Yah, okay, things are still getting sorted out. [Marc-Grégor Campredon]

Spring Football Bits is Leading in Fluff Comment Count

Seth April 2nd, 2019 at 12:26 PM

A lot of this built off a Don Brown presser late last week. That presser has already become infamous for Brown saying the end of last season was the greatest disappointment he's ever felt (i.e. just like everyone else with a 4-8 zipcode), and critically underrated for Brown's "hoppy toads" metaphor.

Other unit-wide themes: Brown more or less admitted he went into the Ohio State game thinking his guys could just go talent-for-talent with the Buckeyes and that was stupid (score one for #SethTakes). Also the Florida game plan unraveled when the backups they'd coached up went out and they had to go vanilla with the backups to the backups (woo I'm on a roll). He did not say Northwestern basketball imploded despite all but one MGoBloggers' preseason prediction that Vic Law and Dererk Pardon were a tournament team [UPDATE: okay, everybody thought they'd be bad; I just thought it harder] but while we're here let's just credit me for that one too.

Fortunately my bracket turned into hoppy toad droppings over the weekend, so if I tell you a lot of what follows sounds like Michigan's defense is going to be less than elite for the first time since Greg Mattison was the coordinator, well, I'm not always right.

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Defensive Tackles

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Same guy, different gap. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: The Jeter hype isn't just about winter conditioning—I dunno, he uses his hands well or something—and they're so comfortable with him that he's already locking down a starting spot.

What we're hearing: Donovan Jeter is indeed this spring's official hype magnet.

Don Brown:

Want me to go front to back? Start with this Donovan Jeter. Think we got ourselves a real inside guy.

Jim Harbaugh:

"Donovan Jeter would be the first name that I would throw out there that is someone that has made a huge jump from last year to where he’s at right now," Harbaugh said of Jeter, who sustained a knee injury earlier in his career. "Tremendous winter program and strength. He’s really figuring it out. Playing explosive."

Lorenz did a segment (starts at 6:05) on Allen Trieu's podcast, observed that Harbaugh likes to name 110 guys so pay attention to the first one, and reiterated that they're all mentioning Donovan Jeter.

As for anointing Jeter the starter, well, somehow everybody missed the fact that Carlo Kemp is now at the position we all assumed Jeter was playing (it's best if you just watch this part):

Harbaugh said on his latest podcast that Jeter is first string at three-tech. Continuing on Brown's front-to-back trip through the roster:

Young Mazi Smith is a talent. Obviously he's been here for like two days so he's not ready to go, but he's a great kid, and a hard worker, and will do a great job for us.

We also got some clarity on Ben Mason's DL position, after Brown was surprised the press knew about it. It sounds like 3-tech/5-tech tweener:

He's an animal. Really excited the coaches will let us have him, to some degree. I would say it would be against my better judgement if this guy could play on the defensive line inside. Freak of nature. He comes off the ball exceptionally well. We can play him at tight end side/defensive end, we call it the anchor. Can’t play the open side, but he can play the three and there is a lot less learning there. It's 'on your mark, get set and [clap] and they got to block you. We will see. He likes it. He’s a tough guy and he can run.

Harbaugh also said anchor/three-tech via the Attack Each Day podcast (transcribed by Isaiah Hole):

McKeon said on Friday that he hadn’t yet gone up against him, but that he came across, when on the defensive line, as a more muscular Chase Winovich. Now, Winovich currently has two pounds on Mason, and played out at end. But Mason, according to Harbaugh, has been playing on the interior defensive line. And — you could say — it’s going well.

“Havoc – he’s causing havoc!” Harbaugh said. “He’s causing havoc at the 3-technique. He’s playing running back, and playing tight end and he’s causing havoc on the D-line.”

As for depth, well, this bit is from Harbaugh last week, and it's hard not to read it like a big "Help Wanted" sign at a certain position:

What led to you guys getting Mike Danna, and are you looking for more grad transfers?

“Um…yeah, we would—we would be…if they’re like Mike Danna, sure, yeah. At that position or others, we would potentially have room for grad transfers.

