Thursday Recruitin' Spins In Circles, As One Does Comment Count

Brian

Yes another one so soon, it's recruiting time.

Hello Tarik Black

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Commit post from Ace here; a couple of late-breaking items that didn't fit in that post follow. Isaiah Hole got an interview with his high school coach:

What techniques have you seen out of him that he's truly dominant at?

I think his route-running ability is freakish, to be honest. He has an innate ability in and out of a cut and create separation, no matter what you're doing. And he will catch any ball near him.

Brian Dohn has some more scouting at, uh, Scout:

When getting off of the line of scrimmage, Black knows how to set up the cornerback and stick his foot into the ground and make a cut. He gets his head around quickly and locates the ball well.

Black also has big, strong hands, and he does a very good job of securing the ball quickly and heading up the field to make yards.

I'm not sure who he'll get compared to when I do the recruiting profile. Michigan hasn't had a lot of 6'4" guys at WR with Black's apparent polish. FWIW, Black will enroll early.

Orbiting panic guy getting a workout

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Drama must accompany any announcement from a recruit in the five star range even when there doesn't seem to be much available, and we hit that point with MI WR Donovan Peoples-Jones and NY OL Isaiah Wilson yesterday. There has been FSU and OSU chatter about Peoples-Jones, and there was a surge of Georgia optimism—one that included a couple crystal balls—for Wilson.

The situations for both are similar: there is a genuine uncertainty since neither player has told coaching staffs where they are headed prior to their announcement. Black was a silent commit for a couple months before his announcement, and there are some other guys on the board who are equally drama-free. Neither of these gents are that.

Webb reports that Peoples-Jones was still sounding folks out for advice as of Monday. DPJ has been on Michigan's campus a zillion times, including an official visit last weekend; Isaiah Hole reports that he spent a lot of time with Najee Harris and his mother, purportedly in an attempt to recruit them to Michigan. Lorenz says it would be a "considerable upset" if he went anywhere else, etc. This has a Lavert Hill vibe to it where there's some uncertainty going into the announcement but the sheer number of visits DPJ has taken and his connections to Michigan should see M win out.

DPJ announces at 8:30 on ESPN2.

The Wilson stuff looks like a Reverse Nauta to me. If you remember last year's recruitment of TE Isaac Nauta you'll remember the surge of Michigan optimism late that ended up petering out. This is a little different since 247's Ryan Bartow has issued a CB for Wilson to UGA based on a "trio of contacts." He's currently the only member of the insider crew with that opinion. Lorenz is still hearing Michigan; Bama people are hearing Wilson "prefers to play in the SEC" but that Alabama isn't really in it anymore for whatever reason and still riding with Michigan; Mike Farrell and Adam Friedman at Rivals are picking Michigan; 247 Georgia guy Rusty Mansell thinks it's "tight" but also goes with Michigan.

I still go back to that Friedman article I've referenced a couple times where he said he pretty much knew where he was going. That was before the Georgia visit. So for Georgia to win this recruitment one of these two things has to be true:

  1. Everyone was completely wrong about Wilson's inclinations for the duration of his recruitment and a single unofficial over the summer to UGA was enough to overcome full-court presses from Alabama and Michigan.
  2. Georgia did enough on his official visit to overturn an already-made decision.

I guess it's possible; I'll believe it when I see it. Wilson should decide around noon tomorrow.

Obligatory Najee Harris section

Wheatley coaching Harris at Michigan's satellite camp in Antioch

Sam Webb dropped what is probably the longest insider post on a single recruit I've ever seen. The topic, as you may infer from the section header, is naturally CA RB Najee Harris. There's too much in it to even summarize. The most salient bit in my eyes is the total media blackout since Harris's visit:

That includes Scout's Bama writer A.P. Steadham, who has actually spent time in Najee's home interviewing his mom. He was the first to interview her, and for that matter I think he has interviewed her more than anyone else. Since the visit I’m told he has gotten crickets.

