Picture Pages: Losing Contain, Again Again Comment Count

Brian

Promised last week but Wife Day occupied the designated space.

This week's great linebacker debate is about how I'm sitting in a tree with Kenny Demens, finding reasons to posbang him that would not be reasons to posbang Ezeh or Mouton. That's not really how UFR works on defense. A three-yard run is a usually a +1 for the D, a zero-yarder +2, and a TFL +3—though it's context dependent—and I try to assign credit and blame to get to those numbers. There is wobble when the other team makes an error or there's a rock paper scissors play. If I was going to give Demens positive he didn't deserve they'd be coming off his teammates in the front seven and the only guys to suffer relative to expectations were Rotating Ineffective Nose Tackle and the Banks/Black combo.

Mouton also come in for a big minus and clucking, but I thought that was easily justified by the clips provided. If it's not here's another one. It's late in the third quarter and Iowa has third and three from the Michigan eleven. They come out in an unbalanced formation with a covered TE; Michigan responds with a 4-4:

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Iowa will run off the right tackle. At the snap Kovacs blitzes. Banks, the DE to the bottom of the screen, takes on a double team from Iowa's LG and RG; Renaldo Sagesse is getting single blocked by the center:moutong-ugh-2

A moment later Banks and Patterson have both gotten in bad situations. Sagesse is a yard downfield and sealed to the inside. Banks has managed to stick at the LOS but he's about to be effectively comboed and sealed to the inside:

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Kovacs gets picked off by the fullback. Roh's gotten a cut on the backside but Gordon is flowing behind him; RVB has gotten down the line to cut off a hole; Sagesse is getting buried by a double downfield. Mouton has set up on the Iowa RT as Banks just kind of sits there at the LOS:

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Here's an endzone angle of the last moment:

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That's a lot of grass to Mouton's right there. I wonder what he's going to do about that:

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Dios ffuuuu, man. This will be clearer on the video but this was not some crazy block by the right tackle here—Mouton fought inside of the guy, sealing himself. The sad thing is that Kenny Demens has cleared the trash from the Sagesse double and is showing up in the hole:

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If Mouton is outside the guy he's almost certain to tackle short of the first down…

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…but he's not:

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Another third-down touchdown from the ten given up by a combo of players but especially one in particular; another four points on the board because of a basic mental error from a Michigan defender. This one is ten times more frustrating than Courtney Avery's because Mouton is a fifth year senior who's been doing this his entire career, including earlier this year against UMass on another egregious play that was picture-paged.

Video:

Object lessons:

  • Either Mouton has suffered the worst kind of coaching malpractice during his career or he's just not all there. Or both, I guess. He should not be making this mistake. He has made this kind of mistake dozens of times. Maybe there's something in the scheme that makes it confusing as to when he's supposed to be the contain guy, but I don't think so. WLBs should know this as part of their DNA. There's a theory floating around that Mouton has gotten used to playing next to Ezeh and now assumes he has to do everything himself and may get all clueful now that he's playing with a linebacker that usually shows up in the right spot at the right time, but I don't think so. It doesn't matter who you're playing next to since hopping inside that tackle is guaranteed doom.
  • The defensive line didn't do the linebackers any favors… Other than some sporadic help from RVB and Roh this was par for the course. Here the NT is Sagesse instead of Patterson but the end result is similar to what happened all day: effective combo on Banks gets him passively single-blocked and gives Mouton a tackle to deal with. Combo on whoever the NT is crumples and/or seals the guy.
  • …but could this actually be something resembling okay from Sagesse? It's not good by any stretch of the imagination but the reason Demens is flowing into the gap unblocked is because the C could not pop off of Sagesse after shoving him downfield. That mess falls in a heap, meaning that the nose has taken out two blockers. I didn't plus the guy because I thought it was more luck than anything and ending a play on your knees two yards downfield doesn't seem like a strategy sustainable in the long term. I didn't minus him either because he kinda sorta just managed to do his job.
  • More good Demens play. He doesn't get blocked but because Sagesse is blown off the LOS this isn't the world's easiest scrape. He makes it and should have an opportunity to tackle if everyone else does their job. It's impossible to say whether or not Ezeh would have made the same scrape, but we've seen enough of him to know that he doesn't do it consistently. He might be standing right where he was at the snap, or he might not have the agility and recognition Demens does to get around the garbage. (FTR, Demens did not get a plus here; Mouton was –2, Banks –1.)