What it means: I'll reiterate what I said last time and said again on the podcast: spring is for hyping up the position that you're most concerned about. Last year it was Dwumfour, who turned out to be virtually unplayable against the run, though his first step is as advertised. Right now the only available tackle besides Kemp is Jeter, so we get Jeter, and not even at the position Jeter played a little last year. It doesn't mean ignore it, but account for biashere's what information they can scrounge up and frame in such a way that you'll think everything's going to be okayand adjust accordingly.

This starts to come off as a knock on Carlo Kemp, and at 290 he's only a little small to be playing nose the Glasgow/Martin/Renes way. The thing is those guys could generate pressure AND stand up to doubles. Mone could do the latter, and that was fine, and if you don't believe a low-built smaller guy can use leverage to win the battle in the A gaps, watch any Michigan football (minus the Will Carr/Jason Horn years) from the 20th century. The question on Kemp is can he generate pressure from nose, because he couldn't at three-tech. Michigan's ability/inability to generate pressure up the middle was the difference between shutting down the JT Barrett offenses and getting eviscerated by a guy who's perfect for the Giants.

Ben Mason immediately making the most noise of any three-tech is mostly about Ben Mason and the fact that Dwumfour's out. Not that we needed much confirmation but Jeter at the position Mason is challenging says the coaches think Kemp is the best thing they have inside, and you can adjust your Jeter thoughts from there. It's still possible they can string together a functional unit with Kemp and Dwumfour backed up by Jeter, Mason, and Don Brown stuff. It's also like losing Aubrey Solomon AND the very good coach who wasn't playing him was the worst possible outcome.

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[After THE JUMP: another position-switch nobody noticed]

Defensive Ends

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They're done talking about Kwity. [Eric Upchurch]

What we want to hear: Something about Luiji beyond "So great that he can be out here on a football field." Nothing about Kwity or Hutchinson because it's too boring to say they're awesome and anyway you saw that already.

What we're hearing: Interestingly the first DE that Brown mentioned was the guy we haven't seen before:

Luiji Vilain has practiced all five practices and you know: arrows up.

He followed that with:

I don't have to tell you about Kwity Paye and Aidan Hutchinson.

And later on he remembered that one kitchen utensil that doesn't really fit the knife block, but is also way too sharp to stick with the stirring spoons and spatulas, and anyway it's so damn useful that you end up leaving it out on counter until company's over:

Oh, up front the other guy too, the swiss army knife is Uche. He's 253 pounds. He can play a lot of places, and he will. He's a fast, explosive guy.

The Shaun Nua presser was a bit awkward. Somebody had to ask three times about Kemp to get the quote he obviously needed for a Kemp leadership story, and then there were the journalists filing stories on Kwity's leadership to get to, and the first half was spent on stuff for the "I think I'm gonna like it here" number they have to write on a new coach, and left no time to talk about anything football-related.

After Don Brown said Kwity Paye had come out of his shell, Kwity Paye was made available to the media, prompting a Kwity comes out of his shell article, and a Kwity breaks out of his shell article, plus a question to Nua about Kwity breaking out of his shell. I swam through the fluff and can report back that Kwity's been yelling "pad level" at guys.

The guys down the line are getting fluff about hanging muscle:

[Welschof's] coming along extremely well. He looks like Aidan Hutchinson when they stand next to each other from a stature standpoint. He’s filling out really nicely.

Harbaugh's podcast mate Matt Dudek thought Welschof had a great practice recently. Lorenz said Aidan Hutchinson is going to be a Dude. Nua was asked about Luiji Vilain and said the sky's the limit:

Impressive. Very very athletic, very very smart. He got out there—I thought he was going to be rusty but—he's off to a great, great start.

Nua added Luiji can play anchor (strongside) or end (weakside).

What it means:  I'm sticking to what I said before re: Vilain—the timbre of the talk on him is high ceiling but a long way from it. Hutchinson and Kwity are guys, Danna arrives in fall.

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Middle Linebackers

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Different style, equally disliked by the Big Ten's most despicable elements. [Barron]

What we want to hear: Josh Ross in a sentence that out of context sounds like the plot to an '80s horror flick, and some of that sweet sweet Cam McGrone hype please.

What we're hearing: Devin Gil again.

