Spring Roster Overanalysis 2013

Submitted by Brian on March 18th, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I can't believe no entry in this series has previously embedded this youtube video. I endeavor to correct this oversight now:

In this spirit, we proceed.

THING: Boy, is it depressing to delete Denard Robinson from your spreadsheet here. On the other hand, not deleting Taylor Lewan.

QUARTERBACK
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Devin Gardner -- 210 205 206 210 -- -5 1 4
Russell Bellomy -- -- 189 201 213 -- -- 12 12
Running Back
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Fitzgerald Toussaint 185 200 195 203 200 15 -5 8 -3
Thomas Rawls -- -- 219 217 217 -- -- -2 0
Justice Hayes -- -- 176 183 190 -- -- 7 7
Dennis Norfleet -- -- -- 170 168 -- -- -- -2
Drake Johnson -- -- -- 203 212 -- -- -- 9
Sione Houma -- -- -- 221 229 -- -- -- 8
WIDE RECEIVER
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Jeremy Gallon 165 180 185 186 187 15 5 1 1
Drew Dileo -- 172 172 180 177 -- 0 8 -3
Amarah Darboh -- -- -- 218 213 -- -- -- -5
Jehu Chesson -- -- -- 183 193 -- -- -- 10
TIGHT END
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Jordan Paskortz -- -- 246 ? 251 -- -- ? 5
AJ Williams -- -- -- 282 265 -- -- -- -17
Devin Funchess -- -- -- 225 228 -- -- -- 3
Jake Butt -- -- -- -- 231 -- -- -- 0
OFFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Michael Schofield 268 293 299 302 303 25 6 3 1
Taylor Lewan 268 294 302 308 308 26 8 6 0
Chris Bryant -- -- 341 320 325 -- -- -21 5
Jack Miller -- -- 263 287 291 -- -- 24 4
Blake Bars -- -- -- 282 284 -- -- -- 2
Ben Braden -- -- -- 299 314 -- -- -- 15
Kyle Kalis -- -- -- 292 297 -- -- -- 5
Erik Magnuson -- -- -- 290 286 -- -- -- -4
Kyle Bosch -- -- -- -- 307 -- -- -- --
Logan Tuley-Tillman -- -- -- -- 285 -- -- -- --
DEFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Quinton Washington 325 315 302 299 305 -10 -13 -3 6
Jibreel Black -- 265 260 276 276 N/A -5 16 0
Richard Ash -- 320 301 301 316 N/A -19 0 15
Frank Clark -- -- 228 260 277 -- -- 32 17
Keith Heitzman -- -- 251 ? 277 -- -- ? 26
Brennen Beyer -- -- 225 252 254 -- -- 27 2
Matt Godin -- -- -- 270 277 -- -- -- 7
Willie Henry -- -- -- 302 306 -- -- -- 4
Ondre Pipkins -- -- -- 337 308 -- -- -- -29
Tom Strobel -- -- -- 250 262 -- -- -- 12
Chris Wormley -- -- -- 268 290 -- -- -- 22
Mario Ojemudia -- -- -- 223 244 -- -- -- 21
Taco Charlton -- -- -- -- 265 -- -- -- N/A
LINEBACKER
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Cameron Gordon 208 207 222 235 233 -1 15 13 -2
Mike Jones 203 208 224 ? 223 5 16 ? -1
Jake Ryan -- 225 230 242 241 N/A 5 12 -1
Antonio Poole -- -- 212 ? 218 -- -- ? 6
Desmond Morgan -- -- 220 230 227 -- -- 10 -3
Royce Jenkins-Stone -- -- -- 206 215 -- -- -- 9
James Ross -- -- -- 225 223 -- -- -- -2
Kaleb Ringer -- -- -- 225 236 -- -- -- 11
Joe Bolden -- -- -- 230 222 -- -- -- -8
CORNERBACK
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Courtney Avery -- 174 173 173 174 -- -1 0 1
Raymon Taylor -- -- 169 183 186 -- -- 14 3
Delonte Hollowell -- -- 164 177 175 -- -- 13 -2
Blake Countess -- -- 176 182 181 -- -- 6 -1
Terry Richardson -- -- -- 154 162 -- -- -- 8
Ross Douglas -- -- -- -- 176 -- -- -- 0
SAFETY
Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Josh Furman -- 208 208 204 197 -- 0 -4 -7
Marvin Robinson -- 203 200 201 202 -- -3 1 1
Thomas Gordon 205 205 208 209 208 0 3 1 -1
Jarrod Wilson -- -- -- 190 196 -- -- -- 6
Jeremy Clark -- -- -- 191 201 -- -- -- 10
Allen Gant -- -- -- 196 203 -- -- -- 7
Dymonte Thomas -- -- -- -- 187 -- -- -- 0

