Unverified Voracity Borks The Cup

Submitted by Brian on June 12th, 2017 at 3:56 PM

Bork! Last night Carl Hagelin had a case of deja vu when a ref blew the play dead despite a very loose puck in the crease. Luckily for him, the grave miscarriage of justice happened to the other team this time. Result:

Hagelin had the empty-netter to seal it, and that's Carl Hagelin: the guy you put on the ice with a minute left when you're up 1-0 in game six of the Stanley Cup finals. Congrats to the Penguins and their veritable horde of college hockey alums; nuts to all the people who call Sidney Crosby "Cindy."

Better than perfect. I don't know how Michigan is claiming a 1006 APR for one year, but they are indeed:

This is a much better thing to try to figure out than "what score do they need to not get nailed?"

Amateurism is bad and dumb, part 300. UCF has a kicker. You probably did not know this but could extrapolate it from facts. It is a certainty that no one wants to give this kicker money for playing college football. He plays for Central Florida. He is a kicker. He has zero career field goals. But he's also a minor Youtube star with 52,000 subscribers. Fly, meet nuclear bomb:

On Saturday, June 10, De La Haye uploaded a new YouTube video titled, “Quit college sports or quit YouTube?”. In the video, the kicker showed up to a meeting at the football offices exclaiming he felt like it was Judgement Day.

“Everything’s going to go well,” he said in the video. “We’re just going to talk about ways that I can keep doing what I’m doing and follow the rules.”

It’s unclear who the meeting was with, but upon returning, De La Haye said he was basically given an ultimatum of choosing between football or YouTube videos.

“The meeting went well, but it didn’t go well at the same time,” he said. “Basically, I’m not allowed to make any money off of my YouTube videos. I’m working hard basically as a job — filming, editing and things of that sort, and I’m not allowed to make any money. If I do, then bad things happen for me. I feel like they’re making me pick between my passion for what I love to do shooting videos and entertaining and my other passion, playing football.”

This isn't an anomaly. This is the ruthless logic of amateurism as practiced by the NCAA: not only will we not give you any money, but nobody else can give it to you either. Even if it has nothing to do with sports. Even if you are so obscure that you're not even an AAC school's primary kicker.

Lavall Jordan moving on up? Jordan just took over UWM but there's an opening at Butler and he almost got the job once before:

Jordan will certainly be a person of interest when Beilein decides to hang 'em up, and Butler would be a fine platform via which to confirm or dis-confirm the idea that he should be the successor.

What is even going on in Oxford. The Ole Miss saga—I can call it a saga because it involves men in helmets bellowing nonsense and ends with an axe going through someone's forehead—takes an odd twist:

A business in Oxford, Miss., has filed a civil complaint alleging defamation that could reverberate through the University of Mississippi’s ongoing NCAA case. Rebel Rags LLC, an Oxford-based clothing company, filed the complaint Friday in Lafayette County Circuit Court.

The suit alleges defamation in the NCAA testimony of two Mississippi State football players, Leo Lewis and Kobe Jones, and also Lindsey Miller, the estranged stepfather of former Rebel star Laremy Tunsil. In Ole Miss’s response to the NCAA’s notice of allegations last week, it attempts to deny the allegations that two recruits and the family member of a recruit—Lewis, Jones and Miller—received a total of $2,800 in gear from Rebel Rags.

The store in question is named as a booster and if disassociated will lose its ability to sell Ole Miss gear. This is a slight problem for a store that only sells Ole Miss gear. Therefore this, which cannot be good for Ole Miss. Either the NCAA will pause for the outcome of a court case, lengthening the recruiting purgatory that caused Hugh Freeze to refer to his 2017 class as a penalty, or it will do whatever it's going to do anyway. The general thought is that the NCAA will do the latter, leaving this defamation lawsuit as an attempt to exact some revenge on the folks who set the Ole Miss program on fire.

What is even going on in East Lansing. Another gent who won't be playing for MSU this year:

Former Michigan State lineman Cassius Peat says he felt "blindsided" earlier this week when coaches told him he didn't have a spot on the team less than a week from when he was supposed to report to East Lansing.