Devin Gil might be the most improved guy—body-wise, speed-wise. He's gotten through helping this football team by being a steady eddy, classic guy that knows what to do, and he's hard to knock out of there. Well now he's playing at a high level. He should walk in and give [strength and conditioning coach ] Ben Herbert a kiss on the lips because he's helped him a lot.

Via Brown, Josh Ross isn't Devin Bush Jr. but he's "fast enough" and "mean as a rattlesnake" and "will knock the paint off your helmet." All of the linebackers are cross-training both Will (weakside LB) and Mike (middle). Brown added Cam McGrone and Jordan Anthony as guys who are going to get snaps.

What it means: Brown didn't mince words with Ross, and you know the coaches adore Devin Gil. You can read McGrone and Anthony getting mentioned together as good for Anthony or a dropback for McGrone or maybe a bit of both. I bet you they're both over the "Guy" line but nobody here is going to be a Dude.

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Viper

What we want to hear: Khaleke Hudson's level has progressed beyond his coaches' command of the English language.

What we're hearing: Brown thinks Khaleke is [bottle rocket sound] after a little too much [shake head] but also [blows dust]:

Lorenz (on his podcast) said he thinks Khaleke Hudson had a disappointing junior year and thinks Khaleke thinks so too. On their podcast father and son Harbaugh were seeing you, Jordan Glasgow:

Jim: Did you watch Jordan Glasgow at all?

Jack: Hair literally on fire.

Jim: He's become the guy we've got to take out. He plays Will backer, he plays Viper, then he's in there starting when they go to the two-Viper package.

Brown didn't mention Glasgow, but did bring up Barrett when talking about the linebackers…

Michael Barrett, who's a freshman, I'm seeing really good things from him.

…and then later when trying to think if he'd forgotten anybody he said Viper…I talked about Michael Barrett.

What it means: Khaleke Hudson is a Dude, and that was probably true starting about midway through last season. Jordan Glasgow is still out there being a Glasgow, though as the tweener with a Dude ahead of him we'll only really get to see it in the backup viper time.

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Safety and Cornerback

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A gray area (ha!) [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: New generation stepping in. [New guy] reminds us of [great DBs of recent yore].

What we're hearing: I'm going to pile the corners and safeties into one group here because we only have a Brown presser and a Metellus meeting to go on, plus a position switch to announce.

Don Brown:

If you said to me, secondary-wise, where you thought you'd be and where you are it's two different places. I thought we'd be fighting for our lives at this time. Ambry Thomas has really taken the next step—leadership-wise, being a role model for young guys. Vincent Gray is going to be a real guy. Brad Hawkins, J'Marick Woods: both vastly improved and more confident. This Josh Metellus has turned himself into a real player.

As you might expect, Brown leads off this discussion with Josh Metellus, the leading leader with leadership who leads:

"That guy that walked by (Josh Metellus) did a good job of really taking charge as we started practice today just getting the guys minds right and energy level right," he said of Metellus. "He’s been through it all. He’s had great moments, he’s been criticized in my opinion unfairly because the only guy that should get criticized is the old guy and I’ve been there and done that a lot. Life is good. I think he’s done a tremendous job.

Brown doesn't just do guys and dudes; within the Guy zone there's a dividing line for players he feels comfortable putting on the field. He said there are 16 above that line*, and one in the gray area:

I think there are a bunch of guys sitting on the fringe. Jaylen Kelly-Powell, he's playing full-time corner and doing a really good job. So he's a guy; he's just got to keep doing what he's doing.

When Brown got done they brought out Josh Metellus, who talked about leadership, but reiterated few points about the corners who are impressing:

Ambry is a hell of a leader,” Metellus said of Thomas. “Soon as the season ended and David (Long Jr.) declared (for the NFL), Ambry knew he was the next man up and just took that to the chest and said ‘alright, I’m going to be a leader, I want to be one of the guys that help get the young guys better while getting myself better.’ Ambry is out there being vocal. He’s trying to get better. He’s trying to fix things. He’s just being a hell of a football player.”

and..

Ambry's fast and he's aggressive. Sometimes being fast and aggressive can get you messed up in man a little bit, so he's got to find a when to play with the right patience, and when to be calm, but as far from that he's a hell of a football player.