ITEMS OF INTEREST

    Remember, all weight gain or loss is good.
  • Ondre Pipkins dumped 29 pounds over the course of a few months, which should bode well for his playing time. Competing at the three-tech? Yeah, possible.
  • Elsewhere on the defensive line it's mostly BEEFCAKE, with Chris Wormley up to a hello-three-tech 290, Frank Clark up to 277, Mario Ojemudia up to 244, and Keith Heitzman scaling up to 277 after not having a spring weight last year.
  • Guys who did not move significantly are Quinton Washington (after three years of dropping, a few added pounds at 300 are probably good), Jibreel Black (probably not so good if he is a 276-pound DT), and Brennen Beyer (possibly good or bad or something). Surely there will be better options than a 276-pound three tech; I bet Black moves to SDE to compete with Heitzman. Meanwhile, Clark is now listed at exactly the same weight as those guys, blowing past classmate and WDE competitor Beyer. Most have pegged that as a platoon in which Beyer executes the run defense and Clark gets to the QB; could Clark take over the role full-time? He'll have to be a lot more responsible.
  • If Beyer can't continue adding weight a move back to SAM might make sense. This has been your Brian Wonders About Moving Someone To SAM moment.
  • Taco Charlton entering at 265 means he has a shot to blow past everyone at WDE as well. Likely? No, but despite the apparent depth at that position don't put him in the autoredshirt category.
  • The tight ends are not exactly hulking up. It makes sense that AJ Williams would shed some weight as he transitions back from offensive line to TE, and 265 is a reasonable weight for an in-line blocking TE. Devin Funchess adding three pounds is not ideal unless he's really just a wide receiver with a little blocking to do. Jake Butt showing up at 231 isn't a huge surprise—he weighed in at exactly that number for the Army game—but may indicate he, too, is not going to be much use as a blocker in year one. Redshirt? Probably not since there are no other scholarship TEs on the roster and Kwiatkowski graduated.
  • Jehu Chesson and Amarah Darboh are meeting in the middle. For non-lineman bodies ten pounds is a relatively big change. See also beanpole safety Jeremy Clark.
  • Dennis Norfleet losing two pounds isn't a huge surprise since guys that size usually stay exactly that size.
  • Relatively flat OL numbers are generally good news since they indicate radical overhauls are not necessary for player X to see the field. See Lewan and Schofield above. Chris Bryant is a clear exception since 325 is tough to play at and his injury makes it difficult for him to do a lot of the things Michigan would like him to. Meanwhile, size concerns about Jack Miller are probably minor. 291 is well within plausible.
  • I'd be surprised if Blake Bars can overtake Ben Braden, who is 30 pounds heavier. Magnuson and Bars going nowhere in year one is a slight concern.
  • Chattering about Kyle Bosch being ready to play this fall is reinforced by his 307 pounds. Logan Tuley-Tillman at 285 brings this whole exercise into question since that almost has to be fiction. The other option is that LTT is going to be a rich man when he shares his diet secrets. If he really is 285, that would be very good news since his star rose and fell based on his weight when he was a recruit. He seemed like a boom or bust type because of that. I'll ask Ace, who saw him in person with some frequency, to evaluate the plausibility of that weight after the spring game.
  • James Ross, man, you're supposed to get bigger. Also you, Joe Bolden. All linebackers not named Ringer have been on a diet.

We will do this again in fall, because we are strange.

Comments

dinsdale613

March 18th, 2013 at 3:18 PM ^

No.  First of all, a lineman doesnt have to be over 300 pounds to be affective.  Also, he's a Freshman in college.  It takes time for these guys to develop their bodies properly.

