Unverified Voracity Commemorates Brady Hoke Comment Count

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last year we made Spencer get a Brady Hoke tattoo

I feel superfluous. EDSBS's annual charity drive is going on and this is the moment in time when I point the money cannon…

…who pointed the money cannon already? I was all set to point the thing, maybe give it a burnish, polish sort of thing, calibrate it, stencil a shirtless Harbaugh on it, you know, prep it. I see someone has already done all of that. Well… fine. I'm going to point it anyway: you can give here to further increase Michigan's dominance in this event. Meanwhile at the bottom:

Trump University $10.02
Michigan State     $10.00

Didn't even commemorate the… bad thing. Donate now. Continue donating. No mercy.

No nevermind no. We've been mentioning it obliquely more or less since Harbaugh was hired, and now seems like the time to just say it since they've once again caused a panic about a potential transfer: The Wolverine is utterly unreliable at this point. Their most recent "Inside The Fort" asserted that an unnamed quarterback easily deduced to be Brandon Peters was homesick and a transfer candidate. This contradicts both information that 247's Isaiah Hole got from Peters's dad at the spring game, and this morning on WTKA Sam Webb shot that down emphatically:

This is more or less our agreed-upon breaking point as a staff. They're putting out supposedly insider stuff that is balderdash way too frequently. Earlier this spring Rivals asserted that Michigan was going to straight-up cut returning starter and fifth year senior Kyle Kalis, which was and remains ludicrous for a dozen reasons. They claimed that Ian Bunting was doing terribly in practice and was headed towards being a bust; they backtracked on that immediately since various coaching staff members started effusing about him. That in fact directly contradicted what we were hearing from other reporters, who were talking to Michigan coaches.

Tim and Brandon are of course MGoBlog alums and do yeoman work holding things together over there but this is happening way too often to let is pass without mention. I know who Scout and 247 talk to: football coaches, players, and the families of the latter. I don't know who Rivals talks to but it's not them. I'm not saying that they're wrong all the time, but I wouldn't take anything bizarre that they say at face value until confirmed by someone else.

What does it take to get booted from a Dantonio team? MSU has lost DE Montez Sweat and DT Craig Evans to "personal issues." Those must be weighty indeed for the two to depart from a team that has repeatedly driven guys from jail to practice, especially since Evans looked very good last year as a rotation player. If MSU doesn't get a sixth year for Damon Knox their defensive line could be a lot weaker than it's been recently.

Why MSU thinks they'll get sixth years for Knox, LB Ed Davis, and OL Brandon Clemons is unknown. The article above says they haven't even applied yet…

Knox is one of three MSU players who has yet to submit his appeal to the NCAA to gain another year of eligibility via medical waiver. Knox, along with offensive lineman Brandon Clemons and linebacker Ed Davis, is still gathering the information to send in.

…but that almost has to be incorrect, right? These things shouldn't take that long, and if there's doubt—and there is serious doubt—MSU is doing those players a disservice by preventing them from entering the draft.

About that doubt: the NCAA is very strict with sixth years* and it certainly appears that all of those players took voluntary redshirts. Knox's bio notes that he was scout team player of the week before the OSU and Iowa games in 2011; those were the 5th and 10th games of the season so it beggars belief that he wasn't healthy enough to play. Ditto Davis, who got the same honor before the 4th and 9th games the same year. Clemons doesn't have sufficient evidence to disqualify him from a sixth year literally in his MSU bio but is an OL who redshirted because all OL redshirt.

*[If you are healthy enough to play for a few games that counts as a voluntary redshirt. The NCAA shoots down a ton of kids. A fifth year is way easier.]

Do it. Do it now. Sorry, A Lion Eye, but you gotta do it now:

How to repeal the camp ban posthaste. NCAA executive Oliver Luck says that the membership will "revisit" the satellite camp ban. Tom Van Haaren details what needs to happen:

One of the options Harbaugh and Manuel have is trying to get a 66.7 percent of the majority of 128 FBS programs to request that the ruling be rescinded within a 60-day override period. Since the original vote only received 66.6 percent approval, well below the required 85 percent, the programs that disagree with the ruling can still get the ban relinquished.