As for the safeties stepping up, it's the guys you know, and they also bring leadership:

J’Marick Woods and Brad Hawkins have been doing an amazing job. I feel like they have been here as long as me they way they tell me stuff about me and what I can do better, the way they take criticism from coaches and act like real vets. I’m happy to see that because in the defensive back side, we need a lot of leaders because the stuff we do is not normal to other defenses and other offenses. Having guys come along early especially this early in the off-season is real help to guys like me, who are trying to lead the defensive backs.”

As for greener cornerbacks it's the guy Brown mentioned and one of the Greens:

Vincent Gray is doing a great job stepping up to the role. He's going to have to play. We got Gemon Green stepping up to the role.

*What it means: One man's guess at the Brown's 16 Guys (of those available right now, so no Danna, Dwumfour or Lavert) in no particular order: Kemp, Kwity, Hutchinson, Uche, Ross, Gil, McGrone, Khaleke, Glasgow, Metellus, Hawkins, Woods, Ambry, Gray, Jeter, and Jordan Anthony.

Kelly-Powell moving to cornerback means he hasn't grown into the safety role they envisioned. You saw his long speed last year when he got torched a few times, and he's not getting mentioned by anyone but that one time by Brown, so stock's down there. There's nothing about Hawkins or Woods that suggests either has been different than the guys you've seen on the field already. The job is more or less Daxton Hill's to walk into.

Ambry talk is VERY good, especially since last year's tape showed he was quite behind the starters. Michigan won't be able to rotate as much but they've got two very good cornerbacks and Gray seems like he'll be fine in that freshman Stribling role if you want to move Hill over slots.

Comments

Mgoeffoff

April 2nd, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^

What ever came of Zach Abercrumbia & Fitch?  I know he's more DT and NT, but more bodies in the middle are more bodies in the middle. 

getsome

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^

great question - they need all the DL help they can get. 

maybe he ends up at texas like his OL teammate last year?

danna was a nice recruiting victory - itd be huge if they could match with interior transfer

pz

April 2nd, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^

It is Luiji, right? I feel like I'm going crazy every time I read the other spelling. It is even wrong in the quotes which means either everyone is making the same mistake or the roster is wrong on mgoblue.

Mgoeffoff

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

I have my doubts on Gill, but they said he cut some weight, so maybe his speed has gotten better as he's improved his body composition and got thinner.  Personally, I'd rather see Ross & McGrone next to Hudson as they have higher upsides IMO.

 

Jeter is going into his junior year, was a 4-star recruit, and should have the size and strength necessary to be a good player.  Although Dwumfor is not practicing, so that may be part of it, I tend to believe the hype.  His age and recruiting profile seem to match this would be his time for an increased role.

Hail Harbo

April 2nd, 2019 at 1:16 PM ^

I refuse to be deceived yet again.  The closest fluff turned into reality was eight seasons ago when the Boys in Blue started the season by officially winning the opening game barely into the fourth quarter and then managed to outlast the decimated Scarlet Squad to bookend the season.  Ever since it has been hype and disappointment, hype and disappointment ad infinitum.  I'm 10 seasons bitten, forever shy.

Reggie Dunlop

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:02 PM ^

Ohio State was a top 5 team and defending National Champions. Harbaugh was in year one rebounding from Hoke's 5-7 with half a recruiting class and an Iowa cast-off at QB. Your expectations may have been the problem, not the team's performance.

 

mfan_in_ohio

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^

People also seem to forget that we lost Mone before that season and Ryan Glasgow down the stretch, and as a result needed an absolute miracle (and opposing coach brain fart) to beat Indiana, who gashed us so hard with Jordan Howard  that they scored too fast and gave us a chance to tie it up.  Kind of hard to stop the Urban Meyer running game with no nose tackles.  I don't know what people expected Durkin to do.  He brought out a 3-3-5 as a changeup so that our 4th string NT wouldn't have to play, but even when it was still close at halftime it was obvious that they could just run right over us.  

JonnyHintz

April 2nd, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

Winning 10 games coming off of a 5-7 season where Harbaugh had 1 month to piece together a recruiting class and scramble for a grad transfer QB (who had lost his starting job at Iowa) didn’t surpass your expectations...

You ever think maybe the problem is the fact that you don’t have realistic expectations? 