Peat told the Detroit Free Press that Michigan State coaches informed him Wednesday that he shouldn't return to campus for summer workouts.

"I have respect for them, and I understand it's a business," Peat told the Free Press. "But morally, man, as a 20-year-old kid with a family, for them to do that is -- I can't even put it into words, to be honest."

Peat was the ultra-rare JUCO guy who was set to return to his original school. Since he is an ambulatory person large enough to play DL and Michigan State looks set to have two walk-ons on their DE depth chart, this could not have been voluntary on MSU's part. Peat must have failed to get by the Clearinghouse.

The number of players MSU has lost to offseason attrition is truly prodigious:

  • OL Thiyo Lukusa: quits team, says he's giving up football, ends up at JUCO.
  • S Drake Martinez: probably a playing time transfer
  • DE Donovan Winter: dropped after armed burglary charge
  • LB Jon Reshcke: dropped N-bomb on teammate
  • WR Donnie Corley: charged with criminal sexual conduct
  • DE Josh King: charged with criminal sexual conduct
  • S Demetric Vance: charged with criminal sexual conduct
  • DE Auston Robertson, charged with criminal sexual conduct
  • DT Cassius Peat: probably not qualified?
  • CB Kaleel Gaines: JUCO transfer, academics related?
  • S Kenney Lyke: another JUCO transfer, academics related?

That might not be it, either. MSU's Scout site reported that CB Vayante Copeland and DE Robert Bowers were gone as well; Dantonio directly refuted that report but when insider sites report negative news there's almost always something to it. If those guys do end up gone MSU will be down almost an entire recruiting class of guys they expected to be on the team this fall. Add in the dismal finish to MSU's 2017 class and they're going to go into this season with a roster as depleted as a sanctioned PSU program was a few years back.

This is an amazing carousel. Via Get The Picture, an amazing thing about Florida:

Transfer quarterbacks are nothing new for Florida, which has seen six of its own quarterbacks transfer since 2010 and had signal-callers Luke Del Rio and Austin Appleby transfer in to the program. So far, the players coming in haven’t done much more than the players going out, and Zaire is hoping that all changes with him.

That's a transfer out per year. Since you usually recruit one quarterback a year… carry the two… some long division… take the cosine… that's bad.

Not bad enough for Florida to stop winning the SEC East, apparently.

Etc.: DJ Wilson #16 on the SBN mock draft. State theater renovations underway; end result will be four small theaters. Bruce Arena helped the US scratch out a draw at Azteca yesterday because he's not a goof pretending to be a coach. CMU to be a bodybag game for basketball this fall. This would be a good fix for illegal men downfield being hard to call. It's Harbaugh's job to find the loopholes though. Harbaugh goes to Washington. Wagner up to 245.

Comments

Section 1.7

June 12th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^

...it is only because the motivation to evade those rules is so intense and undending.

I expect that Donald De La Haye has some easy and relatively clear choices.  Take a break from doing videos, for the limited period of time that you are an NCAA student-athlete. And when you have completed your degree in marketing, by all means go back to it.

And if your current video work is really a continuation of your degree work, arrange to do it strictly through a UCF department.  Do it in a way that insures you aren't breaking amateurism rules.  If you don't like the "400 page NCAA rulebook," UCF has a compliance department to advise you.  Nobody is telling you what to do.  They are asking you to make a choice.

I assure you, David De La Haye, the NCAA does not care how you "take a shit."  ( A charming marketing play from a marketing major who always wants to "speak professionally, appear professionally," etc.)

I am thoroughly unimpressed by David De La Haye, and I am really surprised that Brian Cook, absent some other agenda, would be at all impressed.

L'Carpetron Do…

June 12th, 2017 at 5:13 PM ^

These amateurism rules are unlaundered, unfiltered bullshit.  They're plain stupid.  What exactly does the NCAA accomplish by busting this kid's balls for making freakin' YouTube videos?  Not a damn thing. 

