Spring Football Bits: Prove to Me that You’re Divine Comment Count

Seth April 10th, 2018 at 4:33 PM

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you can’t throw a rock at Schembechler Hall without hitting someone talking up Bush and Dwumfour [Patrick Barron]

We got a lot of good stuff from over the weekend so let’s do another one of these. Depending on what’s leaking the rest of the week I may or may not get another out before the spring game, so I’ll try to make this one pretty comprehensive.

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Quarterback

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Do you know what people say you are? [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Hosanna, hey-sanna, sanna sanna ho, sanna hey, sanna ho, sanna!

What we’re hearing: Multiple practice observers believe Patterson is well ahead of the other two, and the gap between him and Peters/McCaffrey is about equal to the gap between those two right now and where they were last year.

First the scouting. Harbaugh on his podcast said Shea Patterson has the best release and that he really shines when going off-script. Insiders are spitting out super-foobally platitudes: He’s “a leader.” He “makes plays.” That jives with his seat-of-the-pants film at Ole Miss and the general “Tate Forcier Except Goes to Class” impression we got from that. The insiders are way more bullish. The “he’s a leader” thing got emphasized by all three of my “SOURCES”, with one saying he’s probably the best offensive juice guy Michigan’s had since Harbaugh got here.

Brandon Peters throws the best ball, which is again something we knew. The biggest mover is Dylan McCaffrey, last year’s scout team player of the year, who benefited the most from Herbert in the offseason, and who gets rave reviews about his pocket command.

As for eligibility, Brian discussed it depth earlier this afternoon. The short version is it’s no surprise that Ole Miss opposed these waivers because the only way to avoid significant sanctions is casting Ohio State* and beating the NCAA’s wisdom throw.

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What it means: The first episode of the Amazon thing was a good reminder that nobody outside of the quarterback room knows the real status of the quarterback battle, so this is guesswork based on lay observations. But nothing can be done to stop the shouting; if every tongue were stilled the noise would still continue—the rocks and stone themselves would start to sing. Unless the NCAA (and again, we’re talking about the NCAA, not some group of responsible, potty-trained adults) buys Ole Miss’s innocence act, Patterson is your presumptive starter. For now.

There’s another clue that this is where the coaches are leaning: one of the points insiders made about is Pep is putting more emphasis on scramble drills. We all noticed last year how, with the notable exception of Grant Perry, Michigan’s receivers would end up standing around after running their routes instead of working back to the QB. If there’s a greater emphasis for the QBs on checking down and improvisation, and a greater emphasis for the WRs on providing those outlets, that kinda sounds like they’re shaping the offense to Shea’s strengths.

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[After THE JUMP: My two offensive lines theory, did you hear about Dwumfour?]

Offensive Line

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a Stueber has appeared [Brandon Justice]

What we want to hear: See, now I’m afraid if I tell you you’ll just say it.

What we’re hearing: I said last week that the Herbert Effect is noticeable, and this week there’s enough of that to make a “more physical” drinking game out of Michigan pressers. Most every individual is mentioned positively.

The inside now seems to be down to one battle. Ruiz and Bredeson are Michigan’s best two linemen, while Onwenu is still just barely holding off Spanellis for right guard.

The outside has little separation between the ones—Juwann Bushell-Beatty and Jon Runyan—and three redshirt freshmen: James Hudson, Chuck Filiaga, and Andrew Stueber. Depending who you ask Hudson or Stueber is the most likely to push JBB out of the left tackle spot and Runyan out of the starting five: “Warinner likes Stuebs,” “Hudson is Michigan’s next NFL left tackle.” Filiaga might be as good as those guys but appears to be among the runny-but-assy-at-passy-blocky types. Everyone agrees JBB is currently the best OT right now, and everyone agrees the battles will extend well into fall camp.

Ulizio remains a ghost.

What it means: I’m going to present my theory here but it’s a crackpot one, and it’s highly likely I’m reading too far into reports that tell us less than we think.

