-Auburn game with some friends. Fortunately I'm going to be in the part of the state that doesn't want to string me up, so I should be okay. I don't think it will disturb posting schedules too much but today and Monday might be a little light.

Obviously, there has not been a UFR as promised. I'm through most of the game and it will be up Monday/Tuesday next week.

Oh. My. God. I have veins in my head labeled "rupture in case of clock management malfeasance" that I have to get replaced on a weekly basis every fall, but holy God I have never seen anything quite as inept as "Coach Stew" screwing around with the clock last night.

So Colorado and West Virginia are tied 14-14 and West Virginia is putting together a potential gamewinning drive. They're on the 50 with 1:10 left and two timeouts. (4th Q PBP.)On first down they hit Devine for four yards and let the clock run. This would be fine if you could get to the line with a play ready to go; instead WVU burns 25-30 seconds screwing around. After getting stuffed for the fifth or sixth time on short yardage, they run the clock down to four seconds and try a Hail Mary. Erin Andrews then describes the scene on the sideline as "chaos… carnage… limbs everywhere, disorganization… blood".

  1. How do you burn 30 seconds like that in your two-minute drill?
  2. How do you not have the ability to pick up a QB sneak or even a short yardage play four or five times in a game?
  3. How do you see yourself stuffed four or five times on runs up the gut on third and short and not, I dunno, try anything else?

And oh my god the sideline interviews. You just know, don't you? You, the college football viewer, have seen dozens and dozens of successful college football coaches and not one of them is like Bill Stewart in any way whatsoever.

Prediction: in two or three years there will be a post on this blog attempting to decide what was the most obviously terrible hire in college football history: Bobby Williams or Bill Stewart? (I guess you can throw Gerry Faust in there, too.)

Again with the high school football. Jeremy Gallon and Apopka take on Mississippi powerhouse South Panola tonight on ESPNU at 8. I don't get ESPNU and will probably be in Alabama by then, anyway, but if anyone's got it and can compile a set of Gallon clips that would be excellent.

Oh, snap. I guess you can do this when you're USC and you've just bombed Ohio State 35-3, but man these guys are carpet bombing the Buckeyes with incendiary quotes:

“Easy” was one word defensive end Kyle Moore used after missing practice two days last week with back spasms before having the game of his life (eight tackles, a fumble recovery, two tackles for loss for 19 yards, including a sack for 15).

“You can tell they don’t practice full speed,” Moore said of the massive Buckeyes who made it “easy” to fly past them.

“They were still getting into their (first blocking) move, and we’d already be into our second move (on defense) and past them,” Moore said.

Conference solidarity only applies when you're not trying to scratch out a Motor City Bowl bid, so: ha-ha.

Argh why would you call a backwards pass? The header to the left was a common complaint in the aftermath of the first disastrous fumble of many disastrous fumbles. This complaint is answered simply: no one called a backwards pass.

Rodriguez clarified that in the weekly Big Ten teleconference thingy:

We want to throw it in front of the receiver, and when you do that it's obviously a forward pass, not a lateral.

That's mostly on Threet then, not Minor.

Who's on what then? I'll have my piece on this in UFR, but Varsity Blue takes a look at the long Tate touchdown, concluding thusly:

The blame for this touchdown does not fall on Stevie Brown. Repeat: Stevie Brown is not culpable. He wasn't exactly stellar the rest of the day, but don't rag on the kid for this touchdown. Our good friend GSimmons (a high school DC who runs Shafer's 3-4 Okie package as his base defense and also knows much more about football than I ever will) lets us know that it appears Michigan is running a read-2 defense, which is a form of cover-2-like-substance. Morgan Trent sees Tate head inside, leading him to believe that Tate will not be a deep vertical threat. Because of this error in judgment, Trent does not cover a deep half, which allows Tate to get behind the defenders.

A commenter protests that gsimmons' meaning is not clear and the man himself descends to clarify:

I don't see Stevie Brown being responsible for a deep zone, if its man, he has back out of the backfield, if its three roll, he has flats, if its 2 read, he has underneath responsibility, one thing for sure, its not a deep quarter zone, you can tell by his alignment, and his eyes.