Huffman has spoken with the kid and folks in the school more than anyone else in the media (Huff is SUPER connected Antioch). So far crickets for him too (but don’t expect it to be that way much longer).

That blackout results in the kind of reports you see about Harris, where guy who works for team-oriented recruiting site asks team sources how they feel. Naturally they feel real good. 247's Hank South is their main Alabama guy and reports that "a source familiar with Harris's recruitment" believes Harris will stick with 'Bama, which is basically what they've been saying for a year with no more or less conviction.

The other running backs

Harris's uncertain status and AJ Dillon's BC flip puts the other two RB commits in the spotlight. MSU appears to be kicking the tires on 3* GA RB Kurt Taylor. Dillon's decommit should make Taylor's spot in the class much more secure. Still worth noting since that's the only non-Michigan activity on Taylor's profile since April, when he may or may not have taken an unofficial to South Carolina.

Meanwhile NM RB O'Maury Samuels was upgraded to "moderate" on the imaginary flip watch spreadsheet after his official had to be delayed until January so he could re-take the ACT. Sam mentioned a potential Brad Hawkins redux in the Scout best guess list; not everyone is up for a prep year if someone else will take you immediately.

If Harris goes the wrong way Michigan could end up with a thin RB crew. Probably doesn't matter a ton since they have three contributors returning and Davis/Walker coming off redshirts, but I really liked both Samuels and Dillon as prospects.

Mmmmmhmmmm

In case you'd like to know how competitive Michigan State is in the race for MI DE/DT Deron Irving-Bey's commitment, here's an MSU recruiting insider bombing the talent level of the only instate four star other than MSU legacy Hunter Rison the Spartans have a shot at:

A source added that, "Irving-Bey's senior film wasn't that impressive and doesn't play with a high motor."

Spartan Tailgate was told Irving-Bey is not likely to end up at Michigan State unless they miss out on several other defensive linemen targets ahead of him. That's one of the reasons why Irving-Bey hasn't taken an official visit to Michigan State yet.

Irving-Bey will announce on January 7th at the Army game. MSU's several DL targets in front of Irving-Bey... will not do that.

Also in mmmmhmmmm:

A source close to Harris told SEC Country recently that he prefers Alabama’s weight program more so than Michigan’s. In fact, one player Harris personally knows at Michigan became very out of shape, and it was off-putting. Harris is a workout freak and Alabama strength coach Scott Cochran may be the best in college football.

That is almost certainly Harris's trainer and indicates where he wants Harris to go more than anything else. The idea that there's a huge problem with a Michigan S&C program that is about to put 12 kids in the NFL draft is bush league pyschout stuff, man.

EPISODE IV: A NEW ROSS

Senior film from 4* MI LB commit Josh Ross:

Ross is a bigger version of his brother and will probably play ILB what with Michigan recruiting various safety/LB hybrids for the Peppers spot.

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CA CB Elijah Hicks is in a holding pattern after his official to Michigan. His coach still swears up and down he'll sign with ND, but he is an unreliable narrator. Michigan stopped by PA OL and PSU commit CJ Thorpe for whatever reason. Unless things go haywire down the stretch that's unlikely to amount to anything either way.

2018 CA WR Amon-Ra St Brown, younger brother of ND WR Equanimeous, says he will definitely visit Michigan. ND turmoil might open the door for M. 

2019—you are old and will die soon—GA OL/DL Chris Hinton Jr is a potential five star who Michigan has offered. He's worth a mention even at this early stage because both his parents went to Northwestern. I'm giving him an honorary hyphen and expect he'll be a hot name around this time next year.

Former MSU DT Craig Evans lands at Oregon State after a JUCO year. Oregon State is where Gary Andersen is after he left Wisconsin in a huff, largely because he couldn't get guys like Evans, a former UW commit, in. So there's a thing.

MI CB Donovan Johnson shot up to #7 in the state on the composite, which is a bummer for Michigan twitter screenshotting. Johnson just committed to PSU. MSU didn't even offer, which is the weirdest thing about this year's in-state recruiting.

