Spring Bits II: Lewan, Cox Rising Comment Count

Brian

Assorted items of possibly dubious validity that have darkened my inbox about spring practice. Are these accurate? Useful? Worth reading? Possibly not. Will at least one player who these reports suggest will be a ninja spend his career doing nothing? Yes. Will you absorb the reports voraciously anyway? Absolutely!

denard-robinson-touchdown Quarterback Fight

I'm on the record as skeptical that Denard Robinson presents a serious threat to Tate Forcier, but multiple sources here and elsewhere keep saying it looks even, or even advantage Robinson, thus far. Robinson's got a zippy arm that bests Forcier when it comes to short-range oomph and has vastly improved his accuracy. This makes him a plausible quarterback. He remains ridiculously fast, and is actually running the read option now.

Areas for improvement: throwing on the run, reading defenses—when the D deviates from its vanilla schemes Robinson has a nasty tendency to throw it directly at defenders—and pocket awareness. On long throws he still has a tendency to throw ropes that give receivers little opportunity to adjust to inaccurate balls.

There has been little chatter about Forcier, with some observers theorizing he's still dealing with the after-effects of his shoulder injury and others claiming he's totally healthy and just not progressing as fast as Robinson. That latter makes some sense, as Forcier has been exposed to high-level coaching for years. He's a lot closer to his ceiling than Robinson.

Despite all the Robinson talk, most people are hesitant to suggest he would actually start. Michigan is installing the 3-3-5 and running vanilla coverages. There's a long way to go from seeming competent in spring to being the starting quarterback. More realistic is a continued timeshare with Robinson moonlighting at other skill positions when Tate is at the helm.

Devin Gardner, meanwhile, looks like a freshman. He needs work on his mechanics, doesn't know the offense that well, and is clearly behind the two sophomores. He's running a lot of those Incredibly Surprising Quarterback Zone Stretch plays that Robinson was relegated to last year. If Denard can establish himself a viable option Gardner seems headed for a redshirt. His long term potential remains totally sweet.

Tailback

091909_UMFB vs EMU_MRM

It sounds like Mike Cox is the tentative leader at this point. He alternates punishing Minor RAGE runs with mental mistakes that undoubtedly have Rodriguez throwing his hat and saying he's dang-diddly-anged disappointed in the young man. Cox has the best combination of size and speed, and that uncanny balance he flashed during some of his garbage-time runs is no fluke. Caveat: Vincent Smith is sometimes suggested as the probable starter. Cox is entering his third year in the program so the mental mistakes may be a long term issue, unfortunately.

Michael Shaw is next in the pecking order, less likely to break a tackle than Cox but more likely to take something a long way. He's also been mentioned as a player who needs to work on the mental side of the game some.

Stephen Hopkins is getting the sort of reviews you expect him to: he is a horse, a load, a freight train, a moose, etc. He will run straight ahead until he falls over or he burrows into the wall in the endzone. If Cox doesn't establish himself as a short yardage back, the duties will likely fall to Hopkins.

Toussaint comes in for cursory "looked good" praise but it seems like he's trailing the relative veterans. White is probably redshirting.

Wideouts and Tight Ends

Hard to tell anything with Hemingway and Stokes out; in their absence Roy Roundtree is practicing outside and drawing mixed reviews. Drops are supposed to be an issue with everyone, but Roundtree gets more stick for it than others.

Mixed reviews on Darryl Stonum, with a couple reports citing his obvious physical superiority to the rest of the WRs and projecting a strong season. Again, hard to tell absent his most serious competition.

Roundtree may stick outside even after the injured return because Odoms, Gallon, and Robinson are all having strong springs. Robinson and Grady are taking a number of snaps in the backfield—think Darius Reynaud—and doing well with it. Both were high school tailbacks. Robinson and Gallon seem to have the inside track on punt returns.

Tight ends are the same as they were last year. It sounds like they're focusing more on the slots this year.

taylor-lewan-michiganOffensive Line

The interior line remains as expected: Schilling, Molk Placeholder, Omameh, with both guards coming in for regular praise and the Placeholder (Khoury, mostly) having issues snapping the ball. That's supposedly getting better.