While I'm not going to dispute gsimmons' assertions about the coverages, I do think that there is a possibility Brown's alignment and eyes were screwed up because he was running the wrong coverage.

Comments

roded

September 19th, 2008 at 12:47 PM ^

Some of you moles need to dig into the program and get a definitive answer on that damn Tate TD. I was going back and forth with gsimmons during the game about the play, but I just gave up. "He's smarter than you, so shut up." But Brian has given me hope that my eyes may not have decived me. Brown's body language, Trent's outside leverage, and Harrison being completely out of the play leads me back to an error by S Brown. I really hope it wasn't his fault, I want to see him get over his poor play. Somebody figure this out, it just keeps bugging me.

The Original C

September 19th, 2008 at 2:36 PM ^

What is warren's role in this coverage? Is he playing man, cause he is at the LOS (like your kids did in the option dive pass), then that would mean we ran man to strong side and zone on weak side, with the only WR lined up on weakside (wideside??). Or if he is  playing zone, shouldn't he have bailed (or you don;t ask the kids to that if there is no visible threat)?

 Either way Harrison seems to be real late in rolling to the middle (your kid got in there in a hurry) he started drifting but was caught peering into the backfield. What is the read for the deep safety? i would assume its not "take a look at the action in the backfield" and more like "get your ass back there as soon as you can"!!!  Seems like the rotating safety always is a little slow (at least in the ones we get to see because of a screw up) The clip at Varsity Blue shows this in excruciating detail) 

 Thanks Gsimm, i know "beating a dead horse" and all but come on ..one man bomb against the Domes and Jimmah....seriously!!!

gsimmons85

September 19th, 2008 at 2:49 PM ^

be a combo coverage situation,  man to one side, zone to the other...but doenst seem like it to me..  but about warren if it is cover three, and there is no threat, he wont bail out....   i think Harrison, if its cover three, either didnt recognize the one reciver formation, or didnt think  he had to roll that hard, he is def, looking in that back field, and does not see it as a pass,  of course, it is a great power ot play fake by the los and the backs,  safeties are tauhgt to read their triangle,  that is,  inside reciver, to last man on los, to backfield, to get their pass run reads...   

and my kids press every play,  whether we are playign man or zone...  we work bail techniques formt he press,  shadow technique, bump technique,  everything formt he same position, basicily.

a one man route is sometimes the hardest to defend,  because there may be only one person on the field reading pass

gsimmons85

September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 PM ^

....but im not.   RR  in the presser talking about "some of the mistakes that looked like browns but werent" is an example of what i mean when i say...   The safety is usually the goat on a deep pass, becasue A) he is deep therefore he must be covering deep B) he is the one chassing the reciever into the endzone...

I would love to play 1 football game where i can tell what the coverage is, by simply looking at where they are aligned...  in this world, even in my world,  every coverage i run looks like cover 2,  shafer every coverage he runs looks like cover 2... but when you are having trouble stopping the ot play,  your safety becomes the most important run support player.     I wouldnt have just said "oh man , i like brown, and i think that step forward meant he didnt have deep covearge", if i didnt have at least a working knowledge of how a 2 read scheme like shafers works.  I have several clips on my wewbsite of 17 year old kids running 2 read and 3 roll coverages...  like i said i could be wrong,  but i think if i was, you would have heard RR talk about busted assignments byt the safeties, not by everyone...  

sometimes the easiest explenation is the best,   I said during the first game   "lb' coverage not holding the verticals is killing us, not the safeties"  and what does Shafer and RR talk about,  lb coverage....  Brown is not having the best year,  but its not the worst.. the mistakes he makes, like all safites turn into touchdowns...  and when you dotn tackle and take proper angles, and jump routes while playing a pressure defense,  mistakes like that turn into touchdowns (again something i said when shafer was hired)  when we break down film of our own game, if i dont have my call sheet in front of me, sometimes i dont even know what we are running and who to point out if they are doing something wrong,  so i know its impossible to do that even for me, without knowing exactly what the call was, or what his coaching point was to be...

no problem with people disaagreeing with me...im in your world 

 

gsimmons85

September 19th, 2008 at 1:31 PM ^

becasue defensive football is SUPPOSE to be confusing....   and without knowing, you will never know for sure....  offense is a little more predictable

We literally spend 10's of hours a weekend, breaking down an opponents tendecies to create our defensive game plan.  Mean while an offense doesnt spend near as much time, becasue figuring out what a good defense is really trying to do to you is a lost cause... 