The original vote to ban the camps was done by conference representatives, whereas a reversal would require individual votes from programs. Getting roughly 85 programs to request the repeal might be difficult, but there are a growing number of coaches speaking out against the ban.

I'm not sure it will be that difficult if reports from the Pac-12 and the Sun Belt are accurate. Reports from both conferences hold that the coaches are almost unanimously opposed to the ban. The Sun Belt thing is wild. They sent Texas State's AD to vote in favor of the ban. Here's Texas State's football coach:

The Sun Belt is of course the conference whose commissioner answered questions about why on earth the Sun Belt would shoot themselves in the foot with his best Perd Hapley impression. Nobody knows why this dude voted the way he did.

Except one man. One pirate man. Mike Leach continues on the path of the righteous:

"I can't help but wonder if there was some manipulation with this thing, because that doesn't make any sense," Leach said. "I don't know what ivory tower or what cliff these people flew to vote, but this is something out of 'James Bond,' where they got together and voted and plotted taking control of the world. Wherever it was, some lair in the mountains with ice and machinery, a cold Dr. Evil environment where these guys voted on this thing then, at the end, they all put their hands together and did a really weird laugh, because soon they'll be conquering the world."

I love Mike Leach and hope nothing but good things happen to him forever. Mike Leach may have no connection at all to the university, but he is the best thing about Penn State.

You keep using that word. Rutgers got a commitment from NJ RB/slot Bo Melton a few days ago. Melton had a Michigan offer of some variety and of course you know all about New Jersey and Michigan recruiting, so it's unsurprising that Harbaugh is living rent-free in the collective Rutgers head:

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Just one problem with "I don't follow, I lead": Melton is a Rutgers legacy. How you doin'? (Also whoever put this together left out the A in "garden.")

Clemson Dan. Sooooooo Sam Webb played me this voice mail a few months back, and it is creepy as hell:

“If you’re coming down here, you gotta do just like the KKK and be serious about your football. Clemson and the KKK, the two things we love the most,” the caller said.

The target of the voice mail, which came at approximately 2:30 a.m. on Jan. 28, was Paramus Catholic star Rashan Gary. It was made the day before the defensive lineman took an official visit to Clemson.

The man who left the message identified himself twice during the 58-second voice mail only as “Clemson Dan.”

Clemson fans and apparently coaches claimed this was a false flag operation, and they might be right. But what if it's a DOUBLE false flag? Did you think about that? Yeah. Anyway, all Clemson fans are in the KKK. That's my takeaway.

Etc.: No, Penn State. No. NCAA will now pay for parents to attend official visits. Graham Glasgow projected as a third-rounder. Cardale Jones was not at OSU to play school, but mostly because he (correctly) didn't care about it. Man talking about Harbaugh sick of people talking about Harbaugh.

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m_go_T

April 19th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^

MSU is fully operating on the assumption that Knox and Davis will be granted sixth years.  Not sure where the confidence is coming from given the smoking guns in thier respective bios.  Anyone have an idea where the confidence stems from?

kevin holt

April 20th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

Wait a sec. Didn't want to post a thread on this but apparently an OSU receiver was granted a 6th year after A) only having one season lost to injury and B) losing that season to injury in the 5th game, i.e. over 40% done with the season. Is it because he was a JC transfer and they feel he could use another year? It says he "redshirted" in 2013 with OSU. What gives?

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2016/01/67111/corey-s…

Edit: I guess it could be considered an extraordinary circumstance somehow? And maybe I misunderstand the number-of-games rule.

Space Coyote

April 19th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^

They are going to "stretch the truth" to the maximum possible extent. I'm not even sure the NCAA will even be aware of the scout team player of the week thing. I'm not sure the NCAA will be aware of anything outside of what MSU presents them. "They did good work in the weight room" or "they studied and broke down the opponents well that week" are all fairly simple explanations MSU can give of varying degrees of probability, but I don't think "probability" is the point as much as "possibility". If the injury paper work is sufficent such that they can claim they weren't able to properly prepare and play for game action, I could see them getting some 6th years out of this.