Anyway I think the pickle Michigan’s in with the offensive line is they have some guys who can mash who aren’t capable pass blockers, and some capable pass blockers who can’t mash. That would explain why they’re winning reps but three spots are still up in the air.

There is a likely offensive line configuration that can run power-O (“Drake” they called it last year I think) pretty well. That is JBB-Bredeson-Ruiz-Onwenu-Filiaga. Line that up against an undersized defensive line and it’s the Minnesota game again. The problem is that line can’t pass pro.

If keeping the quarterback upright so he can win some games against decent defenses is the goal, your line is ???-Bredeson-Ruiz-Spanellis-Runyan, where ??? is which ever RS freshman can keep the quarterback clean.

That could be Stueber, with James Hudson giving you a shot at cake and eating cake. Maybe Filiaga does too. The redshirt freshmen are what’s probably holding the coaches back from picking a style and rolling with it. If, say, Hudson pops, or Stueber is consistent enough that they can trust him at left tackle and move JBB back to right, that whittles down the conversation to a single position battle. If none of those things happen soon enough they’ll have to go into the season with JBB at the blindside, despite how that’s gone previously.

Remember though, it’s super rare for a second-year left tackle to be that good—Taylor Lewan spent most of his RS freshman year behind Mark Huyge, QED. The list outside of Michigan are five-star freaks born with left tackle bodies, and Michigan failed to reel in any of the few they’ve had a shot at. The list at Michigan is Jake Long, Grant Newsome, and Jeff Backus. The first overall pick, a literal genius, and a 15-year NFL starter. Not saying Michigan doesn’t have another of those guys; I’m saying it’s rare.

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Running Back & Fullback

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cut. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: BESIDES Higdon and Evans…

What we’re hearing: Higdon 1, Evans 2, and though the offensive line (and Indiana-Rutgers-Minnesota-Maryland) didn’t get enough credit for the Higdon segment of the Amazon show, Michigan feels like they’ve got two of the best backs in the conference.

The battle for third—and with 35-40 carries a game they definitely need a Ty Isaac—rages on. Sam interviewed JayHarbs recently and got us a checkmark for the MGo-O’Maury Samuels scout:

There’s a big difference between being short and being small. He’s rocked up, super quick, great long speed, so if he does get an opportunity to bounce a ball or break one he’s going to be tough to catch.

His growth has been tremendous. I think transitioning last year high school to college he’s grown a lot more comfortable just feeling the defense, feeling the runs, making the appropriate cuts, not being in a hurry. A lot of times super fast guys can have a harder time being patient; he doesn’t struggle with that at all.

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I think he’s a very tentative leader for the third back out of a group that includes Kareem Walker and Kurt Taylor—Tru Wilson and Joe Hewlett were mentioned a little after. That can change by the day and insiders think that means there’s room for at least one of the freshmen to contribute this year. The staff thinks they were all critically underrated by the services, especially Michael Barrett, who could be a Chris Evans type guy as soon as this fall. 

Ben Mason violent metaphor of the week: My new feature this week is I’m going to start Google image searching these and rating them based on the % of pics in the first two rows that seem dangerous. This week’s Ben Mason metaphor is “Bruising man-crusher.”

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So 30%, but I’ll hear your Last Jedi arguments in the comments.

The bad news Mason tore his meniscus this week. That probably puts an end to the two-way talk and unfortunately ruins our bloodsport. The good news is he’ll be back by fall:

"As spring ball was going, he complained a little bit about his knee. His knee just didn't feel right," Harbaugh mentioned regarding the injury. "It'd be better to go in and have surgery on the (meniscus) tear than to keep playing on it," Harbaugh said. "So, he's going to get a meniscus surgery."

Right now, Mason is expected to miss six weeks, meaning he would be back well within time for the 2018 season in September.

What it means: If you watched the Amazon thing and didn’t get excited for Karan and Chris again you’re probably still gazing at Mike Weber’s stars and can’t be helped. Mason will be fine, VanSumeren will probably be his backup, but now’s a good time to see if they can find another backup among Ice Sculpture, Bruised Toe, and whatever clawed that dude’s arm.

