Red Berenson To Return Comment Count

Ace April 3rd, 2016 at 1:28 PM

Red will be behind the bench again in 2016-17. [Patrick Barron]

At the hockey posteason banquet, Red Berenson announced that he'll return next season. From Michigan Daily hockey beat writer Justin Meyer:

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Sextus Empiricus

April 3rd, 2016 at 6:40 PM ^

It's better to compare this to the alternative.  We don't know who would replace Red or who was considered.

I'm fine with it as long as Red is the best person to lead the team next year.  I'm not convinced he is, but let's see how this works out.  I doubt Compher and Motte are affected by this.  If they are then there's more to it  that has nothing to do with Red.

Are the players calling out Red like Hackenberg called out Franklin?  I haven't heard that.  Pundits yes - players no.  Did I miss that?


April 3rd, 2016 at 1:38 PM ^

Brian is going to be all annoyed about this but, really, he needs to take a step back from the ledge and remember the days of people freaking out about Lloyd Carr. Indeed, how did that work out?

If Michigan is serious about replacing Red then they need to do a professional grade swim lane search the same as with Harbaugh. Discount Red's coaching acumen at your peril.


April 3rd, 2016 at 1:44 PM ^

I definitely think his best years are behind him but if he announces that he's coming back for this season, his last season, I'm extremely happy. It gives us the chance to give him a proper goodbye and as you said a chance for a new AD to settle in and do a proper search.


April 3rd, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^

I'm sure you were about 5 or 7 during the years when Lloyd Carr's tenure came to an end at Michigan so the live action of the narrative of the day is probably not very real to you...just what you heard or read over time. As one who, sadly, lived in the blog era of "Michigan needs a new Carr with Les Miles" meme I would say you are miles off here. People then wanted change for change and there was a real fear of the spread Oregon teams etc. (or App State as you identify) changing the whole landscape in football. Brian was an early adopter (and still stays with this) although the lessons of a dominant pro-style Alabama take away the veracity of such claims. Harbaugh will prove this further.

I'm sure that somewhere in the SuperGuides there is documentation of Carr's consistent success at Michigan inclucing 2006 where he should have been in the MNC. I'd far rather have had more Lloyd or hell, Miles, than the reaction hire in the AD that brought on an absolutely brutal fit in RichRod. The meme that Lloyd screwed Rod is pretty tired, also.

Tires of the Lloyd blaming. 

Completely apt comparison with Red.




April 3rd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^

Agreed with everything you said except "The meme that Lloyd screwed Rod is pretty tired, also."

He was absolutely not a help to RichRod with the players or the lettermen. That's not a meme, it's just a documented fact.

Roland Deschain

April 3rd, 2016 at 8:20 PM ^

I'm okay with the majority of this. Admittedly, after App State, I absolutely wanted Lloyd gone, and I found that entire season rather disappointing (and the bowl win was salt in the wound!). Nevertheless, we really need to end the shtick that we should have somehow been in the MNC. We absolutely should not have, and the performances of both Florida and USC clearly highlight why. 2006 essentially started a near-decade long runway of the B1G being way too overrated.

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April 3rd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^

They went 9-3 that year, not exactly world beaters.

And your argument is a perfect example of why Lloyd needed to go earlier - the offense the ram the bowl game was completely different than what they ran all year and should have been what we ran all year round. But of course, Lloyd was too conservative for that.....and it cost us.

snarling wolverine

April 3rd, 2016 at 4:26 PM ^

Of course, Lloyd wanted to leave a year earlier but Martin talked him into staying.  

I don't see the comparisons between Lloyd and Red.  Lloyd was 62 when he retired, not particularly old, and he had to be persuaded to even stay on that long.  Moreover, the final years of his tenure really weren't that different from earlier on.  We went to the Rose Bowl in 2003, 2004 and 2006.  The main issue with the second half of his tenure was that OSU upgraded its coaching staff, as did USC.  If he could have kept on facing John Cooper, his OSU record would have probably remained stellar.  



April 3rd, 2016 at 5:56 PM ^

I have come to the conclusion that, as a fan, whether or not I agree with the move is inconsequential.  He's the coach for at least another year.  Manuel asked him to come back.  AFAIC, since the decision has been made, there's really nothing left to do but show support and cheer for a great year in 2016-17.

Sorry for my "fan tunnel vision," but that's the way it goes.

rob f

April 3rd, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

but also not distraught over this announcement. The decision is bound to upset many, but if it was Red's call to make, he certainly has earned the respect and the right to it.

And who knows? Maybe succession options we were hoping for aren't immediately available for hire. This gives Warde valuable time to make sure the right man IS in place when the time comes.

South Bend Wolverine

April 3rd, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

Disappointing and clearly the wrong decision.  However, if you said before we hired him that Red would bring us 2 national titles, multiple Hobey winners, and scads of conference titles, but the price to pay would be a few bleh years at the end, every single one of us would've taken the deal.  Hopefully this just means a slight delay on the start of the Mel Pearson era.


April 3rd, 2016 at 2:23 PM ^

Good bad or otherwise, I have not really heard any talk about who would replace him outside of the existing staff and I do not see a head coach there.  That means going out side Yost.  Who is out there that is a young tallented Hockey coach that we could get to come to AA to step in when Red retires?