My feeling is that at least one will be denied and at least one will be accepted. They do have some history with Tyler Hoover, who apparently had enough justification to show that he lost the majority and ends of two seasons due to injury. Whether they have that sort of info in their back pocket but not online is yet to be seen. That was quite a different case, but so is the Ott case at Iowa. 

6th years are supposed to be difficult. But the NCAA is highly arbitrary and no one is going to get punished for stretching the truth, so MSU will stretch it as much as possible in their favor. At the end, neither fans nor rivals will likely be satisfied with their decision, because it's the NCAA.

Also, it is my understanding that players have to be enrolled in grad school in order to apply for a 6th year. I believe this is due to rules pertaining to "staying on academic track", which typically applies to having so many credits completed by certain college career bench marks, but likely also pertains to the need to be on track to graduate in 5 years or less (something that apparently MSU is stretching to the max). 

the Bray

April 19th, 2016 at 2:13 PM ^

What do you mean by stretching to the max?  Isn't the rule for being granted a 6th year that you must first have graduated?  And that if Knox/Davis/other guy graduate in May, they will have done so within the 5 years?  And that you can't even apply for a 6th year until you've graduated, which is why the players/school has not yet petitioned for the extra year?

SAMgO

April 19th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^

This is a good post, but you'd have to think even the NCAA could see though that, right? In Ed Davis's profile he's listed as "Special Teams Scout Player of the Week" vs. Central Michigan. You can't be the special teams player of the week by going to class and putting in work in the weight room. Knox is "Defensive" player of the week twice.

Clemons is a slightly more interesting case, as in his profile they list that he will apply for a sixth year because he "missed majority of his red-shirt freshman season in 2012 with foot injury", though for his true freshman year they just list "Redshirted." I...assume they know the rules, which really makes you wonder why they'd specifically mention his foot injury in 2012 while just leaving his 2011 season to make it seem like he voluntarily redshirted.

It would be so enjoyable to see all three get denied and Mork be inexplicably upset about it. This is one thing the NCAA has been consistent on in the past so I think it's a decent possibility too. Here's a more thorough breakdown of the rules with example fact sets:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tam/genrel/auto_pdf/comp101-3-five-…

Steves_Wolverines

April 19th, 2016 at 6:11 PM ^

This post sums it all up. +1

They have to be able to prove that the players were unable to compete in 2 games during their two redshirt seasons. There can be no voluntary redshirt on it's own; it needs to be accompanied by a season ending injury. 

If they were capable of going 100% during practice, but were not playing in games, that would be considered voluntary, and a 6th year would be denied.

Unless they have proof that all three players were incapacitated for the entire season, twice, then they won't have a chance at getting 6th years. 

kevin holt

April 19th, 2016 at 11:17 PM ^

I'll add this post to clarify. Sorry for formatting, on mobile. Posted this in another thread but I like having these discussions and I'm glad people are open to it. Let's say for this discussion that the 3 levels are redshirt, medical redshirt, and 6th year. You can only spend all 5 years if you redshirt at one point, because you have a 5 year period in which to play 4 years. You can only redshirt if you don't play a single snap in a game that season. If you spend your redshirt by playing a snap, but you get hurt for the season before 30% of the season is over, the NCAA allows you to get that redshirt back (medical) because it wouldn't be very fair otherwise. Then you still have 5 years to spend. If somehow you get hurt and miss two seasons (or somehow miss a season for another rare reason, like you're homeless that year or very ill), the NCAA allows, in very rare circumstances, that you can have a 6th year in which to spend your 4 years of playing. If you redshirt for normal reasons but you had a slight injury, that's probably not enough. You have to prove all this by medical documentation from the time you were injured. If Davis received a medical redshirt, he wouldn't be able to play because that's just a redshirt (i.e. a free year within the 5 that doesn't count toward the 4) and his 5 year clock is done. Idk if I forgot anything but that's a very rough outline.

Steves_Wolverines

April 20th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^

I decided to do a little more digging into the details during each players redshirt years.