WestQuad

April 2nd, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^

Problem is that expectations rise as we win.   You win your first bunch of games well then we'd better win the national championship.    We need to win 10 games and beat OSU and MSU over 50% of the time (each not aggregate) to meet expectations. 

Though if that happens people will be bitchin that we didn't win the national championship.

Mgoeffoff

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^

While I'll be the first to admit there have been some disappointing games in there with JH, particularly the last 2 games of most seasons, 2015 outperformed expectations, 2016 was incredibly close to playoff appearance, and last season was great all the way up until OSU.  We've won 10 games in 3 of the last 4 years.  If you told me that 5 years ago I'd be happy.  Granted, I still think we need to make adjustments, but hopefully Gattis, Brown, et al. can do that.  So far, so good IMO.

J.

April 2nd, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^

Hey, what's with the 4-8 ZIP code bias?  I'm sure XM was just as upset as everybody else, and I'm guessing he's a 4-9'er. :)

Wolverine 73

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:05 PM ^

Well, that wasn’t a very inspiring synopsis.  Sure hope the offense explodes this year, sounds as if we are going to need to score a lot of points.

RAH

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:12 PM ^

I wasn't sure what Brown meant by his comments on Mason playing inside. When I first read it I thought he was saying Mason wouldn't be playing inside but when I listened to him say it I think he meant that he wouldn't have believed Mason could play inside but he really can. Consensus? 

Mongo

April 2nd, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

Yes - I listened to Brown's comments a couple of times.  Mason is showing he can play 3-Tech.  Brown indicated he can play way stronger than his listed size due to his strength and speed.  Harbaugh added Mason is "wreaking havoc" from the 3-Tech position. 

Would be great if Mason can really develop into that dude who can pass rush from up the gut.  We missed that last year without Hurst. 

Seth

April 2nd, 2019 at 8:19 PM ^

I am pretty sure Brown is saying that Mason is the size of a defensive end but seems to fit best inside at 3-tech (over a guard) because the other positions require a lot more reaction, but three Tech you can be disruptive just by exploding off the line faster than a guard can take a step.

Anchor and End take more development because those positions have edge responsibilities, get optioned, and deal with trap blocks and the like.

Mongo

April 3rd, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^

This is my take as well.  Mason will be part-time on defense and DE would take too much development time to contribute by the Fall.  We will probably see Mason as a DL specialist in certain sets where they can just line him up over a slow guard, tell him to pin his ears back and get some QB pressure.  a' la Mo Hurst

We need more Mason in games as his motor is pure leadership by example. Plus he has become our cult hero. This will just add to the intrigue if he becomes Mo Hurst like. 

michgoblue

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:38 PM ^

Reading this post, along with some of the pressers, and looking at our D roster, has me really worried.  We are going to take a step or 3 back on D.  So many question marks in the two-deep, and so little depth at some position.  We also lack any proven high-impact players (Gary, Bush, Chase, Long).

Not trying to be doom and gloom, but my hopes for the D are not high.

On the other hand, my hopes for the offense are so high that even I know that they are irrational.  Hard not to see us doing well with Tarik, DPJ, Nico and others catching passes from a senior Shea, behind what should be an above average OL (in Warinner's second season).  Aside from RB, we have returning starters at almost every position.  Add in a bit of #speedinspace and we should be really good.

Mongo

April 2nd, 2019 at 2:58 PM ^

Great summary.  Plus also listened to all the coach interviews and the following sounds like the current Spring depth chart (#1 / #2):

Defense

  • Anchor End - Hutchinson / likely Danna
  • WS End - Paye / Vilian
  • 3 Tech - Jeter / Mason
  • Nose - Kemp / Smith
  • ML - Ross / Anthony
  • WL - Gil / McGrone
  • Viper - Hudson / Glasgow
  • SAM - Uche (+ WDE as rush specialist)
  • Safeties - Metullus / Woods
  • Nickel - Hawkins
  • CBs - Thomas / Gray
  • Not participating in Spring but likely in Fall 2deep:  Dwumfour, Danna, L. Hill, D. Hill

Offense

  • QB - Shea / McCaffrey vs Milton
  • RB - Turner / Wilson
  • FB - Mason (primary short yardage guy)
  • C - Ruiz / Spanellis
  • LG - Bredesen / Filiaga
  • RG - Onwenu / Honigford
  • LT - Runyan / Hayes
  • RT - Stueber / Mayfield (battling for #1)
  • TE - McKeon / Eubanks
  • Slot - Sainristril / Schoenle
  • WRs - Black / Bell / Martin
  • Not participating in spring but likely in Fall 2deep - DPJ, Collins, Charbonnet

Edited the DE roles as Mason not likely to play Anchor given Brown's comments.

