Unverified Voracity Is Pretty Disgusted With Minnesota

Submitted by Brian on January 8th, 2018 at 12:23 PM

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Smearing the Pitinos' good name. Minnesota suddenly suspended center Reggie Lynch a few days ago because he was ruled "responsible" for a sexual assault by Minnesota's Title IX office. He is banned from Minnesota's campus until 2020, pending a potential appeal.

The best-case scenario here is that Minnesota pulled a Brendan Gibbons: they played a guy who they had to know was very likely to be booted off campus, telling no one and hoping that they could sweep it under the rug. That does not appear to be the case:

There are a lot of extremely pissed off locals on Twitter talking about how Lynch's behavior was widely known and nothing was done about it. Honold did have that meeting:

Honold said Friday that she told Coyle months ago that she knew of “multiple other victims” of sexual misconduct involving Lynch.

“This is a pattern,” she told Coyle and urged him to investigate further.

“But it did not really fall on open ears,” Honold said. “The only person who really responded told me, ‘Well, this sounds awfully personal, how would you even know all of this?’ And, ‘This is irrelevant because they didn’t report to police.’

Minnesota's athletic director pleads incomprehensible corporate nothing-speak:

That is a bald-faced lie in an attempt to cover his own ass and dude should get fired like Minnesota's previous sexual assault idiot AD. And their former associate athletic director. Or a gymnastics coach. Burn the whole department to the ground.

This sounds educated, so that's good. The Daily transcribed a bit of new S&C guy Ben Herbert's philosophy:

“From a weight room development standpoint, the most important thing right out of the gate for our young guys when they come in is developing their lower body and developing their back,” Herbert said. “A lot of guys spend a lot of time (bench) pressing in high school. They don’t spend a lot of time pulling and they don’t spend a lot of time training their lower body. That’s where we see our biggest gains.

“Teach guys how to eat well, teach them how to hydrate properly, teach them how to train the right way, focusing on lower body and back development, and we set them up for a great result.”

One of Herbert’s biggest success stories at Arkansas, former tight end Hunter Henry, tweeted out support of the hiring on Dec. 30.

“One of the best hires in the country!” Henry, a second-round NFL Draft pick, wrote. “This guy is legit. Might have to make a trip up to Ann Arbor now.”

I'm looking forward to the inevitable war between Herbertites and Anti-Herbertites that erupts the first time anyone has a ligament injury.

I did not know this. Apparently when Kirby Smart was hired at Georgia the first guy he wanted to call was Dan Enos, but Jeff Long had created a contract that prevented him from making a move:

“Kirby called me early (Monday), asked me for permission to talk to Dan," Arkansas head coach Bret Bielema revealed. " (I) just basically said … ‘I understand if you’ve got to talk to Dan if that’s something you want to do, but he’s got a non-compete clause in the SEC. So that kind of null and voids those things from really becoming real within our conference.”

It's tough to judge Enos's ability in a vacuum since he's going up against Alabama with a shooter and only one bean, but he appears to be well-respected in the SEC.

TV Teddy has a sad. Embarrassing toolbox Ted Valentine may have finally gone too far with his on-court antics after this flatly disrespectful action in the aftermath of a call he obviously missed:

Valentine was yanked from a couple of Big Ten games this weekend, including OSU's surprising mud-stomping of MSU, and now THREATENS TO RETIRE as a result.

"I'm thinking about retiring," Valentine told The Athletic's Seth Davis. "I've had enough of people blowing up stuff. I think I've had a stellar career, and I think it's time to get ready to walk away."

At least he thinks he's making a threat. The rest of the world sick of his histrionics looks at that as a promise. Valentine might not be the worst ref in the world, but he is the most annoying. It's long past time for that dude to hit the bricks. Hopefully his Big Ten ban is permanent. Something ain't right with that man.

So much for that defensive logjam. Michigan Hockey Winter strikes twice, with 2019 D Mike Vukojevic defecting to the OHL in the middle of a USHL season—bizarre—and 2018 D Mattias Samuelsson apparently decommitting so he can join his brother at... Western Michigan?

FWIW, Lukas Samuelsson was a Michigan commit but is now a WMU freshman... with zero games played. He's got to be a walk-on. Tremendous, tremendous screw-up on Michigan's part to let Lukas walk for another program where he wasn't going to play. Since Samuelsson dropped off Michigan's commit list more than a year prior to his enrollment at WMU this is more of a Red thing than a Mel thing.

Michigan does still have a top-ten-ish pick coming in in Bode Wilde, so it's not a crisis or anything. But the mega-D does not appear to be happening.