Also I just need to say that Alabama is recruiting guys named "Buggs" and "Ruggs" at the same time. That is all.

Comments

FatGuyTouchdown

December 15th, 2016 at 1:10 PM ^

is on a pretty similar path that Michigan was on for a little while. Coach enjoys great success (Carr-Richt), ends up leaving on a bit of a sour note because 9-10 win seasons only get you so far, new guy comes in after spurning Alabama (Granted Kirby Smart was actually at Bama, and I doubt anyone would blame him for taking a head coaching job instead of staying as a DC). 

stephenrjking

December 15th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^

Ok, I think the S&C thing is as ridiculous as the next guy.

But are we sure Michigan isn't out of shape with all of those late game fades? Even Harbaugh acknowledged a conditioning problem in November. I don't think it will affect the Harris recruitment, but is there something there?

SanDiegoWolverine

December 15th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^

Wtf are you talking about? If we faded at all it was on the offensive end. Besides RB's and occasionally WR's championship quality teams don't rotate on offense. Are you saying we should have been rotating our QB or OL? We had plenty of RB and TE/WR/FB depth this year. Please explain yourself because at the most important position group (DL) we had an abundence of depth.

1464

December 15th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

Are you referring to MSU, Iowa, and OSU?

2nd half was when we won against Colorado.  

Conditioning wasn't the problem against OSU.  If I'm being diplomatic, 3rd down drops were the problem.  If not... we all know.  

MSU - I think we took our foot off the gas too soon, but were never really in danger.  

Iowa, that was what it was.  But that certainly wasn't a trend.  

I think 'need to step it up in the 4th quarter' is pretty much just standard coach speak.

Squash34

December 15th, 2016 at 10:30 PM ^

Everytime they ran the pitch or power they messed up who was supposed to block down and who should pull. Im not over exaggerating either. I literally don't recall one of those plays they were they got the down block and puller right. Pretty crazy considering it was not a problem before that game, and I has not been since.

DonAZ

December 15th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^

Setting aside the "late game fade" issue -- because I don't know how to gauge whether that's a true problem -- let's look at what the quote above said:

... one player Harris personally knows at Michigan became very out of shape, and it was off-putting.

It would be interesting to know who that player is simply to understand context a little more.  I'm sure all programs have some players that are workout animals and some that might slack off a bit. 

Harris is a workout freak and Alabama strength coach Scott Cochran may be the best in college football.

That begs the question where Kevin Tolbert falls in the spectrum of S&C coaches in the top-tier of college football.  Tolbert has a long history with Harbaugh, so Harbaugh knew what he was getting. 

Didn't Michigan get a weight room upgrade back when RR was here?  Is the S&C facilities something where programs leap-frog each other?  Beyond a point, is there much more than can really be added? 

Final pondering question ... would it be acceptable within the rules to say to a recruit, "Come to Michigan and you can be involved in designing the next generation of S&C facilities?"  I would imagine a top athlete would love to have a say in that.

lhglrkwg

December 15th, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^

Against Iowa and Ohio State all we needed to do was run the ball and we failed spectacularly at that. That points to terrible run blocking, not some late game fade. The defense was rock solid in both games except for deep in the 4th quarter when the offense became limp and the defense got gassed.

If we're able to run the ball with any consistency, no one is talking about conditioning or late game fades

ST3

December 15th, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mich/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2016-…

Read the play-by-play. Begin with our drive that started with 0:15 left in the 3rd quarter. This is what happened.

Evans 7 yard run, Evans 6 yard run, Smith 2 yard run, Speight 4 yard run

Speight 17 yard pass

Evans 6 yard run

2nd and 4: INCOMPLETE PASS

3rd and 4: INCOMPLETE PASS

Drive resumes after Iowa penalty

6 yard run

3 yard run

-6 yard run trying to block 11 guys in the box with 9. Watch the play in the UFR. That's an RPS -3,  not poor line blocking. They ran a sweep right into a corner blitz.