Space Coyote

April 2nd, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^

A few of my thoughts for what they're worth

Defensive Tackle

My guess is that Kemp is playing NT because NT is a harder position in Brown's defense. You can use a lighter guy at that spot and do a lot with twisting and slanting to cause havoc and command doubles (or make second level blockers wrong), and Michigan has been seeming to go more in that direction since Brown arrived (vs having a more traditional NT). 

I think both Jeter and Mason have the abilities to play roles at 3T, and actually be good in their roles, but neither are great every down fits. Jeter is going to be a RS SO, so it isn't too surprising for things to start to click and the play to get more consistent. As a guy that can be a bit interchangeable with NT, and do some stuff vs the run, he's probably can play a nice role between what Dwumfour provides and what Mason can provide.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mason could get up to the 270 range by fall and at least be viable as a penetrating, havoc raising 3T. It's a role. It's not an every down type thing. But they can roll with some packages that include him, even for run down situations with stunts and just attacking guards off the snap to open up things for blitzers behind him. At 6'2" he has the length, and he has a decent build for it, it's just going to be limited because he almost certainly won't have the technique to do a lot.

The primary issue here is there don't seem to be great every down guys. I think Kemp can be really, really solid and be a good player, a good starter, for Michigan. But Dwumfour missing spring when he really needed to elevate the edges of his game to be a full time player hurts (vs the run and to improve in the technical aspects of rushing the passer). The other depth is very young and/or were more projects that had to grow into the roles. Losing Solomon really hurts because he had the potential to be that every down guy. I think Hutch and Paye can both slide inside some on pass downs, but Brown is going to have to be smart schematically and with prep to utilize enough packages that allow players to play to their roles, and hope they don't get caught out there in bad situations.

Defensive End

The floor for this position is actually pretty high. Paye can be a very good run defender for Michigan. Hutch has a very high ceiling as well and is built well for Anchor. I think Anchor and Edge can really be interchanged with this starting group, and even with backups like Luigi. That provides a little more flexibility with what they can do. I think Paye can be a solid rusher as well, but he needs to develop more, which isn't too surprising given where he started, and really that goes for Hutch and Luigi as well. But there's a lot of potential here to go off what should be a really high floor, especially with Danna coming in as well. Again, they can play roles, bring in Uche on pass downs, move some guys inside. A lot more flexibility with this group to do a lot of things where they don't necessarily need to cover up weaknesses. I like this group, especially vs the run, but they need to develop against the pass, particularly with what probably won't be a great pass rush interior.

Not hearing much about the other younger players likely means they were not pleasant surprises and in fact, were the projects that were expected to be.

Inside LB

Bush did so many things for this defense that it will be incredibly hard to defend, but Brown has done really well with talent pretty far behind Ross. I'm a little skeptical of Gil still, but he flashed some things and was still relatively young to the position; still not a huge fan of his instincts which is where I think he gets hurt the most, but more playing time can at least help; he still has a little uptick possibility to his game that could at least make him solid. The backups have what seems to be more upside, and could probably be used for specific roles as well, and the cross-training leaves me believing there will be more rotation, specifically focused on schemes and gameplan.

Viper

When the DEs got hurt in the bowl game we saw a lot of two-Viper looks. Given that I expect this defense to be a lot more multiple in front and coverage compared to last year, I would expect more of that this year as well. Glasgow is going to get playing time, they'll use him as a second Viper, and utilize 3-down quite often because of it. That may mitigate some of the concerns with interior pass rush. It also provides another way of getting Uche on the field and can be very effective against the run when done well, especially against spread teams.