Meanwhile Baylor has a systemic cultural (I avoided a much stronger term there) problem within its athletics program but that goes completely unaddressed.  There is no institution worse than the NCAA.

Section 1.7

June 12th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^

...is that it prevents an Alabama Booster from setting up a YouTube passthrough corporation where student-athletes make "videos" for other Alabama-fan "subscribers."  Aaaaannnd, profit.

Hell, you make up your own scenario from one of the eleventy-zillion possibilites.  The seeming detail in the rules is exceeded only by the imagination in avoiding them.

You make it sound like David De La Haye is acutally being punished by the NCAA, when of course that isn't true at all.  Somebody took the time to talk to him about how to stay within the rules.

None of you have heard from a compliance officer; only De La Haye's self-serving video.  I'd say "amateur video," but clearly he wants to be a pro at that.  Hearing precisely one side of this story, you are ready to go into obscene name-calling mode.

And I want to ask some more inconvenient questions: Is it not the case, that De La Haye's video channel is popular precisely because he is an NCAA kicker?  I don't know.  Does he do ordinary, routine video production?  Is there something else about his life that is must-see tv for me?  I am presumng that everyone knows this kid as "the FCU kicker, who does videos."

'Scuse me, but I have absolutely no worries about the NCAA regulating matters that relate directly to student-athletes' capitalizing on their status as "athletes" in the second half of "Student-Athlete."  If he wants to make money by doing cooking videos, or videos featuring his views on Sino-American trade, or videos on radio repair, would the NCAA care?  I am presuming that those would be no problem.

 

Section 1.7

June 12th, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^

...before I could add to the previous commenter, that Baylor looks like it is going to be in a lot of trouble, from the authorities that appropriately have jurisidiction.

And in the realm of criminal assualts, obstruction of justice, etc., the NCAA isn't equipped and isn't intended to be the law-enforcement mechanism.

I think I said it in the last "Baylor" thread; sports team message boards are, in my experience, one of the worst places to discuss criminal justice issues.

 

Hail-Storm

June 13th, 2017 at 11:27 AM ^

Second off, I think you're way wrong on this.

The NCAA brags about how ~95% or something of their particpants will go pro in something other than the sport they play in school.  Going to school while playing a sport is supposed to prepare you for the world outside of college, and that's what this guy is doing, making money running a small production on the side.  

Can this system be abused by Alabama? Yeah no probalem. Can Alabama boosters just provide money directly to relatives avoiding the system anyway? Yeah. So why stop kids from making money doing work because of the possibility of abuse that already exists. 

bronxblue

June 12th, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^

it prevents an Alabama Booster from setting up a YouTube passthrough corporation where student-athletes make "videos" for other Alabama-fan "subscribers." Aaaaannnd, profit.

No it wouldn't. He could get hired by a third-party organization and perform work in the summer. It happens all the time. Hell, every year you hear about no-show jobs college athletes pick up paychecks from. This is a new income stream, but the core issue remains and, unsurprisingly, has never been stopped. Because the NCAA only really cares when the lights are on and they stand to lose some money.

You make it sound like David De La Haye is acutally being punished by the NCAA, when of course that isn't true at all. Somebody took the time to talk to him about how to stay within the rules.

And the fair assumption based on all evidence both here and in the annals of NCAA rulings is that "staying within the rules" means "stop doing it." Maybe there's some nuance here, but I sorta doubt the NCAA spent too much time on that.

If he wants to make money by doing cooking videos, or videos featuring his views on Sino-American trade, or videos on radio repair, would the NCAA care? I am presuming that those would be no problem.

The NCAA is profoundly weird. You can make money as a professional in one sport (but only some) while being an amateur in others. And my guess is that if an athlete made money on, say, a gaming site, the NCAA would get mad at that as well. Because the NCAA doesn't really care about amateurism as much as they care about controlling money.

Section 1.7

June 12th, 2017 at 6:11 PM ^

...if MGoBlog was journalism, maybe we could look forward to an interview with somebody like John Infante.  Or somebody else who might shock us all with... another point of view!

And answer lots of your questions.