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Wide Receivers

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[Barron]

What we want to hear: Huge leaps, more huge leaps.

What we’re hearing: Roundtree is playing a big role in the position coaching, though McElwain is very much involved. My read on the offensive staff is Harbaugh and Pep are the Bo (design, direction) and Hanlon (coordination execution), with McElwain drawing passing coordinator duties and Warinner taking over Drevno’s running game duties.

Anyway nothing’s changed from last time except Tarik Black is now healthy and back where he should’ve been if last year wasn’t a wash. That was good enough to be Michigan’s best receiver last year but Donovan Peoples-Jones was coming from further behind on route running and has made more progress. Those two are getting the most mention and I believe are the starters, with DPJ leading. After that I don’t know where Nico Collins is relative to Crawford and Schoenle because the latter two don’t get mentioned. It could be they’ll battle all year again, or that it’ll be a situational thing.

Slot is still treated like its own position. Grant Perry is dealing with an injury, but they say Oliver Martin now has a good shot of occupying that position when Perry returns.

What it means: Okay I’m not going to fight it. If an NFL beat writer out there wants to get a jump on some 2024 content, “Four of the NFL’s most productive wide receivers were all in the same recruiting class AT THE SAME SCHOOL!” is sure to generate clicks from humans and robot overlords alike.

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Tight Ends

What we want to hear: The TEs were such a big part of the passing game last year—and with Butt before that—it’s not like practice chatter is going to change opinions. Only thing I really wanted out of spring was progress in blocking—a thing they say about tight ends every year anyway—and that Tyrone Wheatley Jr. was really coming on, but he’s hurt. I guess gimme some Moore love and Eubanks hype.

What we’re hearing: TE coach Sherrone Moore talked to Ira this week and had a press conference today. Things from that: Wheatley was having a good offseason before his injury. Eubanks missed part of last year with injury but he’s going to be a weapon on this team. Gentry is taking the next step, may lead the group. A lot of diversity at the position but no Jake Butt.

Via insiders they’re lining up TEs in the slot more, which is another obvious move given the receiverishness of Gentry and Eubanks. NFL offenses these days do this a lot because a big tight end who can run like a receiver is a major matchup problem for the 6’0”/210 lb safeties everyone uses these days to cover slot guys in space and whatnot. Think Tyler Eifert.

We’re not hearing much about blocking, which is weird but not yet alarming.

What it means: A dedicated TE coach is a good development for an offense that relies a lot on its tight ends. Even if they’re trying fewer TRAIN stuff in camp

The Offense in General

What we want to hear: Not losing 9 reps out of 10 to the defense anymore.

What we’re hearing: Balas posted an ITF today with a bunch of tidbits from a practice insider that echoed the meagre stuff I get. I actually saw the original email from the insider Rivals got most of that post from, and since the insider was a bit clearer I’ll just use his words:

Last comment---a yr ago---if UM offense had a successful play against our defense 1 play out of 10 it was a good practice---this yr it is closer to 5 out of 10---although I still think our defense is ahead----but nowhere compared to a yr ago

That’s particularly encouraging considering everyone thinks the defense is going to be better than last year’s.

Also in that email is a thing about how they’re running more power, less “finesse” (read: outside zone), which is to be expected since they replaced an outside zone guy—Frey—with Warinner, and that’s what Harbaugh’s run in the past, and that’s what kind of line Herbert has built at Wisconsin and Arkansas, and that’s what they recruited guys like Mike Onewenu and Cesar Ruiz to do. File under “duh.”

What it means: We didn’t ask how much they win by. I think this supports the picture we get from the position notes. Michigan returns some B+ offensive players in DPJ, Black, Higdon, Evans, Gentry, and McKeon, with Shea Patterson, Ben Mason, Oliver Martin, Nico Collins, Cesar Ruiz, Ben Bredeson, and Nick Eubanks emerging into that level. Add to that a few specialists: McDoom is worthy of a jet package, and they have enough maulers on the offensive line to put six of them out there together a few times a game.