CB

Not a lot to say here. Hill is a starter when not hurt, he's all-conference caliber. Thomas is likely the second starter. Gray will play in the rotation and can allow Hill to slide into nickel CB like he did last year. JKK being in this group almost certainly isn't great for his career. He was never a viable looking CB, and it likely means he couldn't add the weight to be a legit nickel safety. Not hearing a bunch about the other younger guys isn't terribly surprising. Gray had some hype last year and there are clear leaders in front of him. They have some rotation pieces, but neither of those guys looked to be early starters, they looked more like guys that tend to grow into the program and with good technique can be good players.

Safety

Metellus is an all-conference caliber safety; he may have some limited NFL upside, but I expect him to be a very good college safety (he already was last year). I think people are too down on Woods based on limited sample. He played increasing reps toward the end of last year, obviously had some issues, but is a rangy player that can do some really nice things, I'm not surprised to see him filling out the other starting role. I think people are confusing Hawkins position. He's effectively the third safety (will rotate in to either spot) as of now, and the nickel safety, which is different than the nickel CB. I expect more nickel safety this year to help mix up some coverages and do more to combat some of the passing issues from last year. It's the way a lot of teams are going, and either of the three safeties can really fit any of the roles in a three safety system, so it isn't really a bad situation to be in.

Think Hill plays a lot of snaps when he arrives, but still wouldn't be surprised if it's more role than starter. Safety is a tough position to master, lots of communication and understanding of the scheme, particularly in Brown's defense. I'd expect him probably to slide into the nickel safety spot (which I expect to see a lot more of this year) or FS (allowing someone else to play the nickel safety spot) as a third safety to limit his role a little bit and allow him to be the athlete he is. That still may end up around 50% of the defensive snaps when you account for him slowly rotating in for other snaps and what not.

Overall

Michigan is missing some of the great all-around players that they had the past few years, but they still have the pieces to be one of the top defenses in the conference and top-10ish in the country. They probably have all-conference level players at LB, CB, and Safety, and may be able to find a couple along the DL as well. They have a lot of pieces to do a lot of different things that fit what Brown has done previously. More will have to be manufactured because of the lack of all-around players, but they have the parts to do that pretty well. Overall, I wouldn't be too down on this group. I don't think they have the ceiling of last year's group, but it doesn't mean results can't be better against certain opponents (i.e. OSU, SMU, etc), even if it means a little less domination in other situations (MSU, Nebraska). The major concern to me is depth at DT, because I still think Brown wants to play a significant amount of 4-down, and the players seem pretty limited to roles or are very young (which is typically bad for that position).

4th phase

April 2nd, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^

Curious what makes you say we will go more 3 safety as opposed to 3 corner? Is that something Brown did at BC?

From a personnel standpoint it makes a lot of sense. The 3rd and 4th safety might be better than the 3rd corner. I also agree that I don't think Dax is a day 1 starter and will more likely rotate in and have certain packages, to allow him to master subsets of the playbook and play more instinctually.

Mgoeffoff

April 2nd, 2019 at 8:20 PM ^

Don't forget that we've still got Mazi Smith & Chris Hinton, both of whom will likely see snaps on the DT rotation.  I'm never excited about freshmen having a big role, but both these guys are high level recruits and have college ready bodies.

MaizeBlueA2

April 2nd, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^

2019 Depth Chart (OFFENSE)

---QB:

  1. Shea Patterson (Sr.)
  2. Dylan McCaffrey (RS So.)
  3. Joe Milton (So.)
  4. Cade McNamara (Fr.) - redshirt

---RB:

  1. Christian Turner (RS Fr.)
  2. Tru Wilson (Sr.)
    Zach Charbonnet (Fr.)
  3. Ben VanSumeren (RS Fr.)
    Hassan Haskins (RS Fr.)
  4. Lucas Andrighetto (RS Fr.)