Damon Knox: 2011- His first year on campus. Took the typical true freshman redshirt year, and earned scout team defensive player of the week twice during the season. No mention of injury. 2012: His RS Freshman year: He played the first 2 games of the season. Mention of injury, but no details made public. Graduated in December 2015, and is working on a graduate degree now. 2013-2015 Played role in at least 8 games in each of the 3 seasons as a RS So, RS Jr, and RS Sr. The media mentions 4 missed games in 2014 for a back injury, but since he played in 8 games that season, missing those 4 games means nothing.

Damon Knox: 6th year verdict DENIED

Ed Davis:2011: First year on campus. Took the typical true freshman redshirt year, and earned scout team player of the week twice. No mention of injury. 2012 RS Fr year: Played in all 13 games. 2013 RS So year: Played in all 14 games. 2014 RS Jr year: Started in 12 games. 2015 RS Sr year: Missed entire season with ACL injury. This injury is significant enough to warrant a 6th year, IF and only IF during his True Fr RS year, he was ALSO incapacitated with a significant injury. This does NOT appear to be the case. He is expected to graduate this Spring, and then must enroll into a graduate program. Missing only 1 year to a season ending injury is not enough to qualify for a 6th year!

Ed Davis: 6th year verdict DENIED

Brandon Clemons: 2011: First year on campus; took the typical true freshman RS year. 2012: RS Fr year: Missed "majority" of season with a foot injury. Named scout team player of the week once. 2013-2015 RS So - RS Sr years: Saw action in at least 6 games every year. Graduated in December 2015, and must enroll into graduate program. Unless he was injured his entire first year on campus (2011), then he also does not qualify for the 6th year of eligbility. 

Brandon Clemons: 6th year verdict DENIED

What's interesting is that only 1 of the 3 (Damon Knox) is currently enrolled in a graduate program. Davis isn't because he still hasn't graduated yet. Clemons could be and it not be on his bio. 

The HOPE that MSU is holding on to is the example set forth by Tyler Hoover. His situation was very different from the 3 above. Here's the breakdown:

2008 True Fr year: Granted a MEDICAL RS after missing 10 games due to a shoulder injury. Appeared in 2 games, but the Medical RS is key here. 2009 RS Fr and 2010 RS So: Played in all 13 games both seasons. 2011 RS Jr year: Only played 1 (1!) game, and missed the entire season (games AND practices) with a rib injury. 2012 RS RS Jr and 2013 RS RS Sr: Played in 8 games minimum both seasons. 

The key to Hoover getting the 6th year was two things:

1) His true Fr year was cut out by a Medical RS

2) Missed another year due to a serious injury after only playing in 1 game. 1 game is crucial here because the rule states that if you played in 2 or more games, then you are not eligible for the 6th year. All 3 that applied for the 6th year either took a Voluntary RS season healthy, or played in 2 games during a RS year. 

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

April 19th, 2016 at 4:20 PM ^

Yeah, I have no idea how it shakes out, but I'm assuming ale I'll get their 6th years because of course the will. As for Hoover, his 1st season ending injury was pretty well publicized and known, unlike the three this time around. His was much clearer cut of a 'yeah, he deserves that extra year.'



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Truthbtold

April 19th, 2016 at 7:04 PM ^

Satellite Camps have been going on for years. Saban has been consistent in that he has been against them from the get go. The NCAA had heard his, and others complaints for years on this issue. The NCAA chose to ignore the whiners and allow these camps to go on, knowing the benefits to the smaller schools. They have always known those benefits, and didn't " overlook" this when they chose to ban them all of a sudden. The fact is that when Harbaugh started to abuse the use of the satellite camps, using them as a way to try and take a unfair advantage on other schools, hence prompting even louder and more visceral complains from those opposed to them, did the NCAA decide that it had to ban them. Simply put, it is HARBAUGHS bullshit that caused this response from the NCAA, not the SEC complaints. The SEC complaints have exsisted for years. So Dantonio was spot on when he said " Abuse brings Control" . That's exactly what happened. So Harbaugh need only blame himself, all other coaches that are negatively effected can blame him too.

kevin holt

April 19th, 2016 at 6:58 PM ^

That's not the reason it won't work. It won't work because they need contemporaneous documentation that shows they weren't able to participate in competition for more than 1 year. Two of the three seem to satisfy one year. The OL I'm not sure even had 1 year.