Next drive:

Evans 2 yard run, Peppers 4 yard run, Speight pass for 4, Smith 7 yard run, Smith 2 yard run, Hill 2 yard run, McDoom -2 yard run (I've been told the o-line is not responsible for those gimmick plays)

Speight run for 3

Speight INTERCEPTED

Last drive

1 yard run, 1 yard run, INCOMPLETE PASS

I see four bad passing plays mixed in with a lot of moderately successful running plays. If you are upset about the two 1 yard runs on the last drive, I don't know what to tell you. Only the very elite offenses are able to grind out yardage in those situations.

And I'm not blaming Speight. I remember them working on his shoulder after every drive. If he's healthy, we win that game.

 

 

ST3

December 15th, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^

Running a sweep into a corner blitz with 11 in the box. Does anyone realistically think this has any chance to succeed? This one was on Drevno or whoever made the call, or Speight for not checking out of it.

For the record, Bredeson got a -3 on this. Take that away and his UFR score for the game is 0. Braden was 3.5, Cole was 3.5 and Magnuson was 4. Those are not bad grades.

Kalis had a -2.5 and got beat by a very good Jaleel Johnson.

Squash34

December 15th, 2016 at 10:50 PM ^

If it is blocked properly. I talked about this in another post. The wrong guy pulled. Bradenson has to block down their because the 3 tech is on his inside shoulder. When you don't block down and the dt is a stud, he does exactly what happened here -blows the play up. However, if he blocks down and the backside gaurd or center pulls (like what happened in every other game) that is a first down. I know, I know, the cb blitzed but Braden got enough of him for the wr to cut inside and keep going. The problem is the back can't really cut in because of the big ass dt in his grill because he was not blocked down on. Watch the play side blocking outside of the blitzing cb, everyone get on his block, the inline te blocks down and erases the guy, but gets a good block on the lb. Cole or kalis should have pulled and would be free to clean up. After all, bradenson is passing butt's block when the dt, he should have blocked down on, is making the tackle.

ST3

December 16th, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^

Even if he makes that block, it turns a 6 yard loss into a 2-3 yard loss. There's another 4 Iowa tacklers around the RB when he gets stopped. They run blitzed that play with all they had and were swarming in the backfield. No way that play works. You are trying to block 11 with 9, and running east-west so the two free defenders have even more time to penetrate the backfield. I too have watched that play ~53 times and I just don't see that working even if Bredeson blocks properly.

ST3

December 15th, 2016 at 3:46 PM ^

You have interesting definitions of "limp" and "gassed"

Check the 4th quarter stats. Michigan held the ball for 10:52 to Iowa's 4:08. We ran 22 plays to their 12. We were 3-7 on third down. That's 43%. We were 44% on the year. The offense didn't go limp. If the defense gets gassed against 12 plays in 4:08 of a quarter, we've got serious problems.

What happened was a poor play call on 3rd and 1, the pass interception, Darboh's drop, and the 15 yard penalty on the Iowa punt return. Shit happens, but let's not make up stuff to fit a narrative being pedaled around these parts.

dragonchild

December 15th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

It was scheme, and demoralization.  For the scheme side, I think Harbaugh lost trust in his O-line and QB and went into a shell.  Note that after we turned the ball over by INT or safety, the playcalling got ludicrously conservative.  I think Harbaugh overreacted, but I also see why he did it.  Iowa was an offensive trainwreck; Harbaugh probably felt his choices were to squander the lead quickly or squander it slowly.  He walked a fine line with some third-down play-actions and an injured QB.

As for demoralization, the thing about crap calls isn't that they by themselves decide the game.  They seem to, but they don't.  The problem is that the quality of the officiating dictates the quality of the play.  B1G refs are scandalously atrocious and seem to be out for Harbaugh (I don't remember Hoke's squads getting this sort of treatment).  MSU was tearing our DL's jerseys off and OSU was tackling our receivers with fists & vinegar so as the games went on they were increasingly reckless.  When Michigan got hit with ticky-tack calls it took time for the shell shock to wear off.