I'm not knocking MGoBlog, or Brian.  Brian speaks of "journalism-type stuff," when in fact he's a better journalist than most people practicing the profession, self-proclaimed.  Brian has a viewpoint and he's entitled to it.  He's got a blog, as a means to make his views known.  And it is a damn good blog.

But you'd all look a lot smarter if you tried to see more than one canned viewpoint on a complicated subject.

oriental andrew

June 12th, 2017 at 8:02 PM ^

is that it's less about making money and more about who he is and/or represents. the same sort of offsite as Jeremy Bloom (I think that's the name), the Colorado receiver who was also an Olympics level skier. they essentially asked him to kill his skiing career by telling him he couldn't have any endorsements, which is basically the only way he could afford to keep skiing. the rationale, I believe, is that as long as he is an NCAA student athlete, they basically own his likeness. profiting off of his own likeness for any other reason is against their rules. I think if he had earned a salary or hourly wage, it wouldn't have mattered, as is the case with minor league baseball players.

L'Carpetron Do…

June 13th, 2017 at 10:27 AM ^

Wow, you are extra saucy on this issue. Is this kid really going to through all that trouble? Most college kids - and even idiot SEC bagmen - aren't smart enough to figure out setting up something like that. And who is going to pay him exactly? He is a back-up kicker for UCF.  And as Fann pointed out - some of the players at Alabama, et al, don't need pass-through shell companies to get paid by crooked boosters. 

The NCAA is like the SEC or the IRS - toothless enforcement agencies that only go after the little guy they can get a victory against.  Why take on the real violators - UNC, Baylor, SEC, Florida State - for their out of control programs?  Why go after the big dogs when you can nail a kicker for some nickel-and-dime infraction?

I'm not so sure Baylor is going to be in a lot of trouble. I know NCAA concerns itself mostly with issues of academics and amateurism but I can't believe what Baylor did doesn't violate any NCAA statutes. They may suffer some legal consequences, namely in the form of fines or settlement payments, but I doubt they'll ever be forced to suspend or kill a program, go on probation, lose scholarships, etc. They'll still be able to have an athletics program that brings in millions each year.  

Kevin13

June 13th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

from the bag men. This guy maybe a kicker, but how about some star a team wants. Hey you made a Youtube video, let me pay you 10K for doing that. Or let me give you a job, you don't need to show up for it but I will still pay you 10K for it.

It is the outside influence that causes these types of rules, which make it sad. Too much greed and cheating out there and they have to do what they can to at least slow it down.

bronxblue

June 12th, 2017 at 5:44 PM ^

It's funny - as soon as I saw the quote below, I 100% knew this was your tortured, illogical take.

Nobody is telling you what to do. They are asking you to make a choice.

The school literally brought him into a room, sat him down, and said "either stop making videos or you're gone from this football team". I think you are looking for the word "ultimatum" there, but whatever.

NCAA athletes are human beings, and there are so many prohibitions against them making even a dollar off their play on the field, their name, that it astounds most people who aren't dogmatically against the idea of a stranger they don't know getting something they can't. But whatever, assuming for a moment you aren't against athletic compensation for this petty reason, this is something he does, on his own, that amounts to vlogging comedy.  As he said, it's like a job.  If he worked in the cafeteria while on scholarship, or worked at a local business in the summer, I doubt the NCAA would care.  Hell, if he ran a Twitch channel, my guess is they wouldn't have a freaking idea how that worked and would be fine with that as well.

But instead, the NCAA has now marked yet another means of generating revenue verboten for college athletes.  Now, as the legitimate means of doing so disappear, the logical outcome is that (a) college kids on athletic scholarship find it hard to generate any above-aboard income and, then (b) turn to under-the-table payments, no-show jobs, and all the other activities that the NCAA clutches it's pearls when they pop up.

I despise the slippery slope trope people trot out when something a little different than the mainstream gains acceptance and everyone's mind goes to the extreme, but when you see things like this, like Jeremy Bloom years ago not being able to play football because he was a professional skier while college baseball draftees can receive compensation from their clubs, you see the NCAA making arbitrary rules and wonder when they'll get tired of moving the goal posts and just strip the field entirely.  

