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Big Ten referees do get things right on occasion

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Brian

I addressed a couple of the Notre Dame officiating complaints after the game in yesterday's UV but didn't get around to the big one (other than what I'm pretty sure will be specious complaint about the holding call on Rudolph's screen touchdown, as I've seen a number of Michigan DL hogtied in the first half already). That would be the overturn of Armando Allen's screen touchdown, which was… you know… correct:

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Notre Dame fans are accusing Big Ten referees of bias because they did not call Allen out of bounds despite the fact he was, and they are complaining that the video review made a correct call. This may be the most very special instance of internet Notre Dame mentality ever.

The argument here relies on the idea that the review was "inconclusive" given the replays shown on the TV, but those things are not necessarily the same things the replay guy sees. If we are parsing the shadows and whatnot—some Notre Dame fans see that picture and suggest that Allen's heel is not out of bounds—then we're back to semantics. What is "voluntary"? What is "conclusive"? If I close my eyes, does the universe cease existing?

The call was correct. You are not allowed to complain about a referee getting something right. That's not how complaints work.

Comments

oakapple

September 15th, 2009 at 2:46 PM ^

Do you actually want an illegal touchdown? I mean, even if you believe the booth official had no basis for overruling the call on the field, is that the way you want to win? Just wondering.

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Irish

September 15th, 2009 at 3:10 PM ^

http://www.wndu.com/ndfootball/headlines/59263772.html
NewsCenter 16 has learned that officials of the Big East did not think the touchdown pass from Jimmy Clausen to Armando Allen in the first quarter of Saturday's game should have been overturned. The Big 10 officiating crew ruled that Allen did not step on the sideline but a request by Michigan to have the play reviewed resulted in no touchdown. ND settled fior a field goal in the 38-34 loss. Notre Dame uses Big East officials so that is why that conference reviews the video sent by the Irish football office for grading. It will be a Big 10 crew on Saturday when the 1-1 Irish host Michigan State
I am done now on this topic

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ShockFX

September 15th, 2009 at 3:21 PM ^

One member of the reffing crew did initially rule him OOB IIRC. Also, it's spectacular that after the fact, refs that weren't there are allowed to weigh in. Coolio. I also love all the direct implications that the refs cost ND 4 points, and, oh look, ND lost the game by 4 points. Totally ignoring that it was 7-0 in the 1Q at the time of the play. Come on man, you need to get over this. We like you, but I think you're running a crusade (LOLOLOL I'm Anti-Catholic!) in the wrong place. Oh, and note that the Big-East officials just said the call shouldn't have been overturned, NOTHING about whether or not it was the CORRECT call. Honestly, do you really want ND to win on a incorrect call because they thought it was right at the time? Be honest.

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bouje

September 15th, 2009 at 3:24 PM ^

That this would end poorly for you. I knew that the game would be close and that it would hinge on a few plays. That was one of them. Give it up. We won. There is NOTHING that you, Fat Charlie or ANYONE can do about it. As much as everyone here respects you, you are starting to lose that respect because of how you are acting. Man up.

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Seth

September 15th, 2009 at 4:03 PM ^

Read that again (emphasis mine)
Notre Dame uses Big East officials so that is why that conference reviews the video sent by the Irish football office for grading.
I get the feeling the Irish football office ... ahem ... left out the more damning tapes if you will. Michigan has had lots of non-Big Ten refs calling games in early season things and bowl games. I can't remember ever hearing of the Big Ten reviewing the tapes AND publicly questioning another conference's officiating crew. This seems kind of like out of bounds. Anyone think of any?

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Kyrie_Smith

September 15th, 2009 at 3:19 PM ^

Hello folks. I live 30 minutes from South Bend and my local NBC channel is WNDU. (The NDU part is Notre Dame Unviversity) They just won't let it go. Apparentlly officials from the Big East said that the touchdown should have counted and there wasn't conclusive video proof and blah blah balh blah. Here's the thing though... WNDU was at the game and they got a perfect HD shot of that dude stepping out of bounds with their own camers. So Notre Dame knows for sure the Big Ten guys got it right and their still crying about it. I so hate Notre Dame.

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S FL Wolverine

September 15th, 2009 at 8:14 PM ^

President of Exchange: Mortimer, your brother is not well. We better call an ambulance. Mortimer Duke: Fuck him! Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers [refs] back in here! Turn those machines back on! [shouts - it echoes pathetically throughout the trading hall] Mortimer Duke: Turn those machines back on!

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wiscwood

September 15th, 2009 at 8:17 PM ^

When in South Bend the "Ghosts of ND" show up and Michigan gets screwed (cheated). Not one peep from The Michigan Nation. The Big Ten Officials get all the calls right and there cheating? Sounds like a goldendomer propaganda for sure. ND is a good team, they can't conceptualize that Michigan could possibly beat them. Someone has to be the blame. So blame the officials! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!

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Feat of Clay

September 16th, 2009 at 10:30 AM ^

When I heard about this whole "Big East officials say..." I wondered, How usual is it for refs to go in and second-guess their colleagues' calls after the game? I mean, even if their colleagues are in another conference, they are still in the same beleaguered, underappreciated, thankless profession. I would think as a professional courtesy you just wouldn't go there. Do Big East refs want Big Ten refs pulling up tape on Sunday and slagging on every supposed mistake they made the day before?

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Ron Swanson

September 16th, 2009 at 2:36 PM ^

I thought I was gonna take the line at -11 for the Irish cuz I thought they were gonna crush Sparty. Now, they can't let this go and Dantonio might pull one out of his ass (or at least make it close) while Weis blubbers for weeks about this (or years if he's fired). MOVE ON, it's not like we spiked the ball with negative 2 seconds left on the clock.

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