David DeJulius gets after it. He took on Clarkston, which features MSU-bound PG Foster Loyer, and went to work:

Very much a Walton vibe there. He's comfortable pulling up from three and the midrange and attacks downhill like Walton did early in his career. Dunno how well that aspect of his game will translate to college—Zavier Simpson was a huge scorer in HS and that went away—but the shooting and all-around dawg-ness should stick.

Etc.: Vital stuff. Equanimeous St Brown leaves ND, enters draft, avoids getting worked by Lavert Hill and David Long next year. Ditto ND RB Josh Adams. Greg Roman staying in NFL. Season summary of Wolverines in the NFL. Isaiah Livers is comin'.

Comments

Elmer

January 8th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

Loyer is one of the most skilled players I've ever watched at the high school level, but I have a hard time seeing him be successful at the next level. He didn't even guard DeJulius in this game and the one I saw last year, a non- D1 recruit was taking him to the rim at will.  He's a defensive liability at the high school level.

Offensively he will be better, but I don't think his game is a great fit for Izzo.

 

 

 

 

901 P

January 8th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^

Quick google search says yep. I'm no basketball expert, but his defense in this video looks . . . lackadaisical. He gives up the open three from the baseline, doesn't get through a pick, and gets a blocking foul under the basket. But the best is his attempt to sell the offensive foul at about :51. Ref wasn't having it. 

His Dudeness

January 8th, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^

How hard is it to have common decency?

If I'm a coach and any player is hit with a sexual assault investigation:

A) Player is suspended until investigation concludes.

B) If player is found guilty, he is booted.

Is that difficult? How hard is that?

Also don't recruit a player if he has these types of red flags!! Let him go to D-2 or something. There are consequences in this world. The earlier kids learn that the better. The earlier they DON'T learn that the, worse off we all are.

This is a disgusting trend on college campuses. You can't look the other way with this shit.

True Blue Grit

January 8th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^

Unfortunately, this seems to be a pattern at Minnesota in both the football and basketball programs.  Hiring Pitino was perfectly consistent with their "look the other way/do nothing" philosophy.  The so-called leadership in that athletic program is a disgrace and the people who run the University of Minnesota need to clean house there to purge the tolerance of sexual assault that appears to be the norm.  

Michigan Arrogance

January 8th, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

Minnesota - you've made the list*:

PSU- Sandusky-gate & subsequent handing of -working thier way off slowly at this point

MSU- Nassar-gate & subsequent handing of  

Minn - this thing among other things.

UNC- shit classes - working their way off perhaps since the accreditng body didn't do jack AFAIK

OSU - being who they are and how they act. good news, you're probably ahead of Minn and MSU at this point?

 

* list of schools I won't be giving tuition money to 

His Dudeness

January 8th, 2018 at 1:33 PM ^

I am too.

The more I learn about this stuff though the more I understand that you can easily avoid being involved in these types of things.

Do some kids get wrongfully accused? Sure. It's pretty rare though. And had they not been at that party or in that dorm room they wouldn't even be investigated so... Usually if you're being investigated for something you weren't just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Usually you made a poor choice or are a horrible monster. Both should come with consequences in my opinion.

remdog

January 8th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption which can't be supported by any evidence.

And "you can easily avoid being involved in these types of things" is another ridiculous assumption.

I suggest you read up on all the major controversies regarding sexual assault on campus and all the false accusation scandals, title IX kangaroo courts, etc.  You can start with Duke Lacrosse, the UVA gang rape hoax, the "mattress girl" controversy, etc.

 

It's a serious issue with two sides, both deserving "common decency,"  dude.

 

 

 

 

 

His Dudeness

January 9th, 2018 at 9:14 AM ^

My fiancee is a Title IX prosecuting attorney.

I don't claim to be an expert, but she is. I glean what I know from her.

Like I said, it does happen. Like I also said it is rare to be wrongfully accused.

For these things to go public, it takes a bit of actual investigation.

If you remember our own Jabrill Peppers has some sort of situation happen while at UofM and it never went national. It worked itself out because it was bullshit.

I'm not talking about being wrongfully accused on Twitter. I'm talking about being wrongfully accused in court. To be wrongfully accused for these types of things in court would be rare. Sometimes it comes down to he said she said, but even then it's been investigated. It's not just she said and you're going to trial. It takes a poor choice to end up in court.

ypsituckyboy

January 8th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

Are you serious? It doesn't harm the player? If you're accused of sexual assault and suspended and it's covered by the media, your reputation (and internet search results) are basically ruined for the rest of your life.