Against weaker defenses—like the Minnesota/Maryland/Rutgers stretch last year—the power running game ought to be more than sufficient. I think what we don’t have yet is an offense that can find other ways to move the ball against defenses with the ability to play our Manball game straight up. If they’re winning half of their reps against Dr. Blitz with a platoon, that’s not enough to sustain drives against other good defenses. You have to win passing reps with the running group, or vice versa. And everyone agrees that will be a work in progress through August.

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Defensive Tackles

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They haven’t said Dwumfour can play linebacker yet but at this point I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if they did [Barron]

What we want to hear: Why are you so hype for Dwumfour really?

What we’re hearing: DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR DWUMFOUR. Also Mone and Solomon but mostly Michael “Not Just Gary’s Friend” Dwumfour. Almost every coach to stand before the media has voluntarily offered Michael Dwumfour as the guy having the best spring, who’s most improved, if they had to single out one guy who’s impressed, or what’s your favorite way to open a type of nut? Ira sat in on Harbaugh’s podcast (that should go up tonight) and got the head coach’s take on why:

  • Awful tough to block
  • Mo Hurst-like
  • It’s Michael’s time.

That’s 3-tech. Nose might be a bigger battle than we realized—the coaches aren’t just talking up Bryan Mone as a good run-stuffer; they’re saying he’s an awesome run-stuffer. Via Sam Webb, Mone has been carrying a lot more muscle and a lot less bad weight.

Also the Aubrey Solomon hype has shifted perceptively from “we want him to…” to “he’s doing…” which is a great sign.

Nothing lately on Carlo Kemp, who’s been playing SDE and DT, or Lo Marshall, who’s the backup at DT. I think that’s the end of guys they expect to be in the rotation.

What it means: Again, nose is a position that requires rotation, so having two guys with different skills is an excellent sign. The coaches are talking in terms of having two deep they can trust like in 2016, and you remember what “like in 2016” is like.

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Defensive Ends

What we want to hear: The best defensive end duo in the country’s backups are the best defensive end backups duo in the country.

What we’re hearing: Gary and Winovich are so good it’s boring, and you’re already aware of the offensive tackle situation, so we are getting more about their team leadership. Nothing new this week on the backups for now because we got all that stuff from Mattison last week. Here’s an MLive link from that which I missed earlier.

What it means: Injuries to the younger guys are probably holding back competition behind the starters, so we’ll have to wait for fall camp to see if there’s a fight for rotation spots. Kemp and Paye have already made it in. And you know about the starters.

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Linebackers

What we want to hear: Something.

What we’re hearing: Nothing. Been quiet on the LB front all of a sudden, though there was plenty last week. The insiders say it doesn’t matter because they’re all good and they’ll play in the rotation. Devin Bush Jr. could make a run at all-American. The race for McCray’s job might come down to Ross or Gil, and Singleton is going to play somewhere.

What it means: Nothing except linebacker is fine so nobody’s keying on it.

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Safety

What we want to hear: Is it Metellus or…

What we’re hearing: It’s been awhile since we got an update on this—last we heard JKP was securing the 2nd free safety spot on the depth chart and Metellus was trying to fend off a serious challenge from J’Marick Woods. Metellus was made available but we only got some stuff about leadership:

The only update recently is I think Brad Hawkins is out of that conversation for now, not for lack of upside but he’s coming from too far behind the guys who got to play there last year.

I did get something on the freshmen: if you guessed they had Sammy Faustin pegged for safety you’re now 2/2 on a “Guess where they put the long and limby DB recruits” trivia, with three questions to go.

Also Khaleke Hudson is ripped and ready for a breakout year.

What it means: Probably fine.

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Cornerbacks

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What do you call something that’s longer than Long
with more vert than Vert? [Fuller]

What we want to hear: More good things about the starters and a certain challenger

What we’re hearing: Sure, that. Sam got into the CBs a bit on his show a few days ago and shared that David Long has improved the most but Hill is a dog, and starting to do Jourdan Lewis things beyond the “he looks like Jourdan Lewis out there” things. Practice insiders agree but add that Ambry Thomas looks to have moved up from a battle with Watson to siphoning first team snaps. “Neither starter can relax.”