But it's a lot more than just "well my rib hurt, and I'm a freshman, so I decided to develop my skills rather than play." It has to be more like "fuck, I broke my leg and had surgery and couldn't practice."

It seems perhaps more reasonable with Davis/Knox if they were actually hurt during their redshirt years. I still think it should be denied unless they know something we don't. But the fact that the OL played for the last 3 years and yet they want to say his 1st and 2nd year were wiped out by injury? That's just hubris if it's not true. You got 3 straight years of substantial play from an OL, and you want another? Fuck outta here.

kevin holt

April 19th, 2016 at 8:16 PM ^

The thing that is so weird is the confidence. They said they have only had one athlete in the entire AD denied in the compliance director's memory out of countless applications. As Brian said, they are very rarely granted, so what gives? They seem to be confusing it with a 5th year. My theory? They know it'll be denied and they want 3 extra de facto coaches/leaders, plus an extra chip on the shoulder for the team when their leaders get denied. Is it legal to have your players stay in practice when they've exhausted their eligibility? Idk how that works.

Steves_Wolverines

April 20th, 2016 at 10:17 AM ^

I have to agree with this here. The confidence from the team (coaches, players, etc) and fans is boggling to me. How can they ink these kids' names on the depth chart, when getting a 6th year is almost impossible, and we can clearly see at least 2 of them are not eligible due to winning multiple weeks of top performer in practice. 

I can't wait to see the outcry on rcmb when Davis and Knox get denied their 6th year. 

Magnus

April 19th, 2016 at 1:40 PM ^

I can't agree about Tim and Brandon doing yeoman's work at Rivals. I mean, maybe they're working hard, but they're not necessarily pointing in the right direction. IMO, they're as much to blame for a lack of solid information as anyone else on the staff.

Otherwise, good post.

Blue in Yarmouth

April 19th, 2016 at 2:00 PM ^

I enjoyed Tim somewhat when he was here but I never understood the love for Brown. I didn't find he ever added much of anything to any particular conversation and to this day he hasn't changed my opinion. Meh, not that I don't like the guy I obviously don't even know him...I just never understood what the fuss was about. 

Magnus

April 19th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^

I don't dislike either one, but I don't think they're very good at their job. I don't pay a subscription to MGoBlog (though I do donate in various ways), so I can't really complain about what they did here. But I do have a subscription to Rivals and 247, and the sub to Rivals is basically down the drain month after month. Luckily, Lorenz and Wiltfong make the 247 subscription worth it.

bronxblue

April 19th, 2016 at 1:44 PM ^

The 6th years seem highly unlikely, but you have to think their assumption is based on something other than hubris, right? The camp ban has to be overturned at this rate.

rugbypike11

April 19th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^

Having lived in both Carolinas, I'll point out that South Carolina fans are the most insufferable fan base in the SEC.  Well... second most.  LSU is the worst.

Anyway, "Clemson Dan's" accent sounds like a low-country SC accent, which is an area dominated by rednecks and wealthy desendents of plantation owners (despite what they would like for outsiders to believe, those two "classes" have signficant overlap) who root predominately for the Gamecocks.  They are just the kinds of sick SOBs that would try to fake a phone call to keep their most bitter rival from getting an elite talent.  I hate to think of how insufferable South Carolina fans would be if they ever win their conference.  It was bad enough that time they won their division.

julesh

April 19th, 2016 at 2:28 PM ^

I was listening to the college sports channel on SiriusXM yesterday and whoever was on said that Penn State is so easy to root for. Really? You can root for THAT fanbase to be happy?

Blue_In_Texas

April 19th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^

"I love Mike Leach and hope nothing but good things happen to him forever. Mike Leach may have no connection at all to the university, but he is the best thing about Penn State." 

 

Did not get this line. 

socrking

April 19th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^

Some psu blog had a bracket to decide the most psu thing ever. Naturally, Joe Paterknew, the coach who employed (enabled?) Jerry Sandusky to molest children won. The blog tweeted out the winner...Anthony wright retweeted and mgoblog retweeted awright. I don't quite get the humor either, but I think that's the basis for the joke.



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