We don't know whether or not Demens does execute this consistently, or whether his run-fill gusto is exploitable with misdirection or play action. His Iowa game was promising, though. I'm sure he'll have some wobbly games during the second half—Iowa was not one. I repeat my stat of wonder and alarm: when Demens was on the field runs that did not pop outside contain because of mistakes by Mouton, Black, and Banks averaged under 2.5 YPC. This happened essentially without Mike Martin. Whatever problems existed with the run D had nothing to do with him.

Mouton, meanwhile, is incredibly frustrating. This year he's turned "big positive, bigger negative" into "big negative, bigger positive" but I'm not going to spend 2011 pining for him. Michigan can't and shouldn't pull him since he makes a lot of good plays; I don't think Michigan's run defense is going to suffer greatly without him.

Comments

UMaD

October 25th, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^

Thats so not the point.  I also mentioned him in discussing Stevie Brown. Doesn't mean I think they're equivalents.

I realize BG's greatness.  My point is that his ability to make huge drive-altering plays was, somehow, underappreciated by people (when they argued this year's defense would be improved).

Mouton's not on the same level overall, but is one of the few guys on this defense who have shown an ability to make huge plays.  Not as frequently as BG, obviously, but he makes them. The fact that he does should be appreciated a little more IMO.

Yard Dog

October 25th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^

I was hopeful we would see him grow as a LB with some direct coaching from GERG.  However, based on what you see here I think my hope for that is gone.  After reading the UFRs for the last couple of years, and watching Mouton make or miss plays, I get the suspicion that Mouton:  1) doesn't trust his teammates to make plays, and because of this he 2) tries to do to much in making up for their mediocrity.  I really think that if Mouton trusted his defensive mates more he would end up in a better position consistently.

 

EDIT:  Agree with TennBlue below.  Sorry, typed before I saw the comment posted.

Yooper

October 25th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

He needs to come in under control, hitting the blocker on the blocker's outside shoulder.  He either blows up the play (unlikely) or at least force the runner to the inside, where there is help, or to bounce way outside where the defense has a chance to stretch it out and hopefully make a tackle.

MightAndMainWeCheer

October 25th, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

Simply hitting the FB's outside shoulder is not enough.  The terminology above is that he is the "force" linebacker (i.e. it is his job to maintain contain and "force" the play back inside). 

By aiming for the outside shoulder, you are making it hard for the blocker to hook/pin you which would make it easy for the ballcarrier to break contain.

"Kovacs coming in too hot" (1) allows the FB to make a very easy block by making using Kovac's own momentum against him, (2) allows the RB to carry on with his path as if Kovacs wasn't even there in the first place and (3) allows the RB to bend outside to essentially break the contain that Kovacs was supposed to keep.

caup

October 25th, 2010 at 1:05 PM ^

Stand your ground. You're right about Mouton.

And yes, Demens looked good vs. Iowa.  But ever since the Johnny Thompson vs Iowa Game of 2005, where JT looked like the second coming of Ray Lewis that day (then never again), I'll withhold final judgement on KD and hope he follows it up with more good performances.

Groan

October 25th, 2010 at 1:16 PM ^

"I don't think Michigan's run defense is going to suffer greatly without him."

Yet, he is apparently the best we have to offer right now--and the question of shoddy coaching will remain after he's gone and a replacement is inserted.

Saying Michigan's run defense won't suffer without Mouton is like saying the Titanic wouldn't have sunk as fast if the passenger in room 48 would have turned his shower off before heading for the lifeboats.

Nick

October 25th, 2010 at 1:16 PM ^

was a slightly encouraging run D performance.  Im excited to see what they can do against PSU poop o-line after a mini 2-week camp.  I'd bet they spent a lot of last week getting fundamentals back down and will spend this week like a normal game week.