I'd love to know what bothers you so much about this guy trying to run a youtube page and maybe getting some advertiser money for it.

kehnonymous

June 14th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

Gotta think that the ban came about because of:

I am thoroughly unimpressed by David De La Haye, and I am really surprised that Brian Cook, absent some other agenda, would be at all impressed.

It's almost as if passive-aggressive shots at a guy on the blog he runs might have consequences.

The Fugitive

June 12th, 2017 at 4:25 PM ^

1. Fuck the Penguins.

2. If Jordan gets the job at Butler, why would he leave his alma mater for Michigan at that point?  Maybe he would but the Big East is a really good league and he would be the top dog (hell yea pun intended) at Butler because they don't sport in other sports like they sport in basketball. But if he does well there then back up the Brinks truck and make an offer he can't refuse.

readyourguard

June 12th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^

Not allowing players to make money away from the field, in something completely unrelated to their sport, is totally asinine. It's a stupid rule that makes zero sense. Kids are still allowed to work in the summertime, right? What if he only make videos in the summer?

Nonetheless, I don't see how this has anything to do with paying players directly or amateurism. But we're never going to agree on that.

oriental andrew

June 12th, 2017 at 9:38 PM ^

I believe the issue is probably around profiting off of his likeness, name, notoriety as an ncaa football player. I haven't watched his channel, but it is likely that the compliance folks believe he is getting views and income at least partially due to his status as a football player. making money in and of itself is not the issue. I doubt agree with it, but the issues of making money versus using one's likeness are separate.

CriticalFan

June 13th, 2017 at 7:02 AM ^

If he had started out wearing a mask or having a pen name, would it be compliant?

The logic is so tortured thinking this kid's money is purely from his football notoriety, but when, say, Jon Falk hired football players during the summer, that wasn't because of the football connection.

EGD

June 12th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^

Is it time to revisit the hockey rules that (i) the referee blows his whistle as soon as he loses sight of the puck, or (ii) the notorious "intent to blow" rule?

I get that having the ref blow immediately on losing sight of the puck protect goalies from the  one or more offensive players who are going to be mercilessly whacking away at the goalie whenever the puck is in or around the goal.  But would it make that big a difference (safetywise) to require that the referee believe the puck is frozen, or that the ref have lost sight of the puck for a whole second?  Surely there is some alternative that reasonably protects goalies while not having legitimate goals waved off.

ziggolfer

June 12th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^

Jason Botterill

 

Although he is not employed by the penguins, he was still at the celebration last night, and I imagine will be included as a winner. NHL seems like it would have more sense than other sports. His work in the front office wasn't affected by his absence during the playoffs, and I think he should receive credit from UofM at least. 

 

http://buffalonews.com/2017/06/12/mike-harrington-back-work-botterill-one-last-celebration-penguins/

rkfischer

June 12th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

Loved watching the Penguins pass the puck. Very exciting to see Carl Hagelin’s speed to chase down the loose puck and slam it into the goal for the clincher. Love to watch the offense in hockey, hate the grabbing by the defense. Make the goals bigger and the rink international sized. 

lhglrkwg

June 12th, 2017 at 6:38 PM ^

and when I saw that loose puck with :20 left or so, I was hoping the Predators would grab it but then I saw that familiar stride and familiar hair zoom into view and I knew it was over. Sure enough Carl split them and it was done.

Can't stand the Penguins but I'm happy for Carl and Kevin. The title eluded them both in 2009 and eluded Carl again in 2011. Happy to see them win a cup

Steves_Wolverines

June 12th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^

Another footnote regarding MSU and their defensive-line depth/starters; Demetrius Cooper is expected to be a starter, and play the majority of snaps. And yes, this is the same Demetrius Cooper who spat on a police officer, violated the terms of his parole by drinking alcohol and posting it on Snapchat, only to get the terms of his parole changed, and missing out on the spring game (maybe due to his off the field issues, or because he had cyst removed from his knee).

Either way, seems like a great character guy to be leading the DL for MSU this season.