 

goody

September 19th, 2008 at 1:36 PM ^

Trent's or Harrison's fault on that TD catch.  Brown gets no bad mouthing on this play.  It just as simple as Tate ran by Trent and Harrison was not deep enough to contest the catch.  Why Harrison was late..... being Tate was the only reciever going out for a pass is still a mystery.  Bit on the PA?  Did not recognize quick enough that Tate was running free up the middle?  We will probably never get a definite answer.

gsimmons85

September 19th, 2008 at 3:44 PM ^

was covering the other half of the field,

could have had a middle third as well,  im not convinced that its not a type of cover three scheme... but you could very well be right,  a quarter quarter half type situation...

 

colin

September 19th, 2008 at 4:43 PM ^

If there had been more routes they would have rolled toward the flood rather than bracketing Trent?

Also: I just watched again and I'm pretty sure Trent bit badly on the slant, which is really annoying for one, but, two, it also suggests he's playing over the top and Brown has the underneath, where the slant would be thrown over Stevie and under Trent.  The biggest problem is the slip though.  If he keeps his footing he might be able to recover to at least make a tackle or a play on the ball.

gsimmons85

September 20th, 2008 at 1:51 AM ^

was a 2 read,   safety robbing under 1....   im just saying it could have been a rolling to the 1 reciever side for cover three.   when you roll coverage you dont roll to routes you roll to blitz or formation... for example a three roll strong or a three roll wide... harrison could be late rolling to the middle third, and trent is suppose to have his thrid, and brown is rolling to the flats.  still i think the 4 match concpet is more what it looks like to me...

The Original C

September 20th, 2008 at 4:56 AM ^

Trent Harrison and Warren could have been the ones on 3 deep, and since there was no immediate threat for Warren he hung out near LOS (GSimm agrees as well) Or it could have been cover two or 2 read (cover 4 right??) with Trent and Harrison up top and Warren and Brown playing teh flats or robbing the short routes. And by the "slip" i believe you are referring to one when Trent looks like he might have slipped (noticed it only after your comment) once he begins to go vertical chasing after Tate, right??

Harrison can be blamed only if it were 2 read/3roll as he was late rolling to his third (which was more to his right, in between the hashes) If it were cover 2 he was in his half and expecting him to cover up for Trent's screw up is kinda harsh!! My 2 cents.

gsimmons85

September 19th, 2008 at 1:44 PM ^

The second play under "friday night defense"   the play dive option pass,  the defense called is a base angle short  green roll....  no blitz no stunts....

on the film you see our free safety comming donw hill, he is the roll player, the pass gets thrown to a reciever running by him, he gets a piece of him (good job)  and the strong safety rolling to a deep third almost gets the int...   if that pass is completed, who gets the blame?  if the strong safety forgets to roll over, its a touchdown, and everyone is saying that the free safety bit on the dive...   but on the sideline id be knocking the head off of the strong safety for not rolling and snapping his eyes to opposite 2...     

http://gsimmons85.blogspot.com/2008/09/friday-night-defense.html

it could just possible be that notre dame ran a good play

colin

September 19th, 2008 at 3:01 PM ^

i think their decision to run max protect and go deep gave them a chance to test our secondary without the whole Yakety Sax thing presenting a problem.  It was good scheming.  I think ND schemes pretty well, actually.  It's just that their technique and recognition is pretty meh.

caup

September 19th, 2008 at 1:49 PM ^

then he would've most certainly been benched (for Stewart). He wasn't benched. It wasn't Brown's fault.
In the presser RR talked about Stewart playing more and this is because he is a way better TACKLER than Brown.
The down-side is that Stewart sucks just as bad on pass coverage.

colin

September 19th, 2008 at 2:56 PM ^

It's on Trent.  Brown has the inside coverage, Trent has the top and he gets caught looking in the backfield, slips a bit and didn't recognize Tate's route in the first place.