What it means: Ambry is a bigger deal than we’re crediting. You can’t get through a whole season with two corners for one, and between the comments last offseason from Zordich and the waving about effort this year I think either Hill and Long were acting like their jobs were set in stone, or perhaps the coaches just worried they thought that. Anyway a hard challenge from a borderline five star a year younger is insurance and a kick in the ass to get better, where better is taking care of that one inch that opposing quarterbacks put a ball once or twice last year (don’t tell Hill and Long you guys but they’re really good!)

Comments

Nemesis

April 10th, 2018 at 9:45 PM ^

Blue90----I wonder if practicing against one of the best defenses in the country is a good thing for our offense?

 

Getting your ass kicked daily (in the article, Seth mentions the offense winning 1 rep out of 10 against the defense) can do horrible things to your psyche.

 

You come to expect an ass kicking and are not surprised when it happens.

 

Strong competition is a very good thing.  A total ass stomping is demoralizing and counterproductive.

mgobaran

April 11th, 2018 at 9:48 AM ^

  • 2016 was just not good enough talent. Got as much as we could from those guys.
  • 2017 young
  • 2016/2017 S&C Coach not good enough molding OL bodies
  • 2016/2017 Drevno's complicated scheme
  • 2017 Guards being taught by one guy, Tackles being taught by another.
  • 2017 OL recruited to run power forced to run outside zone
  • 2016/2017(/2018?) Tackle recruiting sub par, unlucky
  • 2017 horrible a stunt pickups

Anybody else have guesses? It's definitely a combination of a lot of things. Maybe never winning reps in practice hurts confidence too. Can't practice success against live bodies, which led to more equipment work and less practice against the 1s on defense. 

Don't expect 2018 to be that much better. 2016 level pass pro, 2017 level run blocking, and 2018 level Shea Pattersoning may be enough to get our offense back to 2016 level+ the extra inch* we need to beat OSU. 

 

*JT was short, but not short enough to take the game out of the refs hands. Be better than the team across from you by a big enough margin that refs can't screw you out of victory. Tackle Curtis Samuel in the backfield on the 3rd and 10 and you don't end up with the JT play on 4th down. 

mGrowOld

April 10th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^

I think you did a fantastic job summarizing where things stand right now with the team.  I have no way of knowing if it's accurate or complete bullshit but the fact that you used not one but two biblical references gives me confidence it's the former, not the latter.

Really nice work here.   Maybe there's hope for Draftegeddon yet.

funkywolve

April 11th, 2018 at 8:45 AM ^

you are talking gross average not net average. Do you understand the difference between gross punting average and net punting average?  Gross is from the line of scrimmage to where the returner catches it.  Net is from the line of scrimmage to where the returner is tackled - ie, the line of scrimmage where UM is punting from to the new line of scrimmage where the opponent will start on offense.

IBelow is the link to the NCAA stats on how teams did last year on net punting.  

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/98/p3

There are a number of factors that can affect the net:  poor punt coverage by the punting team, poor gross punting average by the punter, not much hang time on the punt which usually means the return team isn't close to the returner when he catches it, etc.

Sambojangles

April 10th, 2018 at 4:59 PM ^

I read the whole thing looking for more Jesus Christ Superstar references and I was disappointed there were none after the jump. Anyway, thanks for the update it's always good to hear what's the buzz.

1VaBlue1

April 11th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^

If Woods benches Metellus, then he's a helluva player!  I know most here didn't like him, but Metellus started all season last year, and really had no competition.  Don Brown likes him, thought he did a great job.  Zordich sung his praises.  Only MGoBlog wanted him out, as he was the 'weak link' on the #3 defense in the entire country.

Poor guy, he don't get no love!

lhglrkwg

April 10th, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

I can't help but smile every time I hear about the new S&C coach being MUCH IMPROVED from the last one. It's always MORE PHYSICAL and focusing on SOMETHING DIFFERENT from the last guy.