The Minnesota situation is awful, but let's not act like it's an easy to call to decide whether to suspend someone before or after an investigation. That's where you need to rely on the judgment of officials to decide how credible something is.

Let's say Lynch had been innocent but was suspended right when the accusation was made. Is that fair to him? I don't think so.

CalifExile

January 8th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

Exactly right. It could also hurt an innocent player's professional prospects if he needs to impress scouts in his final year.

There is an important legal issue here, as well. Minnesota is a state school and is therefore required to give students due process when taking punitive action. Automatically suspending a player because there is a complaint made without any investigation would be a violation of the player's civil rights.

CalifExile

January 8th, 2018 at 4:09 PM ^

I was responding to His Dudeness' statement that an accused player should automatically and immediately be suspended. That would be a violation of constitutional (and, therefore, also civil) rights if done by a public school. I am not in any way defending or excusing Minnesota's actions.

His Dudeness

January 9th, 2018 at 9:56 AM ^

I'm talking about being formally accused. Not being called out by someone on Twitter. If you are being formally accused of a crime by the school and/or police you should be suspended guilty or not.

Like I said, to be formally accused of a sexual assault is many steps down the path from being yelled at on social media. Two completely different things.

CalifExile

January 9th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^

A formal accusation occurs when someone files a report with authorities. It may be completely fabricated. Sometimes people are charged with a crime of filing a false report, but not always. If you're saying suspension should occur after authorities charge an individual with an offense that is quite different since an individual would be charged only after an investigation found probable cause to proceed.

gbdub

January 8th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^

Eh, I think A) might go too far depending on the circumstances. We know how insane fans can be, I don't know if we want to set up an incentive structure where all it takes to get a star player benched for a big game is an anonymous accusation to the Title IX office a week before. Nor do we want pressure to rush the investigation because the accused is actively being punished. Sexual assault is a big deal and should be handled with seriousness and care - getting someone benched immediately is less important than getting the call right. Trial first, then sentence.

I'm okay with treating these on a case by case basis - obviously something with multiple accusers and witnesses, or where the player admits to some level of wrongdoing, or has a history... in those cases an immediate suspension may indeed be warranted. But a one size fits all policy of "Oh, you got accused? Benched for the season!" I don't know when "Common Decency" and "Due Process" became enemies, but I don't really like it.

That said, this is a fine line, and you ought to at least try to not look like you're covering up / callous / etc.

B), I'm totally on board with.

Flying Dutchman

January 8th, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^

David DeJulius...nice. That is a great frame. Doesn’t look like he will get any bigger, but Walton is a very good comp. I hope this guy is a worker, because his “dawg” rating looks off the chart, in a good way. Like Trey Burke level dawgness.

BJNavarre

January 8th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

By my count, DeJulius scored about 1 billion points in that game. If Wagner and Matthews both come back - and neither look like 1st rounders yet - they could be preseason top 10.

A2toGVSU

January 8th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^

With the 5 man recruiting class coming in next season and only 3 graduating seniors, Beilein is kind of banking on one of those guys going pro, plus a depth chart/playing time type transfer. Maybe a guy like Ibi Watson or Austin Davis seeks a situation where he can find a few more minutes. I really don't want to see this program forced to pull a scholarship from a committed player.

Of course, if this team blows up, makes another deep tourney run, and Matthers/Wagner both declare, there is no concern with numbers anymore. But there has to be two guys leaving with remaining eligibility to get all the freshmen in.

Trader Jack

January 8th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^

Nope. They have one free scholorship that was banked this year, so they currently have room for 4 of the 5 commitments in the 2018 class. They only need one player to either go pro or transfer to open up enough room for the entire class.

Fezzik

January 8th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

"It was just something that happened in the battle of the game. It's not really worth talking about," Valentine told The Athletic. "Everybody reacted to what Jay Bilas wrote on Twitter. He made a comment about something and he didn't see the whole thing. This is the world we live in. Everybody wants to make you guilty before you're innocent."

This kills me. I hate when people play victim but choose not to explain their side of the story. If a comment was made from someone who "didn't see the whole thing" then maybe...I don't know, explain the whole thing! What a dipshit.

sarto1g

January 8th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^

This Teddy line also applies to the Lynch thing.  What kind of reasoning is this?  If you screw up and lose your job, playing time, etc, that is NOT "guilty before innocent."  You don't get a free pass to do whatever you want just because there is some angle you can play defending yourself to make your case.  If you want to go to court, then sure, you are innocent until proven guilty. Until then, society is free to strip you of all the privileges that you enjoy