On the outside there's been some shuffling with Dorrestein and Huyge flopping left to right at times. This may be due to Taylor Lewan's (right) quick emergence. He's been called an "obvious future star" and  "reminiscent of Jake Long."  Reports are still conflicting on his readiness but all agree that his upside is as rapturous as the recruiting gurus promised; it seems like it's matter of time before he claims the left tackle spot. That timeframe may be September or it may be next year. The most recent move suggests the move may come sooner rather than later. Flipping Huyge to the right seems to be an effort to get Michigan's best five on the field. If I had to bet, I'd go with Lewan as the starting LT against UConn.

Washington (when healthy) and Schofield have also gotten good reviews; that whole class seems to be panning out so far. Huyge and Dorrestein haven't been the subject of much chatter good or bad. With the quarterbacks focusing on shorter routes the opportunities for serious pass protection have been intermittent.

Defensive Line

Renaldo Sagesse continues to play well. Will Campbell is huge and still working on technique issues but much better both physically and mentally; it sounds like those two will be the NT platoon. I'm pretty confident they'll be a good one. That leaves Van Bergen and Martin outside with Banks and Patterson backing up. It's hard to tell how much of the praise for each of the senior backups is real, but given how Sagesse played last year I think he can hang. Patterson and Banks I don't know about.

Specific mentions of RVB have been few and far between. Banks and Patterson are getting talked up publicly but aren't drawing a ton of hype on background.

Linebackers

This comes with a "just spring" warning since he was buried all of last year, but Kenny Demens is getting a significant amount of buzz and is taking some of Ezeh's snaps with the first team. The scheme change may suit him: the Casteel-style 3-3-5 doesn't need a huge MLB, just a tough guy willing to plug his face on a guard and make the nose tackle right all the time. His speed and blitzing is a good fit for the new system. He's been laying his share of thumping hits.

Other than that, it's MOTS in the linebacking corps, with Mouton and Ezeh seeming like Mouton and Ezeh. If there have been any adjustment pains for Craig Roh they haven't made it into the wide world. He seems to be doing very well. Adding 20 pounds turns him from overmatched but promising into beast, apparently. From the inbox's lips to God's ears.

Defensive Backs

The Cam Gordon hype train continues unabated, with words like "excellent," "natural," and "seems vaguely like an actual safety" getting thrown around. (Latter praise invented by me to tamp own expectations down.) ESPN's Adam Rittenberg gets in on the act:

Safety Cameron Gordon, a converted wide receiver, drew praise from Rodriguez and several players I spoke with.

Most positive reports about receivers read "hauled in pass and was disemboweled by Gordon, but held on." Caveat: all the quarterback reports indicate that Michigan is working on short stuff incessantly, so opportunities to get dragged way out of position and give up, oh, I don't know, a third and thirty-seven conversion have been limited.

With Emilien out with another injury, Brandin Hawthorne is second-team at deep safety. Rodriguez has been wary about the lack of depth there.

Troy Woolfolk is about on par where he was last year: pretty good Big Ten corner, may have a bit more upside than that as a senior. Then there's JT Floyd. He is "vastly improved." I know. I'm skeptical, too. According to Rittenberg, Woolfolk had praise for Floyd as well.

The bad news: Justin Turner gets a universal "meh," with a couple of reports indicating that a 6'2", 210-pound corner is not likely to work out and a position move is in the cards once the quartet of freshman corners hits campus in fall. One talks up James Rogers, his teammate on the second team, in favor of him. Bleah. As of now the third string corners are walk-ons so Turner continues to labor at a position it seems he doesn't have the quicks for. With Gordon developing a death grip on deep safety, Turner's best shot at playing time in the near future may be as a spur or bandit.

111409_SPT_UM v WU_MRM As far as the hybrid SSs go: Jordan Kovacs has the weakside spot (bandit) locked down. This is no surprise for anyone who saw him play there as a freshman walk-on. That box safety thing is tailor made for him. The other side is a total mess, with Mike Williams giving way to a combination of redshirt freshman Thomas Gordon and walk-on Floyd Simmons. It's unclear whether the Williams demotion is a temporary thing due to injury (Williams is in green) or a long term move to other players, but it seems like it's closer to the latter. The Hawthorne move leaves a couple of marginal players duking it out at a spot that requires dealing with a lot of blocks. Reports have neither been positive or negative. They mostly confine themselves to who's playing where. Gordon has laid a couple pops, apparently.