---FB/TE:

  1. Ben Mason (Jr.)
  2. Ben VanSumeren (RS Fr.)

---WR (X):

  1. Tarik Black (RS So.)
  2. Ronnie Bell (So.)
  3. Quintel Kent (Fr.) - redshirt

---WR (Z):

  1. Nico Collins (Jr.)
  2. Oliver Martin (RS So.)
  3. Nate Schoenle (RS Jr.)
  4. Cornelius Johnson (Fr.) - redshirt

---SLOT:

  1. Donovan Peoples-Jones (Jr.)
  2. Mike Sainristil (Fr.)
  3. Giles Jackson (Fr.)
  4. George Johnson III (Fr.) - redshirt

---TE: 

  1. Sean McKeon (Sr.)
  2. Nick Eubanks (RS Jr.)
  3. Mustapha Muhammad (RS. Fr.)
    Erick All (Fr.)
  4. Luke Schoonmaker (RS Fr.)

---LT: 

  1. Jon Runyan (5th)
  2. Ryan Hayes (RS Fr.)
  3. Greg Robinson (RS Jr.)
  4. Trevor Keegan (Fr.) - redshirt

---LG:

  1. Ben Bredeson (Sr.)
  2. Chuck Filiaga (RS Jr.)
  3. Phillip Paea (RS So.)
  4. Karson Barnhart (Fr.) - redshirt

---C:

  1. Cesar Ruiz (Jr.)
  2. Stephen Spanellis (RS Jr.)
  3. Zach Carpenter (Fr.) - redshirt

---RG:

  1. Michael Onwenu (Sr.)
  2. Andrew Vastardis (RS Jr.)
    Joel Honigford (RS So.)
  3. Nolan Rumler (Fr.) - redshirt

---RT:

  1. Andrew Stueber (RS So.)
    Jalen Mayfield (RS Fr.)
  2. Trente Jones (Fr.) - redshirt
    Jack Stewart (Fr.) - redshirt

MaizeBlueA2

April 2nd, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^

2019 Depth Chart (DEFENSE)

---DE:

  1. Kwity Paye (Jr.)
  2. Luiji Vilain (RS So.)
    Mike Danna (5th)
  3. David Ojabo (Fr.) - redshirt
    Taylor Upshaw (Fr.) - redshirt

--DT:

  1. Michael Dwumfour (RS Jr.)
  2. Donovan Jeter (RS So.)
  3. Ben Mason (Jr.)
  4. Chris Hinton (Fr.)

---NG:

  1. Carlo Kemp (Sr.)
  2. Mazi Smith (Fr.)
  3. Donovan Jeter (RS So.)
  4. Carl Myers (RS Jr.)

---ANCHOR:

  1. Aidan Hutchinson (So.)
  2. Kwity Paye (Jr.)
  3. Ron Johnson (RS Jr.)
    Julius Welschof (RS Fr.)
  4. Gabe Newburg (Fr.) - redshirt
    Mike Morris (Fr.) - redshirt

---WLB:

  1. Devin Gil (RS Jr.)
    Cam McGrone (RS Fr.)
  2. Jordan Glasgow (5th)
  3. Anthony Solomon (Fr.) - redshirt

---MLB:

  1. Josh Ross (Jr.)
  2. Jordan Anthony (RS So.)
  3. Jordan Glasgow (5th)
  4. Charles Thomas (Fr.) - redshirt

---VIPER: 

  1. Khaleke Hudson (Sr.)
  2. Jordan Glasgow (5th)
  3. Michael Barrett (RS Fr.)
  4. Joey Velazquez (Fr.) - redshirt

---SLB/RUSH: 

  1. Josh Uche (RS Jr.)

---LCB:

  1. Lavert Hill (Sr.)
  2. Vincent Gray (RS Fr.)
  3. Miles Sims (RS Fr.)
    Gemon Green (RS Fr.)

---RCB:

  1. Ambry Thomas (Jr.)
  2. Jalen Perry (Fr.)
    Jaylen Kelly-Powell (Jr.)
  3. DJ Turner II (Fr.) - redshirt

---NICKEL:

  1. Brad Hawkins (Jr.)
  2. Jaylen Kelly-Powell (Jr.)
  3. Daxton Hill (Fr.)
  4. Sammy Faustin (RS Fr.)

---FS:

  1. Josh Metellus (Sr.)
    Daxton Hill (Fr.)
  2. Jaylen Kelly-Powell (Jr.)

---SS:

  1. J'Marick Woods (Jr.)
    Josh Metellus (Sr.)
  2. German Green (RS Fr.)
    Quinten Johnson (Fr.) - redshirt