I think one of the biggest drawbacks in this era of relentless recruiting following is that fans get unreaslistic expectations of players.  Like, since Kalis was a five star, he must be ready to contribute immediatly and his body must be pro-ready immediatly

redhousewolverine

March 18th, 2013 at 8:00 PM ^

As RS freshman, they might be losing a lot of weight due to the greater demands of college program cardio workouts and then putting it back on with the weightlifting. We would really need to see the incremental weight gains on a more consistent basis than once every spring and fall, especially considerinhg that the coaches probably have a significant incentive to fudge the numbers a bit. If he is still 297 come next year then maybe that would be a concern, but plenty of really good Olinemen can and do play at that weight. Be more concerned if the coaches are wondering about playing a true freshman or walkon over him.

cigol

March 18th, 2013 at 3:34 PM ^

I understand the freshmen OLs dropping a small child of fat, adding a small child of muscle and coming out around even 9 months after getting on campus.  

Nevertheless....the already lean linebackers not adding weight is pretty weird.

CooperLily21

March 18th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

The drastic change between weightlifting and eating during high school and college is tremendous.  I remember thinking I was pretty hardcore in high school only to find out that I was a chump when I got to college.  And I didn't even play a college sport!  Its pretty amazing to see what the freshman do to their bodies in just 1 year's time.

Michael Scarn

March 18th, 2013 at 3:54 PM ^

A couple things:

1. In my opinion, Beyer possibly going to SAM would basically be resigning him to the bench. I just don't see the necessary athleticism, especially given the recent LB hauls. If he gets pulled for passing downs as an end as is, I can't imagine playing in space would go much better.

Blue In NC

March 18th, 2013 at 4:05 PM ^

Agreed and I don't really understand the negative comment about him not gaining weight.  Yes, ideally a guy gains weight but Beyer was decent against the run, less so rushing the QB.  So do we really want him heavier?  I think I want him around the same weight, shedding some fast and gaining a bit of muscle.  That could make him more athletic and more of a factor, no?  Unless people were anticipating a move to SDE?

Blue In NC

March 18th, 2013 at 4:58 PM ^

The impression that I had was that if Ryan and Gordon were both going to play, Ryan would probably move down to WDE on passing downs.  If so, then moving Beyer to SAM doesn't really help much.  If one of Ryan or Gordon gets tired or hurt and Beyer were going to play, they would probably just leave Beyer at WDE and put either of Ryan/Gordon at SAM.  So I am not sure moving him helps depth really.  And then you are moving him to a position with two playmakers so he his even less chance of playing.  Again, I am probably missing something here.

redhousewolverine

March 18th, 2013 at 8:31 PM ^

Then Ryan is playing the entire game--Gordon would be subbed out by Bolden, Morgan, or Ross. That means no rest which is not good. Beyer could back him up on 1st or second downs--the more likely running plays--and that would allow Ryan to play a lot and always be on the field on third down. I don't have any knowledge on the switch or playing both but if they did play both as starters then they need someone to rest Ryan.

Michael Scarn

March 18th, 2013 at 10:12 PM ^

Indeed they do - I was sitting on a plane and stewardesses don't understand the importance of spring roster weight analysis.  

Here's my number 2:

2. Another factor to consider in managing expectations and gleaning information from this is that it's only been a few short months since the season ended, but its been much longer since the 2012 weights were posted (assuming this is drawn from the fall roster and nothing was updated for the bowl game).  So, the change might actually be greater (or less) than what's showing up given that players sometimes lose weight through the grind of the season.  So while the linebacker lack of changes might be concerning, maybe they've already put back 5-6 pounds they lost during the season, and the bigger gains will come this summer.  

Think I had something else to say but have since forgotten.  

turtleboy

March 18th, 2013 at 4:12 PM ^

I think Bars and Magnuson aren't in a bad place with their weight. The rougly 285 they're at right now is likely way different weight than the 285 they arrived at. They have plenty of time to gain rest of the 20 pounds they'll graduate with, but I suspect they'll get the first 10 by the end of this year.