I wouldn't be surprised to see someone move to the spur for fall; Carvin Johnson and Marvin Robinson will have opportunities to earn immediate starting jobs.

Kicking

With Will Hagerup not enrolled yet, there's not much you can tell about the punters. On the Huge Show yesterday Rodriguez said he was the most likely freshman to start (surprise!), so it sounds like there isn't anyone in camp threatening to make an Olesnavage-like move.

Placekicking, on the other hand, has everyone it's going to have and the initial reviews are seriously negative. Brendan Gibbons is reputed to have a big leg but questionable accuracy. Field goals have been something of a fire drill so far. Here's a terror-inducing Rodriguez quote:

"The kicking game is a concern simply because we've been inconsistent in practice. I couldn't tell you who our starting kicker is. It changes in 15 minutes. I don't know if that's going to be resolved until the fall. Brendan Gibbons has a strong leg, but he's been back and forth. Other special teams, we've got athletes, but the kicking and punting is not at the point where we feel comfortable."

Guh.

Comments

Magnus

April 8th, 2010 at 12:25 PM ^

So you chose perhaps our smallest player and you're criticizing the team size based on that? Forgive me if I'm not concerned that our slot receivers are tiny. I thought that was the point of recruiting them - they can change directions quickly and dodge tacklers. I didn't know we were supposed to be recruiting Jonathan Baldwins to play slot. "They didn't look like a top 25 program." How many top 25 programs have you seen? Maybe you're right. But the team in the spring is missing its starting WR (Hemingway), its best defensive lineman (Martin), perhaps its starting running back (Smith), and perhaps its starting safety (Emilien). Meanwhile, the incoming freshmen aren't on campus yet... Oh, and they're only about 9 practices into installing a new defense. So...yeah. It's too early.

toomer18

April 8th, 2010 at 12:35 PM ^

I've been around football my whole life, and have seen top 25 teams in person. For instance, all UM teams prior to Rich Rod. They just look small at all positions. I'm just getting more concerned these guys won't hold up in the Big Ten. I did see Mike Martin working out with one of the trainers, and he is an absolute beast.

aaamichfan

April 8th, 2010 at 2:48 PM ^

"They just look small at all positions." While I agree that they are smaller on average, I'm not sure about making a blanket statement for all positions. Willie Campbell would probably disagree with you. Remember.....the players have an entire Summer of S&C with Barwis between now and the 1st game. There is still plenty of time to add necessary weight.

WolvinLA2

April 8th, 2010 at 4:10 PM ^

I don't get this statement either. Outside of the slot positions (which, like, obvi) which position groups do you think we're smaller at (directed toward toomer)? Our DL is big with WC, MM and RVB. The Carr recruit that we lost was our smallest D lineman last year. Our linebackers are pretty big. Whether it's Obi or JB or Demens in the middle, they are all big. Roh is big for a linebacker, and not even that small for a DE. Mouton is about average sized for an LB, or Bell, whoever plays that spot. Which of our DB's are undersized compared to previous years? We don't know who will start, but we don't hardly have a DB in the team right not less than 190, and a number that are over 200 lbs. Our OL is about as big as always, only the young guys are smaller, but that's to be expected. The guys who will see the field are all 300 or close to it. The outside receivers are as big as I remember. Hemingway is big, as are all the new freshmen. Stokes and Stonum aren't huge, but are both about 190, not small for receivers. Our RB's vary in size, but they always have. Wheatley and Biakabatuka were big, but Mike Hart was small, so was Jamie Morris among others. Now we have big and small guys, pretty typical nationwide. So when you saw how small our team was, were you just looking at the walk-ons or what?

DesHow21

April 8th, 2010 at 11:55 AM ^

was ever in. Hasn't he consistently been injured since his Junior year in HS ? To be "out with an injury" don't you ever have to be "in and playing"?