I think so far, our defense has often operated in the extremes of conservatism (IU, ND) and aggression (MSU, Iowa).  Looking forward to seeing if the staff finds the right mix.

Number 7

October 25th, 2010 at 1:33 PM ^

Also deserving a -1 is the color guy. He sees Kovacs run himself into the fullback, and credits the fullback with having laid the brilliant block that made that TD happen.  Not that the fullback did a bad job, but it would really have been keen had the announcer notice the RT seal in the Mouton, the LB-contain.  Not many, if any, announcers have the imagination to see that the hard work was done by the Iowa line keeping the Michigan front 7 at bay, not necessarily in the fullback erasing out mini-blitzer.   (Contra Brian, I do think the RT deserves some credit.  He had Mouton going backwards, and only allowed Mouton to get out of that situation by fighting back to the inside -- i.e., where Iowa wants him to go.)

True Blue In Ohio

October 25th, 2010 at 1:35 PM ^

Cut them some slack!  Mouton has a bit of a lower leg injury.  He is not 100%.  Did you notice he has a wrap on his lower leg?  A mouton not 100% is better than any option off the bench.  I think the bye week will do wonders to heal a banged up team.

MightAndMainWeCheer

October 25th, 2010 at 1:43 PM ^

I am not entirely sure that Mouton has contain responsibility on this play.  He's lined up as an inside linebacker (we're running a 4-4 where the linebackers (Kovacs is basically a linebacker on this play) are aligned as if it is a 3-4).  Mouton is the weakside inside linebacker lined up in the 20 technique (head up on the guard). 

The contain guys are Banks and Kovacs; Mouton's job is to flow to the ball and clean up when the RB cuts it inside b/c Bank and Kovacs are keeping contain (which obviously didn't happen).

Mouton is seriously screwed on this play no matter what.  He can't count on Demens being there every time (however, Demens did make a very nice play to avoid the wash).  He is faced with a blocker and essentially two gaps to fill (each side of the blocker).  Had he taken the outside shoulder of the LT and the RB cut it up inside, this board would have been up in arms that he took the outside shoulder (especially if hypothetically Demens got caught up in the wash and wasn't there to fill).

Mouton's only play here is to hold up as long as he can with the blocker and wait for the RB to pick a hole.  Once the RB has picked a side, then he tries to disengage with the blocker to make a tackle (keep in mind that NFL LBs struggle to do this).  This play was going to be a big-gainer no matter what though; too many things went wrong.

caup

October 25th, 2010 at 2:48 PM ^

For Kovacs being "Mr. Beloved Gritty OMG Smart! Defender Guy" on this here website, am I the only guy who can't wait for someone who is actually, you know, GOOD to boot this walk-on back to the bench???

Marvin, I'm looking at you.

BlueTaiji

October 25th, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

On that play is the responsibility of Kovacs and Mouton.  Banks has no contain responsibility.  Kovacs is on a run blitz, but just plays himself out of position (too deep) and Mouton abandons his gap responsibility. 

Segesse starting that play on one knee after almost jumping off-sides was a lot of help, too.

MightAndMainWeCheer

October 27th, 2010 at 11:31 AM ^

How do you figure that Mouton and not Banks has contain?  Look at their pre-snap alignments.  Banks is head up on the LT.  Mouton is head up on the LG. 

Although Mouton is listed as the WLB on the depth chart, he is really an ILB on that particular play based on alignment; I have never heard of an ILB having contain on any play.  Their job is to flow to the ball and clean up on the RB when he cuts it up inside.

Banks has contain b/c he is the DE.  The only time the DE does not have contain is when he is slanting inside; Banks was not slanting inside on this play.  He attacked the LT head on and got handled which allowed the combo block with the LG.

gobluebilly

October 29th, 2010 at 10:14 PM ^

The DE and OLB get handled easily and the inside linebacker is crucified. Wow. The 4-4 scheme places the responsibility for contain on the inside linebacker lined up over the guard? Really? 

Mouton tries to do way too much on many plays. But primarily faulting Mouton here reminds me of criticism by Lions fans -- everything is Bacchus and Raiola's fault.