JeepinBen

March 18th, 2013 at 4:26 PM ^

Didn't he cut his flow? there's a few lbs. Also, he lost the 8 lbs to mess with people on the internet, as this fall he will now gain 12 lbs (net change of 4) so that we can all be excited with how much weight he gained over the summer.

/s

But really, the fall playing weights matter more than the spring.

Space Coyote

March 18th, 2013 at 4:26 PM ^

They are trying to get them quicker. Most likely they are shedding fat right now and may [read: should/will] bulk up a bit by Fall. Many teams (look at Alabama's roster) are playing their LBs between 230 and 245. My guess is that the fall rosters will have Ross and Bolden around 230 as they focus more on weight/muscle gain and get away from bad wieght loss (FWIW, this team could use more team speed at LB from last year, the freshmen provide that a bit, but more speed is probably the correct direction).

I could see Frank Clark moving to SDE. This could be used in an effort to get him to play a little more soundly (clearly he has struggled grasping the coaching, so putting a SAM outside of him may force his hand a bit more and not tempt him to bow outside so much) and to get a bit more pass rush on the field. As far as Beyer goes, he isn't doing too bad. 260 would probably be a decent weight for him to play at.I expect to start seeing WDE drop more as SAM and WDE become more and more interchangable and WDE starts playing stand up more (thought there will still be a fairly clear difference between the two positions). Black I think moves back to the 5-tech more often than not, which is his more natural position. So his weight should probably be fine.

You now have Beyer, Ojemudia, and Strobel at WDE, along with Taco. Clark, Heitzman, and Black at SDE. Godin, Wormly, Henry at 3-tech (could play some of the 5-tech here on passing downs). Washington, Pipkins, and Ash at Nose. This team needs to get a better pass rush on the field, so playing ~260 WDE and ~280 SDE is probably the right move. The message this off-season appears fairly clear: we need more speed on the field.

JeepinBen

March 18th, 2013 at 4:30 PM ^

What's our "best 11" for various plays? Mattison sure isn't shy about substituting various packages out there, and it wouldn't surprise me to have a few different personnell groups on the DL.

It wouldn't surprise me to have a DL of Mario/Black/Clark/Ryan on passing downs in the nickel/dime group, or even something like Clark/Pipkins/Washington/Wormley against spread teams in running situations.

 

Magnus

March 18th, 2013 at 6:16 PM ^

Regarding Frank Clark, I don't know if it would be good to move him to SDE.  Because of the type of blocks he would take on at SDE, I think his lack of technique/discipline would hurt him even more.  Furthermore, I think his biggest issue at WDE is losing contain on the QB because he bites so hard inside on the zone read/inverted veer, rather than biting outside.  With Beyer as a guy who's athletically limited but more fundamental, I think it would make more sense to bulk Beyer up at SDE and keep Clark at WDE.

Space Coyote

March 18th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^

But there is no reason for a WDE like Clark (at his height) to weigh that much. I do think they want to get a bit more athletic at the SDE. As a SDE, he probably wouldn't be the read guy against zone option teams as often (EMLOS would be SAM and WDE, unless Michigan isn't in their base, but that's being read less often than WDE would be).

Switching to SDE may allow him to focus more on technique and cut down on the decisions he has to make. But, again, this is trying to find a conclusion for why he has put on that much weight.

inthebluelot

March 18th, 2013 at 4:38 PM ^

I noticed he looked markedly thicker in the spring practice video a few days ago... guess it's legit, which is good, as he looked like a high school freshman last year.  Quick transformation IMHO.

Blue boy johnson

March 18th, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

I think Brian is using a roster from the bowl game or maybe from spring of 2012 because many of his weights listed don't correspond with the Mgoblue 2012 football roster.

Brian is however, using the Mgoblue 2013 spring roster as listed on their website. It's a little confusing but I can deal with it.

Wbolin999

March 18th, 2013 at 4:46 PM ^

Kalis may not be at 300, but he is cut for an OL. Very little bad weight, all muscle. The LTT news is amazing, add a redshirt year on top of that which he desparately needs. In a couple years, he could be a force.

Wbolin999

March 18th, 2013 at 4:48 PM ^

According to DG, he is up 8 pounds from the start of winter workouts , so I'm not sure how entirely accurate all these updated heights/weights are.