BigTex

April 8th, 2010 at 11:58 AM ^

Perhaps I am just holding out hope for this scenario, but I wonder how much of the coach speak and second-hand updates (no offense to Brian) we are receiving are just playing the game to not tip our hand too much. In light of some of the instances last year where certain formations and plays were making it around the web, I wonder how much of this is being controlled to prevent that from happening again? It's still Spring and the coaching staff are still feeling things out, but I wouldn't be shocked by a continued transformation of media updates due to AD Brandon. I am realistic and know that we have our challenges...I know that RRod and staff aren't sitting on a National Championship team and just keeping it a secret. And I also realize that the coaches aren't telling the players to "tone it down" when the media are present (which would be kind of funny). However, isn't it possible that some element of surprise would be to our advantage?

michgoblue

April 8th, 2010 at 12:15 PM ^

I had the same concern - while RR and staff have praised individual players, the overall tone has been mixed - for every positive statement, there is at least one statement of concern. This may not be as bad as we fear it to be, though. After the past two seasons, imagine if RR came out and made statement like, "our guys look great, we are coming out to compete for the B10 championship." He woud look like an ass. He is simply giving vanilla factual statements about individual players and concerns. There is also something to be said for lowering expectations. Our fanbase, as a whole, has historically had very high expactations season after season. When those expactations are not met, disappointment abounds. Think of the general fanbase reaction to 9-3 seasons under Carr. (Note: definitely not looking to spark any LC v. RR related discussions, just making a point about expactations). If RR makes hyped up statements about how well all of the recruits are developing, we would have 10 MGoBoard postings within the next week asking whether it is more likely that we go 11-1 or 10-2. Given our past two years, some uncertaintly at key positions and the youth of this team, RR may just be trying to manage expactations.

Hannibal.

April 8th, 2010 at 12:59 PM ^

I would have to agree. It has been my experience that about 50% of what comes out of spring practice that sounds good is true, and about 99% of what comes out of spring practice that sounds bad is true. I'm not sure what to make of the Robinson/Forcier chatter. Forcier didn't appear to be suffering from the injury in the last four games of last year. He was still pinpoint accurate as he had been before and he threw four picks in the Ohio State game largely because the Buckeyes had some crazy good athletes who could pick off passes that nobody else in the conference could. The 4th quarter pick on the goal line when the game was 21-10 is probably a touchdown against any other team on Michigan's schedule. He may not have much more upside but to me, that's like complaining that Mike Hart didn't have any upside after his freshman year. If Forcier can get a better grip on when to not throw the ball into coverage, his upside is Shaun King/Drew Brees level. If Robinson has pulled even with him, I take that as a positive, not a negative, unless Forcier has regressed badly.

UMaD

April 8th, 2010 at 1:39 PM ^

jobs aren't won in spring and its more about getting work in. I think people are overblowing the Forcier thing. While I agree with the 50%/99% rule, we also need to remember this is spring and some people might not be fully motivated and the coaches are trying to get them there with some negative public comments.

aaamichfan

April 8th, 2010 at 3:01 PM ^

Fred Jackson suffered a broken foot at practice recently, and is now coaching in a boot. It will be 6-8 weeks until he regains his propensity for hyperbole and praise.

michgoblue

April 8th, 2010 at 12:04 PM ^

I know that it is only halfway through spring, but I seriously hope that this is not as bad as it sounds. As a young team running the spread, I would expect that we may struggle a bit in the red zone. Putting up 3 points instead of punting (or missing) will be important. Same concern goes for placekicking. With a young defense that hasn't exactly stopped anybody for oh about 2 years now, having teams start on their own 35 yard line is not something that I am looking forward to.

bronxblue

April 8th, 2010 at 12:14 PM ^

The only saving grace I can think of is that kicking is so much about rhythm and confidence that once the guy finds those elements, he can be golden for the year. Hopefully these are just the spring kinks being worked out. Otherwise, I agree that a bad kicking game may cost this team 1-2 games this year.