Now that I've been hearing this ever since Mike Barwise came through the door, I think the impact an S&C coach actually has is usually greatly overstated

Ezeh-E

April 11th, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^

But I also want to buy into the idea that the S&C for mauling OLs will benefit ours a bit more than Tolbert, even though Tolbert also knew his stuff. Even if all other groups stay even, just a few more percentage points of strength and movement for the OL plus a simplified scheme may make the difference.

DualThreat

April 10th, 2018 at 5:04 PM ^

Win x 1,000,000

Ohio State got punished so lightly it would've made a wrist slap seem like assult.  The success they cheated to achieve via player commitments through improper benefits is STILL paying off dividends today.  Without those players, OSU would've lost more games than they did in the late 2000s, which would've net them less prominent recruits, which would've resulted in less wins in the 2010s, which would get them less recruits, etc.  Winning and recruiting is a positive feedback loop.

OSU benefitted (and is still benefiting) 1,000 fold for those infractions and had to only pay a fraction of a penalty.

I wonder how the last 2 decades would've unfolded differently if OSU hadn't cheated in the early 2000s.

 

Occam's Razor

April 11th, 2018 at 12:26 AM ^

You're acting like OSU was blatantly paying players thousands of dollars via boosters. 

They got tattoos for jerseys, rings and golden pants and their coach lied about it. Big fucking deal. If you ask me, that should be legal considering those things are, you know, the PLAYERS' property but sure lets blow it out of proportion because Michigan can't do anything on the field against them for almost 2 decades. 

I'm just pissed that OSU fires Tressel and somehow lucks into hiring Urban Fucking Meyer the one year that he decided to take off from football. 

Like how ridiculous is that? Smh. 

They could've hired ANYONE else and Michigan would have more than just 1 paltry win against them in the last 7 years. 

Seth

April 11th, 2018 at 8:27 AM ^

They got caught for the tats and lying to the NCAA to keep their stars eligible for a bowl game. They were blatantly paying players thousands of dollars via boosters. The NCAA couldn't make them on the cars but the cars were definitely a perk. There was plenty of cash too, and at least as many agents as USC. That's just the stuff that's documented publicly from the statements of agents who tried to poach players, public arrest records that show Ohio State players consistently driving dealership loaner cars, the statement Maurice Clarett made before retracting it, and Santonio Holmes. Insider stories tell more. The apartments at Ohio State that came with way more TVs and PlayStations than it says on the Manifest. And a bagman operation as deep as any SEC school. And lest this all sound nefarious most of the stories I've heard are incredibly generous and make you think why can't everyone else do this. They paid for one player's uncle at a shelter I volunteer at to move to an expensive Treatment Facility in Cleveland. They made sure a player who was injured for them his senior year was taken care of for life. And if you turned down the NFL play in Columbus one more year they made sure that would not be a bad financial decision.

The one thing Ohio State did not do was wave it in everyone's faces like Ole Miss. But I have zero doubts given the success they have had in recruiting against Alabama and Georgia and Clemson, and knowing what those schools pay players that Ohio State today is matching them. Their investigation was a complete sham, in fact the NFL had to step in and force Terrelle Pryor to testify or else they would not have had any more than what they found in the initial emails. I strongly believe players should be paid but I also know for a fact that Ohio State got away for a decade with doing so anyway when their conference competition was doing nothing remotely of the same scale, and this continues today.

Ezeh-E

April 11th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^

It's hard not to like the idea of making sure an injured player is set for life or making sure an uncle gets better treatment--I wish schools could all do this type of thing. And I assume UM has ways to at least make sure an injured player gets a leg up on connections to job interviews and such.

But the hiding it, cheating, covering up still stands. Oh and the cars and cash.

Late Bluemer

April 10th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^

My two annual Easter rituals are re-listening the original (i.e., w/ the incomparable Ian Gillan) album on Good Friday and reading Graham Greene's "The Power and the Glory".