The spot itself was close, but when they gave OSU the first down I knew it was over.  Not because the call itself, but the trend up to that point and the time it took for them to "confirm" the ruling on the field.  It was a blatant dog-and-pony show, and our players are smart enough to know it.  The refs had been giving OSU everything all fucking game, and that was the straw that broke the defense's back.  I predicted the very next play would be the game-ending TD because they had nothing left.  Not in terms of S&C, but that they'd been fucked over by the refs one too many times.  It's very, very hard for a young man to believe in a world that's at least fair between the white lines and then have an institution go, "Fuck you and all the work you put in; we're taking this from you and there's nothing you can do."  Can you keep fighting after that?  Do you bust your ass at a thankless 9-to-5 with infinite hope and sunshine and rainbows, or are you like the rest of us and just put your head down and fill out those TPS reports while counting the hours until you're allowed to start drinking?

The defense I saw on the last play of the regular season didn't look gassed; they looked broken.  They looked like they no longer knew what they were allowed to do.

dragonchild

December 15th, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^

"Brain in a cage" doesn't adequately sum up the agony.  When I'm around them the last thing on my mind is football.

Your comment in and of itself worsens the stigma, like mental illness is a joke.  So, fuck you very much for being an asshole, whatever, but also fuck you very much ten times over for being a hypocritical one.  While you're at it why not start a thread about puns for Newsome's trashed leg because apparently others' excrutiating suffering is just golly gee yee-ha hilarious to you.

Ignorant sociopathic redneck gonna derp, and thinks he's funny because he thinks everyone else is just as stupid.

dragonchild

December 15th, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^

When's the last time you saw a jackass read a comment and go, "Wow, gosh, I had it all wrong?"  Dude thinks he's hilarious.  Are you seriously saying he'd be any different if only I was polite?  What about his manners?  I'm going to call it out for the record and move on.  Wasting courtesy would be the less sane option.

And if I'm crazy, what, as if anyone here gives a shit?  I get hit by a truck tomorrow and I'm sure trueblueintexas would have a thoroughly amusing joke to say about it.  Let's not pretend anyone here would otherwise care.

You Only Live Twice

December 15th, 2016 at 3:11 PM ^

I found all your comments insightful, starting with your lead post about the real effect of crappy reffing and what that does to anyone, never mind being young, to anyone stuck in a totally unfair situation.  Texas comes off as smug, which will happen on the boards cause people think they are humorous or because they are unfamiliar with what you're describing - probably both.

Comments like yours Dragon child are what makes me click the threads to read content, and you contribute content, so don't let a random poster taking potshots now and then, get in your way.   

Rabbit21

December 15th, 2016 at 4:22 PM ^

All that said, it was an off the top rope response to an innocuous comment that really had nothing to do with mental illness, as people get counseling for all kinds of different reasons and trueblueintexas' replay was a damn joke that was funny and was didn't seem mean-spirited.  

I thought Dragon's original post was good, but the responses were un-necessary and overwrought and fed right into the jokes trueblueintexas was making.

trueblueintexas

December 15th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^

I could respond with all of the ways in which mental illness has surrounded and impacted my life. 

I could respond with how I know some people affected with it choose to deal with it.

I could respond with a giant apology.

I could respond with a really mean and cutting response because I don't know you. 

I could respond...

I could respond...

I could respond...

The fact is, you chose to respond your way, I chose to respond mine. The difference is that you have made judgements about who, what, and how I am and I'm letting you be you without passing judgement. Have a Merry Commitmas and Happy New Year.

jmblue

December 15th, 2016 at 3:37 PM ^

The spot itself was close, but when they gave OSU the first down I knew it was over. Not because the call itself, but the trend up to that point and the time it took for them to "confirm" the ruling on the field. It was a blatant dog-and-pony show, and our players are smart enough to know it.
They actually didn't confirm the ruling on the field; it was a "ruling on the field stands" decision. (Which means that they really couldn't tell either way.)