GoBlueInNYC

April 8th, 2010 at 1:00 PM ^

I really hope the kicking game doesn't fall apart like it did when Epstein left. I might be misremembering, but once Epstein left PATs were a crap shoot and there was a lot of going for it on 4th to avoid trying a FG. Those were scary times, and I'd just as soon not relive them. Especially with the potential team issues mentioned above.

Magnus

April 8th, 2010 at 12:35 PM ^

I'm going to announce right here that I'm lending my support for Mike Cox to be our best/starting running back in 2010. I think he has the necessary balance, power, and speed to be a very good running back. His mental errors might get in the way a bit, but I'm impressed with the way he runs the ball. If the season started today, I think the order of our running backs goes like this: 1. Cox 2. Shaw 3. Toussaint 4. Hopkins 5. (White should probably redshirt, and I think Smith might benefit from a redshirt season, too.)

Magnus

April 8th, 2010 at 12:52 PM ^

If Cox got hurt or something, I'd move Hopkins ahead of Toussaint. I think Toussaint is more of an every-down back, but Hopkins has the oomph to play in short yardage situations. Just like last year when the backup wrecking ball got the ball sparingly. I may be in the minority, but I've never been high on Smith. He's no higher than third on the depth chart, in my opinion.

Six Zero

April 8th, 2010 at 2:10 PM ^

There's really no single running back right now that I've really identified as a favorite for the job. I've certainly been excited about Toussaint since first seeing his highlight reel, and it's great to see Cox finally stepping it up after these years, but none of them have yet to really win me over like others have in the past. It feels like Hart's freshman year, where we were all like 'well, I guess Underwood's our man, and maybe Mister Simpson will step it up. Oh, and that kid from Syracuse who put such crazy numbers... somebody has to do something, right?' I guess we'll know soon enough.

wiscwood

April 8th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^

Is anyone concerned with how much informations is "leaking out" of Spring Practice? If I were any number of Michigan's rivals, I would scout the team with this knowledge. One thing Carr did that I loved was he deflected questions. Michigan controlled information. Even players watched what they said. If something got out, it was intentionally orchestrated. Don't get me wrong I like getting information to satisfy my "football jones", but is RR thinking about such things(not my jones, but scouting information. Or do I have nothing to worry about and RR is wiley as a fox?

UMaD

April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 PM ^

the dark secret that our secondary is a weak-link. Or they could just watch tape of last year and notice the best guy is gone AND note that we're going with 5 DBs instead of 4. They might go so far as to attempt a pass play with that information in their back pocket.

Doug Sir Swish Remer

April 9th, 2010 at 11:05 AM ^

Why would moving Justin Turner be intelligent? Honestly, that would be stupid as hell. Have you guys not learned anything from the last two years of secondary disaster? Moving these kids around so much is not a good idea. Justin Turner doesn't sound like he is developing very well already so why would moving him help at all? He played corner his redshirt freshmen year.

joeyb

April 8th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^

With Turner switching positions and the Strong Side SS not being held down by any one, I think he will likely move there. I also think that would be an excellent fit for him.

Doug Sir Swish Remer

April 8th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

I don't see how switching his position is going to help him right now. Didn't he practice corner all last year? Maybe it is just me but switching these kids around so much might not be a good thing?

Don

April 8th, 2010 at 1:00 PM ^

It's a time-honored ritual for virtually all coaches other than Jim Wacker. If you listened to Lou Holtshths back in the day, he'd have you convinced that his ND teams were manned by 97-lb middle-schoolers and nerdly accounting students. If RR started running his mouth about how good his team looked, then MGoBlog would be filled with outraged comments from people who attend one practice and announce that the team is too small or slow or JT Turner's a complete bust or Tate's arm is barely attached to its socket or DG's a beast and why isn't he the starter already because he's faster than Vince Young.

Bronco648

April 8th, 2010 at 1:24 PM ^

I wonder if we're going to see more tries on 4th & short as opposed to attempting a 35+ yard field goal. Then again, Hagerup isn't even in A2 yet so we have no idea what he is capable of. Also, can we start referring to Kovacs as Jordan 'F***ing' Kovacs (a la Jack Johnson & Tyler Sash) yet?